Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

And Superman isn't a killer, he's not going to murder Batman, he's going to hold back so he doesn't seriously injure him and that's when Batman will use whatever it is he will use to get on equal ground w/ Superman.

And yes there is logic to Batman beating Superman, when Kal-El is in or around Kryptonian atmosphere he becomes just a normal person. We don't know what will happen, but I mean if you read the comic you know what Bruce does. In order for it to be a fair fight Bruce has to use kryptonite.

Okay? Don't really care about that.

All I'm saying is that the whole 'Batman is so badass and can beat everyone in the world' thing is overdone and I hope it's not done here.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

No one's gonna win.

DC doesn't want to upset the Batman fans by having Superman win, and they aren't going to be able to make a normal guy beating Superman convincing enough for their "realistic" movie. It's just going to be a bunch of punches until Wonder Woman or somebody tells them to stop being morons. (Why wasn't she in the teaser?)

Just like Thor vs. Iron Man in The Avengers.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Nobody wins. They'll fight, it'll be a draw, then Aquaman and Wonder Woman will show up and they'll all team up to fight the common bad -- apparently a Lex Luthor-made Doomsday out of Zod's body (if the rumors are true). Or something somesuch.

But c'mon. You should know what to expect at this point.

I hope it's not a Luthor built Doomsday, because Doomsday was just another Alien who shows up to destroy worlds. If it's a Luthor constructed villain it would probably be Metallo who is a cyborg with Kryptonite in his body. This would also make the "Tell me....Do you bleed? You will" robot voice make sense.

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Okay? Don't really care about that.

All I'm saying is that the whole 'Batman is so badass and can beat everyone in the world' thing is overdone and I hope it's not done here.

Yeah, he's supposed to be the worlds greatest detective, not a super badass...the reason why everyone always says Batman would beat Superman is because he has the finances and the detective skills to find Superman's weakness. That's why Batman usually wins. I personally never saw him as the ultimate badass, so sounds like it's maybe your perception of him.

[ZariusTwo]

I was bored

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I was bored

Nice vid, Zarius.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Nice vid, Zarius.

Thanks very much

[Leo656]

I'm throwing my money in for some kind of draw. But I'm already sold to the point where, as long as the story is good, I can accept whatever that story is. Like, I absolutely hated how he killed Zod at the end of MoS, but now seeing where they're taking the story, I'm fine with it, and in fact it may prove necessary in the grand scheme of things.

I had a couple reservations before seeing anything concrete, but now I'm pretty sure that whatever they're doing, they'll be able to put it over. I'm pretty happy so far.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I was bored

Very funny.

I have faith in the writers and Snyder. I love MoS, I was fine with him killing Zod because I felt it was necessary. I understood the destruction because it was Superman's first major battle, he's a rookie, he's going to make mistakes.

Snyder had to do a bunch of interviews after MoS came out, basically defending his movie and the path Supes takes, and he pretty much laid it out there that, the 2nd movie will show the consequences of MoS. That MoS was really the launching pad for the DC Universe to really take off. They needed all of that mayhem and destruction so that more DC Characters will come out in the open. And Batman never trusts Superman, he and Superman have to battle it out, the winner won't matter as long as Batman and Superman get on the same page for Justice League. There will always be evil forces out there that are a bigger threat than Superman is to earth, but Batman will always be waiting in case Superman turns evil.

[ZariusTwo]

Somebody on another forum suggested the trailer should have ended with the "false god" reveal. Anyone agree?

[Leo656]

Nah, I think it was better this way. Showing just how mistrustful some people are of Superman early in the trailer gives a quick explanation as to why he would be at odds with Batman later on. For the sake of using the trailer to quickly put over the basic gist of the story, what they did was perfect.

I actually can't imagine it looking anything but sh*tty if they did it the other way. "OMG! A shock image taken out of context! I so want to see this!" Eh. That seems weak. I think they put everything right where it belonged, honestly.

Supposedly there will still be a little bit more to see when the trailer is "officially" officially released in a few days. This is gonna be a long year.

[NinjaPug]

Why does Batman have a sniper rifle?

[Leo656]

In TDKR comic he used something similar that fired a a grappling hook, could be something like that.

[Krutch]

There's nothing i've read rumour or factual that makes me want to see this movie. The only thing it has going for it is its the first live action Batman and Superman pairing. The story, tone, and cinematography from everything I've seen just looks devoid of all fun. I'm all for mature stories, but this just looks like a headache to sit through.

[Leo656]

I don't see what's not "fun" about it. The story seems intriguing and thought-out and quite different from most super-hero movies. A ton of stuff straight from the comics for a change has me pretty excited. I think it's a good counter-balance to the typical Marvel popcorn fare. Those movies are good, too, but there's plenty of room for something different and more "grounded". I dig what they're doing, I'unno.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I like having an alternative to the "fun" marvel movies. As an adult, I feel like there are less and less movies aimed toward us, and even though this will be PG-13, it's going to be very adult. Like Leo said, what Marvel is doing isn't bad, it's just nice to have an adult oriented alternative.

Deadpool is going to be great, but as of right now the best thing Marvel has done is Daredevil on Netflix, an adult/realistic approach to a superhero.

[Leo656]

I was very outspoken when MoS came out that I didn't love the tone and wished it was more "upbeat" and more "classic Superman", and I still think that could have worked, BUT, knowing what I know now and seeing where it's going, I can't really argue with the path they've decided to take. Some people come up to me and they're like, "I thought it was too sci-fi; I didn't like that they made it an alien invasion movie". I'm like... it's Superman, it's a sci-fi alien invasion story. Films generally haven't ever used this angle, or played up the public's mistrust of aliens, etc. (although "Lois & Clark" did, oddly enough), but it makes sense for them to do so. Point of fact, it's entirely true to life. The way society is reacting to Superman in these films is the way people would react in real life if someone like that suddenly showed up. It's always kind of puzzled me how traditionally, the entire world embraces Superman as soon as they see he can fly. That's not at all how people are. There would be all this suspicion and mistrust at first, until he consistently proved himself, and that's really interesting to me. I really like the idea that in this universe pretty much all the heroes have to earn their place in the hearts and minds of society. You know they will; I find the amount of storytelling potential in the journey really, really fun and different.

Not to mention, in the original comics Superman was considered an outlaw and a vigilante for a good long while, and the police and government officials were constantly after him, considering him a dangerous menace. It wasn't until WWII and the character became a propaganda machine for U.S. idealism that he really became the "boy scout" version of the character, draped in the American flag, waving to police officers and all that. This movie is simply continuing from MoS in adapting and updating material from the actual comic books, something they've never done in any Superman movies before, and that is also really great to me.

I really like the other Superman movies, but even when I was a little kid, I'm like, "Why don't they just do the books?" And now they are, at least in all the important parts, and I really like that. I'm also super-intrigued to see how Flash, Green Lantern, etc. eventually fit into this universe, both visually and personality-wise. And Shazam/Captain Marvel eventually, as well. I'unno, I'm really loving this so far.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

(although "Lois & Clark" did, oddly enough).

Lord Nor>General Zod.

[Leo656]

I more specifically meant Jason Trask and Bureau 39, though, but yeah. Those were some of my favorite episodes of Season 1 and probably the entire series. "The Green, Green Glow of Home" might be the best episode in the entire show, and he doesn't even have powers for most of it.

But yeah, that whole angle with people not trusting Superman, and there being an entire government agency based on studying and eventually stopping him. It pops up in the books a ton, too. But never the movies, for some reason. He always kinda gets embraced too quickly in the movies. Even in III, after he gets all drunk and loony, everybody just shrugs and says "Ah well" after all the horrible stuff he did under the influence of synthetic Kryptonite. Nobody stops and says, "Huh... maybe this guy's sort of a little out of control, someone should keep an eye on him." Or in IV, he just up and decides to wipe out everyone's nukes, and everyone just lets him do it because he's Superman. That'd neeeever happen.

EDIT: Curious what people think about the soldiers with the S shield emblems. Are they part of a group set up by the government to work with Superman, as part of his attempts to earn their trust? A task force ultimately designed to eventually take him out? He doesn't seem all that comfortable with them. I'm curious what some people are guessing it could be.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

He definitely does not look pleased to have them there...or at the very least kneeling before him... I would think it's the government having a Superman Task force, maybe to make arrests on his behalf or something like that. I think there will be a split in the government in regards to trusting him or not. There is that shot of him in front of a crowd of people reaching out to him, it looks like an event of some sort, and again he does not look pleased. He was very humble in MoS, so I can see him continuing that until Batman challenges him, and I bet we see some anger, and maybe resentment pour out of him.

[Autbot_Benz]

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