Star Wars: Episode IX - Page 26

*snake* · 03-05-2019, 12:41 AM

I feel the most for Hamill out of everyone. He's such a nice guy that he's repeatedly retracted negative comments in an attempt to damage control, but you can tell he's still hurt as a fan.

I'm more or less over the entire franchise. All of the "what-ifs" and "what-could-have-beens" hack away at any saving grace the sequel trilogy may have had in the first place. In the end, I'm just burned out and bummed out. Star Wars was such an integral part of my childhood that I thought could never steer me in the wrong direction. I grew up in the "movieless" era from 2007-2012 too, but funnily enough, that's when the franchise was at it's peak. The Clone Wars was airing and drawing in new fans such as myself, the toys were being made at a high quality and rapid pace, and the movies themselves were being solidified as all-time-classics, even the prequels- regardless of how you feel about them- were becoming iconic.

Everything really did change when Disney bought the franchise in 2012. I wish I could go back.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-05-2019, 01:20 AM

Hate to say it... but as much crap as I talked about TFA... there were ways to springboard off of that into better stuff. 8 was the make or break it point. There's never been a trilogy in history that has been "saved" by the last installment.

Which, if JJ somehow is able to do that... wow. I will give credit where it is due. But... yeesh.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 03-05-2019, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Hate to say it... but as much crap as I talked about TFA... there were ways to springboard off of that into better stuff. 8 was the make or break it point. There's never been a trilogy in history that has been "saved" by the last installment.

Which, if JJ somehow is able to do that... wow. I will give credit where it is due. But... yeesh.

completely agreed.

As much as I thought that 7 had the wrong story, it was a fun enough movie and the new characters where not that bad.

8 destroyed all that.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-05-2019, 12:18 PM

Not superbig fan of Star Wars, but a big fan of good movies and particularly good space movies. There are not much movies like this and I really hoped that SW could feel the void, but Disney wasted it, replacing (some semblance of) originality with commercial hollowed repetition and pandering to the Internet mobs.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-05-2019, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Hate to say it... but as much crap as I talked about TFA... there were ways to springboard off of that into better stuff. 8 was the make or break it point. There's never been a trilogy in history that has been "saved" by the last installment.

Which, if JJ somehow is able to do that... wow. I will give credit where it is due. But... yeesh.

Episode 7 wasn't good, but it had good potential for future movies and character development.

Then somebody decided to let Rian Johnson off the chain and... whoo boy. WHOO BOY.

Back to the Future, Star Wars (either Episodes I-III or Episodes IV-VI), Dark Knight, Raimi's Spiderman, Indiana Jones, X-Men (original or DOFP), Terminator, Alien...

Historically, you start off decent, your sequel is a huge smash, and your trilogy conclusion isn't as good. Can't think of a single trilogy where a decent movie is followed by a terrible movie and is then followed by a good movie.

Once you're off the rails, it's all downhill until the reboot.

*sdp* · 03-05-2019, 10:06 PM

Episode 7 was a rehash that crapped on the originals, it would've needed a lot of work to fix that. I don't think 8 was THAT bad, it was bad but what made it worse is that it cemented the horrible take that Ep.7 established of empire v rebels and now there's no real going back. The only point in 8 I felt excited for the direction of the franchise was when Kylo told Rey, "Forget the past", no empire, no rebels it was finally something new even if the rest of the movie had been trash, but then they go "LOL JK, I'm bad you're good".

I'll watch 9 to see how it ends but I'm not expecting to like it or for JJ to fix anything, I just want to know how they finish this franchise killing trilogy. I'll talk what I think of the trailer and I'll post my complains after watching the movie but yeah that's about it. I'm over Star Wars, I think I'll still get nostalgic for the OT, maybe some prequel stuff, will check out some SWs stuff from time to time but I don't really consider myself a fan, more of a "I loved it before Disney but now I don't like it that much". I'll also try not to sound too much of a broken record, I'm sure I posted a variant of this information in this same thread a few more times, it's the HUGE star wars fan inside me that died that makes me comment when knowing it's over, like stalking an ex's instagram after they break up with you.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-05-2019, 11:06 PM

If it was me, and 7 remained 7 but we're gearing up for 8:

8 should've been... the New Republic stops dicking around and marshals their fleet, letting the "Resistance" drop the veil of anonymity/plausible deniability and just rejoin the New Republic armed forces proper. Make it, like, the opposite of TESB... with the good guys/the sleeping giant awakened, chasing the First Order down like dogs. Then while Rey is getting her training and such with Luke, we begin to get the sense that... maybe the New Republic isn't so great, either, and Kylo is able to pull a coup and take over the First Order while Snoke escapes or something. At the end, have Rey go full evil! Hell, maybe she even kills or badly wounds Luke -- but in a proper fight!

Then Episode 9: Kylo trying to redeem Rey, the First Order fighting the New Republic full-on (WAR!). Lots of big family drama, reveal Rey is Luke's kid with a woman who kept it secret from him (who we then meet). Kylo talks sense to Rey, they both take on Snoke and win (alternately, if Luke is still around, big battle with Luke vs. Snoke). At the end, big peace treaty between New Republic and First Order... maybe they even coalesce into one new thing. Big John Williams music at end with Leia and the First Order reps signing documents and everyone cheering. Have Rey kiss Finn, f*** it.

Also... hint something about alien scouts being spotted throughout various sectors... but it being relegated to mere rumor. Something to stew the pot for X in 10 years.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-27-2019, 11:14 AM

Poster revealed. Knights of Ren are in it. And that's probably Keri Russell's character (that will likely be Rey's mom).

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...d-more-a167428

*ZariusTwo* · 03-27-2019, 11:26 AM

First Order Part Two: RamPO

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-27-2019, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Poster revealed. Knights of Ren are in it. And that's probably Keri Russell's character (that will likely be Rey's mom).

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...LTneB4ez9X5r90

RED stormtroopers?

Fvcking brilliant.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-27-2019, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If it was me, and 7 remained 7 but we're gearing up for 8:

8 should've been... the New Republic stops dicking around and marshals their fleet, letting the "Resistance" drop the veil of anonymity/plausible deniability and just rejoin the New Republic armed forces proper. Make it, like, the opposite of TESB... with the good guys/the sleeping giant awakened, chasing the First Order down like dogs. Then while Rey is getting her training and such with Luke, we begin to get the sense that... maybe the New Republic isn't so great, either, and Kylo is able to pull a coup and take over the First Order while Snoke escapes or something. At the end, have Rey go full evil! Hell, maybe she even kills or badly wounds Luke -- but in a proper fight!

Then Episode 9: Kylo trying to redeem Rey, the First Order fighting the New Republic full-on (WAR!). Lots of big family drama, reveal Rey is Luke's kid with a woman who kept it secret from him (who we then meet). Kylo talks sense to Rey, they both take on Snoke and win (alternately, if Luke is still around, big battle with Luke vs. Snoke). At the end, big peace treaty between New Republic and First Order... maybe they even coalesce into one new thing. Big John Williams music at end with Leia and the First Order reps signing documents and everyone cheering. Have Rey kiss Finn, f*** it.

Also... hint something about alien scouts being spotted throughout various sectors... but it being relegated to mere rumor. Something to stew the pot for X in 10 years.

Sounds like a movie worth watching!

*Andrew NDB* · 03-27-2019, 11:38 AM

Disney pulled it! It's gone already.

Also, some character sheets. I wonder why no Rose Tico?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...stumes-a167427

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-27-2019, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Disney pulled it! It's gone already.

Also, some character sheets. I wonder why no Rose Tico?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...stumes-a167427

She is a strong and powerful character. Can't wait for her TV series.

Rose and the Power of Love: A Star Wars Story

~~Leo656~~ · 03-27-2019, 11:55 AM

I really hope her character died off-screen. What a wasted roster spot.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-27-2019, 12:14 PM

A very "important" character whose actress courageously fought mobs on Instagram about. Because of her we can have similarly "important" conversations about race!

~~Leo656~~ · 03-27-2019, 12:18 PM

And whose action figure has the distinguishing "achievement" of clogging up more pegs than any other in all of Star Wars history!

Seriously. More kids bought f*cking Jar Jar. Think about that.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-27-2019, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

And whose action figure has the distinguishing "achievement" of clogging up more pegs than any other in all of Star Wars history!

Seriously. More kids bought f*cking Jar Jar. Think about that.

I'd actually love to see real numbers on that.

X number of Rose Tico action figure sales.
Y number of Jar Jar Binks action figure sales.
Z number of, I dunno, Wicket the Ewok action figure sales.

That'd be very, very interesting.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-27-2019, 12:35 PM

Everybody loves Wicket, man. Y'all trippin'.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-27-2019, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

Everybody loves Wicket, man. Y'all trippin'.

The entire Ewok race deserved to be fed into the Death Star trash compactor.

You really need to lay off the LSD if you like Ewoks, mano.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-27-2019, 12:47 PM

They're fine. I've never understood why people got so bent about that.

That's another thing I went my whole life never hearing anyone complain about, until The Internet, and now EVERYONE hates Ewoks and always has.

03-05-2019, 01:20 AM	#502
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,568	Hate to say it... but as much crap as I talked about TFA... there were ways to springboard off of that into better stuff. 8 was the make or break it point. There's never been a trilogy in history that has been "saved" by the last installment. Which, if JJ somehow is able to do that... wow. I will give credit where it is due. But... yeesh. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-05-2019, 10:06 PM	#506
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Episode 7 was a rehash that crapped on the originals, it would've needed a lot of work to fix that. I don't think 8 was THAT bad, it was bad but what made it worse is that it cemented the horrible take that Ep.7 established of empire v rebels and now there's no real going back. The only point in 8 I felt excited for the direction of the franchise was when Kylo told Rey, "Forget the past", no empire, no rebels it was finally something new even if the rest of the movie had been trash, but then they go "LOL JK, I'm bad you're good". I'll watch 9 to see how it ends but I'm not expecting to like it or for JJ to fix anything, I just want to know how they finish this franchise killing trilogy. I'll talk what I think of the trailer and I'll post my complains after watching the movie but yeah that's about it. I'm over Star Wars, I think I'll still get nostalgic for the OT, maybe some prequel stuff, will check out some SWs stuff from time to time but I don't really consider myself a fan, more of a "I loved it before Disney but now I don't like it that much". I'll also try not to sound too much of a broken record, I'm sure I posted a variant of this information in this same thread a few more times, it's the HUGE star wars fan inside me that died that makes me comment when knowing it's over, like stalking an ex's instagram after they break up with you. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

03-05-2019, 11:06 PM	#507
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,568	If it was me, and 7 remained 7 but we're gearing up for 8: 8 should've been... the New Republic stops dicking around and marshals their fleet, letting the "Resistance" drop the veil of anonymity/plausible deniability and just rejoin the New Republic armed forces proper. Make it, like, the opposite of TESB... with the good guys/the sleeping giant awakened, chasing the First Order down like dogs. Then while Rey is getting her training and such with Luke, we begin to get the sense that... maybe the New Republic isn't so great, either, and Kylo is able to pull a coup and take over the First Order while Snoke escapes or something. At the end, have Rey go full evil! Hell, maybe she even kills or badly wounds Luke -- but in a proper fight! Then Episode 9: Kylo trying to redeem Rey, the First Order fighting the New Republic full-on (WAR!). Lots of big family drama, reveal Rey is Luke's kid with a woman who kept it secret from him (who we then meet). Kylo talks sense to Rey, they both take on Snoke and win (alternately, if Luke is still around, big battle with Luke vs. Snoke). At the end, big peace treaty between New Republic and First Order... maybe they even coalesce into one new thing. Big John Williams music at end with Leia and the First Order reps signing documents and everyone cheering. Have Rey kiss Finn, f*** it. Also... hint something about alien scouts being spotted throughout various sectors... but it being relegated to mere rumor. Something to stew the pot for X in 10 years. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-27-2019, 11:14 AM	#508
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,568	Poster revealed. Knights of Ren are in it. And that's probably Keri Russell's character (that will likely be Rey's mom). https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...d-more-a167428 __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 03-27-2019 at 11:38 AM.

03-27-2019, 11:26 AM	#509
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	First Order Part Two: RamPO __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

03-05-2019, 12:41 AM	#501
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	I feel the most for Hamill out of everyone. He's such a nice guy that he's repeatedly retracted negative comments in an attempt to damage control, but you can tell he's still hurt as a fan. I'm more or less over the entire franchise. All of the "what-ifs" and "what-could-have-beens" hack away at any saving grace the sequel trilogy may have had in the first place. In the end, I'm just burned out and bummed out. Star Wars was such an integral part of my childhood that I thought could never steer me in the wrong direction. I grew up in the "movieless" era from 2007-2012 too, but funnily enough, that's when the franchise was at it's peak. The Clone Wars was airing and drawing in new fans such as myself, the toys were being made at a high quality and rapid pace, and the movies themselves were being solidified as all-time-classics, even the prequels- regardless of how you feel about them- were becoming iconic. Everything really did change when Disney bought the franchise in 2012. I wish I could go back.

03-05-2019, 12:18 PM	#504
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	Not superbig fan of Star Wars, but a big fan of good movies and particularly good space movies. There are not much movies like this and I really hoped that SW could feel the void, but Disney wasted it, replacing (some semblance of) originality with commercial hollowed repetition and pandering to the Internet mobs.

03-27-2019, 11:38 AM	#512
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,568	Disney pulled it! It's gone already. Also, some character sheets. I wonder why no Rose Tico? https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...stumes-a167427 __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-27-2019, 11:55 AM	#514
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I really hope her character died off-screen. What a wasted roster spot.

03-27-2019, 12:14 PM	#515
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,568	A very "important" character whose actress courageously fought mobs on Instagram about. Because of her we can have similarly "important" conversations about race! __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-27-2019, 12:18 PM	#516
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	And whose action figure has the distinguishing "achievement" of clogging up more pegs than any other in all of Star Wars history! Seriously. More kids bought f*cking Jar Jar. Think about that.

03-27-2019, 12:35 PM	#518
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Everybody loves Wicket, man. Y'all trippin'.

03-27-2019, 12:47 PM	#520
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	They're fine. I've never understood why people got so bent about that. That's another thing I went my whole life never hearing anyone complain about, until The Internet, and now EVERYONE hates Ewoks and always has.