ANGEL IS AXED!!!!!

[Mars-Chan]

Blughblbblblblblbhbh! *shakes her head*

Spike show would be a great idea. Everyone loves their little hottie vampire.

Who doesn't?

[Reznorite420]

Originally Posted by Mars

Blughblbblblblblbhbh! *shakes her head*

What the heck was that?

[Mars-Chan]

It was me waking up from fainting, dude!

[Taloniss]

Originally from James Marsters Forum, copied from another forum.

Quick Postcard Campaign to Save Angel

Unfortunately, emailing networks or posting in online petitions is a waste of time. As soon as they start getting emails, they set up spam filters to delete the mail and they don't ever see what comes in. Waiting around for somebody to organize something is wasting precious time--organized campaigns are going to be great but here's something you can do NOW.

If you want to actually do something that actually might--MIGHT--help to get another season for Angel...

DO THIS TOMORROW

1. Go and buy some postcards that show scenes from your city. Tourist postcards. Postcards that have the name of your town or city or area of the country on them. You don't need anything fancy, just something that will show immediately where you are located so they know this is coming from all over.

2. Write a short message on the postcard in your own words saying that you want Angel to be renewed and support the show. Keep it positive. Don't be insulting. Don't be abusive.

3. Address the postcard to one of the people on the list of addresses in this message. Levin may ignore the cards coming into the WB, but the media outlets will see there's a story in this and publicize it. The names on the list are in order of importance so start at the top and send as many postcards as you want to (or can afford to send).

4. Go and get at least six friends who probably aren't reading this on the internet but would be willing to send postcards, and get them to do the same thing.

5. DO IT TOMORROW! Speed of response is what counts along with the size of the response. Don't wait for instructions from some group. Just DO IT.

Here are the addresses to mail your cards to:

Matt Roush
TV Guide
Box 500
Radnor, PA 19088-0500

The Hollywood Reporter
Attn: Cynthia Littleton
5055 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90036-4396

Entertainment Tonight,
Paramount Pictures Domestic TV
Roddenberry Building
5555 Melrose Avenue
Hollywood, CA 90038

Extra
Warner Bros
4000 Warner Blvd.
Triangle Building, 4th Floor
Burbank, CA 91522

Entertainment Weekly
1675 Broadway New York
NY 10019


TNT is the best possibility to pick up Angel since they've gotten good ratings with the reruns and do some original programming.

Turner Network Television
Attn: Robert DeBitetto (pres, original programming)
1888 Century Park East, 14th Fl.
Los Angeles, CA 90067

Turner Network Television
Attn: Julie Wietz (exec vp. original programming)
1888 Century Park East, 14th Fl.
Los Angeles, CA 90067

Turner Network Television
Attn: Attn: Mr. Jamie Kellner, Chairman and CEO
1050 Techwood Dr. NW
Atlanta, GA 30318

Turner Network Television
Attn: Garth Ancier, Executive Vice-President, Programming
1050 Techwood Dr. NW
Atlanta, GA 30318


Rumor is that Levin doesn't accept cards or letters and they get returned, but a flood of mail might make news even if it doesn't get through

Warner Brothers Network
Attn: Jordan Levin, CEO
4000 Warner Blvd., Building 34R
Burbank, CA 91522
(81 977-5000

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And, if you want to send cards to Joss to express support and let him know the level of interest, here's where to send them:

Joss Whedon
C/o Mutant Enemy Productions
PO Box 900
Beverly Hills, CA 90213

And to send cards supporting the cast and crew:

Angel Productions
20th Century Fox
PO Box, 900
Beverly Hills
CA, 90213-0900


Now, if you actually want to accomplish something, make some news, and maybe, just maybe, get a sixth season for Angel...

DO THIS TOMORROW AND DON'T PUT IT OFF!

Also, permission is given to repost this message to other lists, message boards and other places that are interested in supporting Joss and Angel. Spread the word and let's do something quickly. Speed counts.

[Wes]

Oooh, it's my turn to play the bad guy!

I, for one, am glad that Angel's going off the air, and what's more, I hope it stays off. Here's why:

Buffy is my favorite live-action television series of all-time. Angel is a close second. But I definitely think that shows have a finite lifespan, and to keep dragging a show on that really needs to end can, in the end, harm the show and detract from its overall greatness. This happened with Buffy -- after the triumphant finale that was "The Gift" (the final episode of Season 5), the show returned on UPN with poor writing, stupid and decadent plots, and while I still watched out of love for what the show once was, Tuesday nights became torturous for me. I think I once described my "relationship" with Buffy in those last two years as being akin to a childhood friend whom I once respected but then started screwing everyone and came down with AIDS, and whom I visited in the sickbed out of friendship -- even though I was angry at my friend for having brought this upon him/herself, and even though seeing him/her in this state was painful for me. (Note: That didn't really happen to me, thankfully.)

I don't want to see Angel get to that. It hasn't yet, but I must admit that most of this season's episodes have been dreadful -- and I'm sure a lot of people will say, "Oooh, but there's Spike!" and while I like James Marsters (I'm not obsessive about him, and if I'm a "fan" I'm an honest one who will admit when he's not at his best -- for instance, his accent has been kind of sloppy as of late) I don't think he's helping the show much. (It was especially bad when he was a ghost, and I think part of the reason they dropped that line so abruptly was because it just wasn't working. But that's a cheap way out, though I've come to expect it from Angel's writers -- how many subplots from the previous season can you think of that have been entirely forgotten? I don't recall having seen any real resolution regarding Gunn's relationship with Fred, for example, and what happened with Gwen, hm?) None of the other characters are receiving much characterization as a result of the show's "focus" on Spike -- and while that may delight the rabid Spike fans (who cares about them) it upsets me that the other characters, with the exception of Angel (and at times, Harmony), have been demoted to little more than background scenery.

Angel used to be a very different show, and a much better one, and I think the writers have written themselves into a corner -- I don't see things getting better from here, so it's better that they try to pull together and write the show out on a triumphant note. I'm not sure if it's possible at this point, but even if it's not I'd rather see it end now than throw two additional seasons of dreck in my face.

And Smallville is one of the worst shows I've ever had the displeasure of watching -- it's even worse than Tru Calling.

[ZariusTwo]

The credibility of that post died the instant you said Smallville sucked, oh and Seasons Six and Seven of Buffy are classics.

Thank god true fans of Buffy and Angel know better.

[Mars-Chan]

The credibility of that post died the instant you said Smallville sucked, oh and Seasons Six and Seven of Buffy are classics.

Thank god true fans of Buffy and Angel know better.

*Snorts in sarcasam* Ain't THAT the gospel....

[Wes]

The credibility of that post died the instant you said Smallville sucked, oh and Seasons Six and Seven of Buffy are classics.

Thank god true fans of Buffy and Angel know better.

Ah, where to begin to reply?

The last part of that statement makes reference to "true fans" -- and it's quite common for those who believe themselves to be "true fans" to discount the criticisms of other people by claiming that those critics are not, in fact, "true fans." And if by a "true fan" here you mean someone who endlessly praises anything that's even remotely associated with Buffy, Angel, Joss, etc., then you're quite right -- I'm not a "true fan" of Buffy and Angel. However, I submit that a "true fan" would be willing to speak truly and rightly of the show -- and should endeavor to make honest criticisms -- even when the truth may not be so favorable.

Buffy, in Seasons 1-5, was very much a hero drama -- the characters slipped sometimes, but at the end of the day they still came across as admirable sorts, and the show very much seemed to hold virtue et al. in high regard. Not to mention the humor and wit that the writing displayed, and the quirky fantasy world of literal metaphor in which it dwelled. Season 6, on the other hand, abandoned all of that -- it became a really ugly show, the characters' actions became thoroughly repulsive, and it took the drama out of the realm of fantastic metaphor and down into the potholes of mundane concrete roads. Admittedly, this was the writers' -- and Joss's -- intention for the direction of the season, but I think that in doing so they abandoned the spirit of the show that made it so compelling a watch in the first place. And as far as it being a "classic", it's worth noting that even Sarah Michelle Gellar has voiced her dissatisfaction with the character of the sixth season.

I think they tried to regain the focus in Season 7, but the writing and story were so poor that their intentions were all but mitigated.

Regarding Smallville, I could probably write a lot more about this, but suffice it to say that it's a show that's basically one attempt to make the reader say "OMG!" after another. It's really manipulative, but not in a clever way -- such that it requires you to not pay attention to it, and to not really care what you're watching, in order to enjoy it. It's a show that does its absolute best to condescend to the basest kind of viewer (no offense ) -- during the few episodes I watched, I was either yawning or twisting in agony because this was so painfully obvious. It's a show that insults the intelligence of the viewer with just about every twist, development, and spoken line (cf. Buffy Season 7). I hate that.

Also, the guy who plays Clark was obviously chosen for his eyes, as opposed to his (nonexistent) acting ability.

[Halfshell]

Never home to watch it

[Karpo_007]

I agree that season 6 wasn't very good before the final 4 episodes, but Season 7 was great.

About the bad news... I think season 5 has been great so far, and I hope some othe network would pick it up, but I don't know how realistic that is. Whoever has the show has to pay heavy licensing fees to FOX.

[Wes]

Karpo: Glad for some agreement, anyway, and at least you didn't make reference to "true fans" or anything. You know, I thought a bit more about that, and given the meaning of "fanatic", perhaps "true fan" is an oxymoron.

For my part, comparing my two least favorite seasons of Buffy, I'd say that 6 is, in terms of the story, better than 7 -- because at least 6 made sense (mostly), despite the repulsive character of it. Season 7 was overall better in spirit, but the story was awful and really badly written. Particular dumb things that come to mind -- Buffy laying back on a gravemarker and allowing a vampire to psychoanalize her, the random sword-in-stone development in the final eps, and -- my personal favorite instance of Season 7 stupidity -- the attempt to record The First with by putting a wire on Andrew.

Season 7 was chock-full of crap like that, but, moreover, there were deeper issues with the story itself -- which I think are bound to arise when you pit your heroes against some ultimate enemy like The First. At least with the other villains, their blunders made sense, given that they all had a very human side to them, but something absolute like The First Evil should not be so easily thwarted, should it decide to take such an overtly active role in the conflict. Not only do I have a hard time seeing something like The First making mistakes and displaying genuine anger; I have a hard time even seeing it in that active role. That's part of what I liked about the first appearance of The First in Season 3 -- it was just plain manipulative and really didn't seem to care one way or the other about the outcome, because it was that bad. Cf. Holland's speech to Angel in "Reprise" -- "For us, there is no fight." The most haunting foes are the listless ones. But I don't think that the writers were thinking that seriously about the nature of true evil (if that's not an oxymoron), so they were bound to come up short when they made The First their chief villain for the season.

But then I don't think that many other people think about the subject that seriously either -- which could explain, in part, why Season 7 has been fairly well-received among the public (as far as I know).

I mean no offense to anyone here or elsewhere, of course, except possibly the writers for not thoroughly studying their subject.

[Karpo_007]

Everyone has their opinions, if you don't like something it doesn't make you any less a "true fan".

Those points about season 7 didn't bother me, and what is good writing is subjective. But I do think the show should have ended with season 5, "The Gift" would have been a perfect ending.

I don't feel that way about Angel though, I do think there is many stories to be told yet, and so does Wheddon. It would be a shame if the last Wheddon show would get cancelled like this... But atleast they have time to make a good ending for it.