Season 4 Discussion Thread

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by Cartoon Fanboy

I think we might get a 2 week hiatus due to this Mutation Madness promo that I found on YouTube.

By the way, the promo only reuses scenes from both The Super Shredder and Darkest Plight.

I'm not sure if they will be repeats, but supposedly the promo said new episodes.

In other words, yes, tune in after Thanksgiving vacation weekend.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L9TDIJ85i0

Also, if Zap2It has the episode description of the Turtles fighting new enemies, that's the basic description for the show on the site, not a new episode. I've seen it before.

They never air repeats on Nick only on Nicktoons and the promo did say new episodes in 2 weeks, they wouldn't have put that up if they are airing repeats. hopefully we get 3 or 4 episodes in one go.

I guess Zap2it will update in a few days

[Redworld96]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L9TDIJ85i0

Also, if Zap2It has the episode description of the Turtles fighting new enemies, that's the basic description for the show on the site, not a new episode. I've seen it before.

Mutation Madness ... that pretty sounds like a title for a event of new episodes

I hope it wont be just a marathon with certain olds episodes involving mutations

[Vicky82]

I want to point out there are scenes from this trailer that haven't been seen yet.



There wasn't any scenes in the trailer that are from The Power Inside Her.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Mutation Madness ... that pretty sounds like a title for a event of new episodes

I hope it wont be just a marathon with certain olds episodes involving mutations

The logline they give sounds like the plot of Rise of the Turtles. The Turtles leave their hidden sewer lair and face a new enemy.

The Nick.com site current has the entire first season unlocked for viewership.

Perhaps there is something being planned, but Zap2it doesn't have full details yet.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

The logline they give sounds like the plot of Rise of the Turtles. The Turtles leave their hidden sewer lair and face a new enemy.

The Nick.com site current has the entire first season unlocked for viewership.

Perhaps there is something being planned, but Zap2it doesn't have full details yet.

They normally put that Rise of the Turtles description up if it doesn't have a title but they do change it in a couple of days.

I wonder if it's too spoilerish to have the title and description up yet.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Simpsons literally has 600 episodes. Obviously no show should last that long.

150 episodes on the other hand is a decent length.

Oh people started to say the Simpsons was going downhill more than fifteen years ago, what's so fascinating is that it somehow keeps getting worse.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Oh people started to say the Simpsons was going downhill more than fifteen years ago, what's so fascinating is that it somehow keeps getting worse.

The original decline of Simpsons started around Season 10. Some say Season 9.

[MarsicornYT]

New episode title on wikepedia. Most likely fake, take it with a grain of salt I guess.

S4 E23 "The Revenge of The Super Shredder"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ries)_episodes

[CyberCubed]

Its not an unbelieveable title.

[MarsicornYT]

The title was just taken off, so I guess it was fake. But yeah it sounded like it could be real as Shredder was defeated... kind of, and could come back for revenge.

[Vegita-San]

as many problems as i have with this show. continuity issues, forgetfullness, plots popping up with no setup....characterization issues..


I feel season 4 has been the most i've ever enjoyed this show. Season 3 was forgettable. Season 2 was kind of meh. Season 1 was a nice setup for everything.

but forwhatever reason, i've liked 4 best so far.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

as many problems as i have with this show. continuity issues, forgetfullness, plots popping up with no setup....characterization issues..

There aren't any continuity issues, forgetfullness, or plots popping up with no setup at all....so I don't know where you're getting this from.

The only thing I'll agree with you is there are some characterisation issues with the Turtles going through the same development over and over, but that can't be helped since they do the same thing in every series.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There aren't any continuity issues, forgetfullness, or plots popping up with no setup at all....so I don't know where you're getting this from.

...

Cyber, give it up! This show has had quite a number of continuity problems. Here's some just off the top of my head, I'm sure I'll remember some more:

1) Now I think "Slash and Destroy" is perhaps the best episode of this series and I personally don't think much of it myself, but as others have mentioned, it's hard to accept the little girl going from thinking that the mutagen canister is a sort of lava lamp to a tea canister.
Speaking of which, this may be a more personal observation, but I thought it was a terrible instance of continuity in which Raph forgets what he learned just one episode ago as he's even worse off in "The Good, the Bad, and Casey Jones." I really thought that the episode was shown out of order.
2) Shredder's henchmen believe his claims that Splinter has been the cause of everything bad between them yet he admits the truth to Karai in front of Tiger Claw and it changes nothing amongst him or the rest of the henchmen (Rahzar was even under that same delusion in "Super Shredder")! Uh oh.
3) Slash shakes Newtralizer's hand in agreement in "Newtralized" but when Leo offers it to Sal, it's seen as an act of combat declaration. Bad job.
4) This is more or less a matter of plot convenience but it still has to be mentioned how some characters go from strong to feeble and how matchups sometimes flip flop in this series. Perhaps the biggest (and there are many other examples) is how strong and imposing Slash came off in his debut episode and after that he has hardly beat anybody since. Had to be mentioned.
5) Everyone (mainly victory angel here) thought that that disturbing opening of "Attack of the Mega Shredder" involving Karai and Shredder would come into play when we got back to Earth in S4. It meant absolutely nothing. Bad job.
6) The Kraang suddenly reappear on Earth without build up or explanation in "Dinosaur in the Sewers". Bad job!
7) This is a two part thing. "Within the Woods" made the claim that Leo had been out for three months. And yet within that span of time, or even in the episodes following “Within the Woods” as well, the invasion doesn't reach them at all.
Second part is that Honeycutt brought them six months into the past in “Beyond the Known Universe”. Yet the '87 turtles run into Tiger Claw (ala the end of “Wormquake" and that particular episode—“Transdimensional Turtles) in that particular time frame. You’re telling me that the span between "Wormquake" and "Beyond the Known Universe" was six months?! Nuh-uh! That's a bad job!
8. It's established in "Tale of the Yokai" that history can't be changed and yet Auman breaks that rule with "Earth's Last Stand". Some have made the claim that it was more or less creating a new reality rather than an altered timeline--something which the Justice League played with in the span of the episodes "A Better World" up to the episode "Divided We Fall". However, there was no indication of that, so as far as the eye can see, Auman broke his own rules indeed.
9) Speaking of "Earth's Last Stand", this is another two-parter. In the beginning of "The Invasion I", the Shredder and Tiger Claw have this little exchange:
TC: They (the Kraang) will betray you. You know this. They care nothing for the human race.
Shredder: Nor do I.
Now "Annihilation: Earth" was able to bring that line back into play when Shredder ended up preventing us and our world from being saved. So that's a good job of continuity. However, in "Earth's Last Stand”, Tiger Claw both failed to see what really occurred between Splinter and Shredder (you know, unlike everyone including him was able to in AE), nor was he either able to apply the above exchange between him and Shredder to his thought process; so that's a bad job.
10) In "Darkest Plight", they flashback to the algae cake moment in "Rise of the Turtles" but they have Seth Green's voice instead of Jason's.
11) Not to mention that in Tiger Claw’s introductory episode, he mentioned how the rival who cut off his tail was a “he” and yet Alopex (who is responsible) is a she! This is a terrible job!

[Redworld96]

Mystery resolved. Hello hiatus my old friend:

https://twitter.com/TMNTMaster/statu...31910238371840

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Mistery resolved. Hello hiatus my old friend:

https://twitter.com/TMNTMaster/statu...31910238371840

http://115.imagebam.com/download/lqO...-21_222812.png

Thanks Redworld, glad we got the confirmation that it is repeats.

[TMNTInsighter]

This nikola dunderhead was asking if the season finale aired two weeks from now. The guy clearly didn't know what he was talking about since the season finale is 3 episodes away from the next one. Not to mention that TMNTMaster's response did not help clear up the confusion.
So, while we will be getting a new episode on December 4, it'll be December 18 (if they'll air the final two episodes back to back) when we get the season finale. I hope we do since finishing a season within a span of three years is not acceptable--remember S4 started in October 2015, so to have it finish in 2017 is a disaster!

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

This nikola dunderhead was asking if the season finale aired two weeks from now. The guy clearly didn't know what he was talking about since the season finale is 3 episodes away from the next one. Not to mention that TMNTMaster's response did not help clear up the confusion.
So, while we will be getting a new episode on December 4, it'll be December 18 (if they'll air the final two episodes back to back) when we get the season finale. I hope we do since finishing a season within a span of three years is not acceptable--remember S4 started in October 2015, so to have it finish in 2017 is a disaster!

Technically season 4 has lasted 13 months possibly heading to 14 or 15 months, but it is still bad though.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

This nikola dunderhead was asking if the season finale aired two weeks from now. The guy clearly didn't know what he was talking about since the season finale is 3 episodes away from the next one. Not to mention that TMNTMaster's response did not help clear up the confusion.
So, while we will be getting a new episode on December 4, it'll be December 18 (if they'll air the final two episodes back to back) when we get the season finale. I hope we do since finishing a season within a span of three years is not acceptable--remember S4 started in October 2015, so to have it finish in 2017 is a disaster!

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Technically season 4 has lasted 13 months possibly heading to 14 or 15 months, but it is still bad though.

What I meant to say was that episode 23 of this season airs on December 4 when we come back from Thanksgiving vacation (not the season finale as nikola ill-advisedly asked). 24 will hopefully air on the 11th. Since many would consider it unfair to air a new episode while they're on Christmas vacation (possibly traveling still), it would make a lot of sense to air the final two episodes, two parter or not, on the 18th--unless they'll air 23 and 24 or 24 & 25 back to back on the 4th or 11th. Whichever!
As for the "13-15 month" thing, I don't care about technicalities! S4 started in 2015. Like any other fall series, it's supposed to finish in 2016! The fact it hasn't by now is not acceptable! The fact it may carry over into 2017 (that's three years: '15, '16, and '17) would be an absolute disaster! Season 5 being the last season would appear to be very welcoming after something like that! Someone at Nickelodeon has got to do something about this!!

[victory_angel]

Yet the '87 turtles run into Tiger Claw (ala the end of “Wormquake" and that particular episode—“Transdimensional Turtles) in that particular time frame.

I explained this before, but this is a bootstrap paradox.


Take Gargoyles for example, there was supposed to be a spin-off series that centered around Brooklyn where he is abducted by the spirit of the phoenix gate and he is sent on a forty year journey across time and any moments in the series that felt too convenient such as the Grimorum landing in Xanatos's possession, were because he arranged them to be that way.

During this whole journey, Brooklyn appears in Ishimura Japan three times.

His first arrival in Japan is his second appearance there.

His second arrival is his first appearance.

And his third arrival is his third appearance.

We know there is a time differential between dimensions and that each of the dimensions is a world that has to do with the Turtles Lore.


Look at it this way starting with the end of Worm Quake.

Donnie has just sent the Kraang and the Kraathatrogon back to what he assumes is dimension x. One of them unknown to him carrying Tiger Claw.

A week or so later Tiger Claw returns to the Nick Turtles Dimension.

At least 1 1/2 months following this the second invasion takes place.

The Turtles are at the farm house for at least six months before they return to New York.

A week before they return to New York the Turtles have their vision quest. This is arguably when the season 4 Turtles arrive back in time so they can begin their six month journey.

About 3 months afterwards, the Turtles are looking for Karai. Renet appears and the Turtles follow her through time to help her defeat Romero.

This would also likely be the point in time where the Season 4 Turtles appear because Splinter does comment to them that they had been on patrol. And it is doubtful that the events of Transdimensional Turtles the season 3 Turtles notice.

And thus arguably the point in time where the Worm containing Tiger Claw in its belly actually appears in the OT dimension.

So by making his way across the other dimensions to return to the Nick Turtles Dimension, Tiger Claw actually goes back in time and arrives back months before he appears in the OT universe.