New Ciro Nieli podcast... the future of Nick TMNT & more!

[Jester]

Um...it's a children's show with a children's demographic. It would totally NOT do better if it were less child focused.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Ashwolf

just saying that the show would be a lot more popular if it wasn't really children focused, think of how much better it could be action-wise which is about 85% of the show from my point of view

Spoken like a guy who knows jack sh*t about the biz.

[Ashwolf]

Originally Posted by Jester

Um...it's a children's show with a children's demographic. It would totally NOT do better if it were less child focused.

Originally Posted by Powder

Spoken like a guy who knows jack sh*t about the biz.

1st off, I was just stating opinion so relax, 2nd im a girl, and 3rdly, again, it was my completely personal opinion

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Ashwolf

just saying that the show would be a lot more popular if it wasn't really children focused, think of how much better it could be action-wise which is about 85% of the show from my point of view

I don't think it'll do better.....there aren't alot of adults who want to see teenage mutant ninja turtles XD most stay away just because of the title

mostly kids are interested to find out about something that crazy XD

(not saying TMMT is JUST for kids though *_* there still alot of things teens and adults can enjoy)

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Ashwolf

1st off, I was just stating opinion so relax, 2nd im a girl, and 3rdly, again, it was my completely personal opinion

Saying something would be more popular if _______ is not the same as "I think it would be better if...". You presented it as fact.

[plastroncafe]

It could be argued that the best, most long lasting, cartoons are ones that appeal to the widest audience base.

Looney Toons
Ren and Stimpy
Adventure Time
Spongebob Squarepants
Foster's Home for Imaginary Creatures
Avatar: The Last Airbender
The Simpsons
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic


Nick knows this, and hopefully they'll do the opposite of everything Cartoon Network is doing.

Distill your audience base to one single demographic, and once you lose them you're sunk.

[Andrew NDB]

Then again, there's whole thing about "When you try to please everybody..."

[plastroncafe]

That's one extreme end of the spectrum, yes.

As for the topic of blood, off the top of my head I can think of two cartoons that showed blood.

Heavy Metal the movie
Watership Down.

I've got to admit,...it cracks me up that we can get away with far more violence in books aimed at children and young adults than we can in our visual mediums.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

That's one extreme end of the spectrum, yes.

As for the topic of blood, off the top of my head I can think of two cartoons that showed blood.

Heavy Metal the movie
Watership Down.

I've got to admit,...it cracks me up that we can get away with far more violence in books aimed at children and young adults than we can in our visual mediums.

Young Justice had blood once :3
Adventure time had blood too XD (that demon blood sucker that sucked all of Jake's blood :3)

but...not all the time...

[snake]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

Ciro said on his podcast that the show would become more serious/dark near the end of season 2. I think that would be awesome. I only hope they don't show too much violence, but I would love to see a little blood.

Unless its a Nick theatrical movie, blood won't happen.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Young Justice had blood once :3
Adventure time had blood too XD (that demon blood sucker that sucked all of Jake's blood :3)

but...not all the time...

I could think of two instances where I've seen/known about blood:

One was Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker where Link stabbed the sword into Ganondorf's head, and another was Princess Mononoke, but I don't know if that was exactly considered for kids lol

[Mewzard]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

I could think of two instances where I've seen/known about blood:

One was Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker where Link stabbed the sword into Ganondorf's head, and another was Princess Mononoke, but I don't know if that was exactly considered for kids lol

Japan's standards for kids differs from America's standard for kids.Though it's an 80s example (and it can't really get this violent anymore on kids shows), take Fist of the North Star:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3WCNwuuX1w

The comic is about 10 times as violent without censorship/dealing with low detail animation. Still for kids.

But yeah, we've seen some mature kids shows in recent years that get away with stuff that I thought wouldn't fly in American kids shows in recent years.

Wouldn't mind seeing the trend continue, cartoons tend to be the best when they're willing to tread the line between children and adults for an audience, and don't play it too safe with one audience.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by kelligrafie

We have Shredder, Splinter and Karai, who are Japanese, Baxter who is African American, Xever/Fishface who I think is Brazilian...

If anyone's under-represented it's Europeans.

Let's have a German exchange student, who befriends April and gets embroiled in a love square with her, Casey and Donnie.

Or better yet, have a Russian foreign exchange student who is also good at ice skating (either be it Hockey or figure skating, take your pick) who befriends Casey and April.

I'm just reading through this thread. It's, uh, interesting. I do have to say though, Mikey still acts stupid.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Mirage gave us the best Mike. He was the everyturtle. The baseline by which all the others were The Leader, The Basket Case, and The Brain.

Having said that...I'll be damned if Nick Mike hasn't wormed his way into my heart. Kudos both to the writing, animation, and the performance by Cipes.

Now, I would think Leo is the everybody TMNT, right? In most incarnations.

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From that, i realized how less epic kraang battles would be if the head was not fair game. Pretty sure each turtle has knocked the head off a kraang atleast once.

And Raph himself nearly lost his own head, to the horrifying shock to Leo and Don They need more stuff like that, it was truly hysterical.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How do you guys honestly notice that April never said Raphael's name in 30 episodes or so? It's not something I would have ever realized if not seeing it just now.

Well, seeing that this quote was taken in December of last year, and the very next episode a few months later, The Good, The Bad and Casey Jones, has April actually saying "And the one and only, Raphael", makes me wonder if the show creators are truly watching this site. It's almost comical.

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I think a episode like that would feel stronger if they little to no music, zero dialogue with exception of April's journal narration, and high quality sound effects of the cold wilderness of Northampton to get sense of isolation between the characters. I could totally see it as an award winning episode but the only problem with it is that some kids might find the episode boring!

I would just love to hear April say for the first time, she's actually afraid of Raphael, the way she did in Mirage. It would be one helluva nod.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Does the little girl have a name?
Then I hazard to say she doesn't really count as a female protagonist. Now if she shows up again and gets a name that's a horse of an entirely different color.

And I hope she does. .

I'm hoping if she does come back, she actually becomes someone we knew all along, like Angel or maybe even Shadow.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But she's not immune to mutagen. That we've seen.

Well, I guess we know now that she is. Right?

[Refractive Reflections]

So after 4-5 months worth of episodes and reflection, this thread is going to be reignited huh?

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

So after 4-5 months worth of episodes and reflection, this thread is going to be reignited huh?

http://37.media.tumblr.com/2749d04cd...qfiko1_400.gif

Well, if the thread was that bad, it would have been locked, no? Anyways, it is interesting to see how things played out, that's all.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, this series keeps getting better and better with each episode for sure. I love it and am always eagerly awaiting the next episode.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, this series keeps getting better and better with each episode for sure. I love it and am always eagerly awaiting the next episode.

I don't think so. It has potential to be a top rated show, but I keep having this feeling that the creators, like Ciro, are being held back by both the studio heads with their lust to have episodes geared to sell toys, and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly. We get a couple of episodes that are great, then we have a slew of them where I just didn't care. I am just hoping that as soon as the CEO's get their toy quota out of the way, Ciro can get back down to business and make a stream of episodes that are more tight and in sync with eachother.

[MiBs]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

It has potential to be a top rated show, but I keep having this feeling that the creators, like Ciro, are being held back by both the studio heads with their lust to have episodes geared to sell toys, and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly

True, and it's a pity. But I'm confident that Ciro and the team are trying their best to pull it in another direction. I listened to the podcast since this thread was bumped up, and Ciro says that they are finishing the season 2 finale, and that he's getting notes of concern from Nick, because they think the show is getting to dark and serious....so I hope that means that we're in for some great episodes later on

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I don't think so. It has potential to be a top rated show, but I keep having this feeling that the creators, like Ciro, are being held back by both the studio heads with their lust to have episodes geared to sell toys, and the MPAA watch dogs to make sure the show is still kiddy friendly. We get a couple of episodes that are great, then we have a slew of them where I just didn't care. I am just hoping that as soon as the CEO's get their toy quota out of the way, Ciro can get back down to business and make a stream of episodes that are more tight and in sync with eachother.

Well, that's your opinion, but I disagree with it. Yeah, there have been a few hit and miss eps in season 2, but nothing major that really makes me hate it. I guess I'm just happy that we even have TMNT and just want to enjoy the ride as long as it lasts.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, this series keeps getting better and better with each episode for sure. I love it and am always eagerly awaiting the next episode.

I agree with this. They're coming up with great stories and characters, bravo Ciro and team!