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Sparvid · 12-02-2002, 10:55 AM

"Under Saki's leadership, the Foot was soon involved in many criminal activities: drug smuggling, arms running... And their speciality, assassination."
-TMNT #1

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 11:21 AM

its never really made clear the nature of the Foot in Japan, although they are definitely psycho-killers under Saki.

Sparvid · 12-02-2002, 12:23 PM

Yoshi was "the greatest Shadow Warrior" of "the famous Foot clan, the most feared warriors and assassins in all Japan". So they were assassins, but did no criminal activities

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 01:34 PM

assassin or criminal does not necessarily mean 'evil'.

**Karpo_007** · 12-02-2002, 01:43 PM

What is evil is a matter of opinnion but assasination is against the law. Well it doesnt matter anyway.

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 01:46 PM

no 'evil' per se is not a matter of opinion either.

**Karpo_007** · 12-02-2002, 01:49 PM

Well atleast it's against the Law. And in my opinnion assasination can be considered evil. If you think otherwise, then it's matter of opinnion.

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 01:54 PM

uggh... you want to talk about morality here, and this is an area most people just cant understand.

i'll put it this way. all actions have both good and evil consequences, no matter what they are. it is the intention and motivation behind the action that determines its morality.

you say assassinatons are 'evil'. If Hitler was asassinated, I doubt the Jews would have seen it that way. Yet, the German people as a whole would have mourned. every action has positive and negative effects on different people. thus only the intenton behind actions is a true determinate for morality.

**Karpo_007** · 12-02-2002, 01:57 PM

Í didnt say it was wrong. Besides You cant say that the Japanese foot werent killing Priests or whatever. IS it good or Evil right or wrong depends on the reader. To me it's all same. Foot were assasins, thats fine with me.

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 02:02 PM

like i said, the nature of the Japanese Foot is never revealed by Eastman and Laird. They DID say that the intentions of the original foudning members of the clan were not 'evil'.

right and wrong is a matter of intention, not percpetion. if an individual's intentions are selfless and compassionate, then he or she is doing 'good'. why? because, ultimately, we have no control over the repercussions of our actions in that we all lack omniscience.

12-02-2002, 11:21 AM	#42
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm its never really made clear the nature of the Foot in Japan, although they are definitely psycho-killers under Saki. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 01:34 PM	#44
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem assassin or criminal does not necessarily mean 'evil'. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 01:46 PM	#46
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem no 'evil' per se is not a matter of opinion either. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 01:54 PM	#48
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem uggh... you want to talk about morality here, and this is an area most people just cant understand. i'll put it this way. all actions have both good and evil consequences, no matter what they are. it is the intention and motivation behind the action that determines its morality. you say assassinatons are 'evil'. If Hitler was asassinated, I doubt the Jews would have seen it that way. Yet, the German people as a whole would have mourned. every action has positive and negative effects on different people. thus only the intenton behind actions is a true determinate for morality. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 02:02 PM	#50
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem like i said, the nature of the Japanese Foot is never revealed by Eastman and Laird. They DID say that the intentions of the original foudning members of the clan were not 'evil'. right and wrong is a matter of intention, not percpetion. if an individual's intentions are selfless and compassionate, then he or she is doing 'good'. why? because, ultimately, we have no control over the repercussions of our actions in that we all lack omniscience. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 10:55 AM	#41
Sparvid Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Östersund, Sweden Posts: 860	"Under Saki's leadership, the Foot was soon involved in many criminal activities: drug smuggling, arms running... And their speciality, assassination." -TMNT #1

12-02-2002, 12:23 PM	#43
Sparvid Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Östersund, Sweden Posts: 860	Yoshi was "the greatest Shadow Warrior" of "the famous Foot clan, the most feared warriors and assassins in all Japan". So they were assassins, but did no criminal activities

12-02-2002, 01:43 PM	#45
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	What is evil is a matter of opinnion but assasination is against the law. Well it doesnt matter anyway.

12-02-2002, 01:49 PM	#47
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well atleast it's against the Law. And in my opinnion assasination can be considered evil. If you think otherwise, then it's matter of opinnion.

12-02-2002, 01:57 PM	#49
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Í didnt say it was wrong. Besides You cant say that the Japanese foot werent killing Priests or whatever. IS it good or Evil right or wrong depends on the reader. To me it's all same. Foot were assasins, thats fine with me.