Best fighter of th Turtles?

[Jo269976]

Leo, if you don't know why, you'd better leave now

[Rhane]

I already voted a while ago, but now i'm adding in my opinion on all of this. Personally speaking Leo isn't my fav character, but I still voted for him. Leo's life truly revolves around this. He spends all his time and a lot of his energy perfecting his technique. Mikey, Raph, and Don are also very good martial artists, but they all have different areas of interests. As Ryona pointed out, this is Leo’s hobbie.

Originally Posted by trexmaster

I'm sorry, but we're talking about ninjutsu, not kung-fu or karate. In ninjutsu, a genuine appreciation of the art is the most important, not the ability to obey robotic commands and orders. Michelangelo is the only turtle with a genuine love of ninjutsu, so he's the most open-minded. Leo trains only to please Splinter, Raphael trains only because he loves violence, and Donatello doesn't even care that much.

That said, Leo is probably second to Mike, which I think is pretty good. Don't think I'm trashing Leo.

*sighs*

This is getting ridiculous now.
Really, you're not telling it like it is. Now I've been a fan of TMNT since 1988. If you're very new to TMNT, than I can understand why you're perseptions of the guys are a little wonky. If you are infact a long time fan, well then, really, you're being stubbourn dispite the facts.

Mikey never shows any love for Ninjutsu. He may like it, but he doesn't love it. By contrast, Leo truely does love the art. Leo has a strong passion for Ninjutsu and martial arts in general. It's quite obvious. Like Anarky said, Leo as well as the others train because they have to to survive, but Leo has a special interest for the arts. For crying out loud, Leo's favorite book is The Art Of War. Leo is ALL about the martial arts.

If you want to believe Mikey is the best fighter regardless of the FACTS, you can go ahead, but I find it odd that you're trying to convince yourself and others that your bias perseption is correct.

Bottom line, everyone knows Leo is the best fighter, It's always been like that and is most likely always going to be like that. If you still want to be stubbourn about it, than I challenge you to write a letter to Peter Laird asking him who the best fighter is.


I'm sorry if my tone may seem harsh. I'm not trying to make it sound like Leo is the best at everything. Far from it. I'm just saying that when it comes to martial arts and combat, Leo truely is the best. Just about every fan knows this whether they want to believe it or not. It's common knowledge.



And another thing, what you said about martial arts is pretty off. You have to have a genuine appreciation for any martial art. Not just Ninjutsu. It's one of the most important things for any of them. Without the heart, respect, and passion for the arts, no amount of techiques are going to make you a master.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Can you please tell us why he is the best fighter? You know, we're having a bit of a discussion here. Maybe your insights will help.

That's asking a bit for a blinded by Love fan girl.

I"m a Raph fan, but I can still see his weaknesses. His hot headedness can be a real liability in a fight. Leo extra training and dedication, as well as his level head make him the best choice for leader. But now with Leo becoming more out of control, I dunna if he's still the best leader. He's right, but a true leader can motivate without blowing up.

Yes, Mikey's the most athletic, but that's like saying just cause someone can play say, basketball, it makes him a good fighter. He might be more agile and swift, but if he were to go against a trained fighter, he'd get waxed. Same with Raph, he may be the strongest, but just shere brawn can't stand against a trained fighter. Though finese may be non esential, training is a must, and this is where Leo shines. He is one who trains the most. And in the heat of battle that dedication shine through.

As for Donnie-T....I dunna. He's my second fave (maybe even tied with Raphie) but he's diffrent enough from me that I can't get into his head. As Anarky said, he's able to defend himself, but he'd rather not. He's the most pasifistic of the group, but slaugher his family, alla SaiNW, and he can open up that provebial can of Whoop Touckus. Donnie'd rather use non-violent methods of attack. he's the TMNT Ghandi (please note, I'm being a bit sarcastic and exagerating.).

[trexmaster]

Mikey never shows any love for Ninjutsu. He may like it, but he doesn't love it. By contrast, Leo truely does love the art. Leo has a strong passion for Ninjutsu and martial arts in general. It's quite obvious. Like Anarky said, Leo as well as the others train because they have to to survive, but Leo has a special interest for the arts. For crying out loud, Leo's favorite book is The Art Of War. Leo is ALL about the martial arts.

Sun Tzu's book is about military tactics, not Japanese martial arts. You've convinced me that Leonardo is great at strategy, but I am talking about fighting action.

Leo's attitude towards martial arts is more "teacher's pet" than a genuine love. Really, Leo just does it because he feels that he must fulfill a "duty" to Splinter. Mike enjoys training and ninjutsu for its intrinistic nature. Both of these attitudes may help, but since Mike's love for ninjutsu is more natural and less forced, he has the upper hand.

And, as I recall, in an issue of the Mirage comics, Mike was the only Turtle who was actually training when they were in the woodshed. Leo was hunting deer, Raph was moping, and Don was doing what he does best (machines!).

Yeah, I know that Art Of War is not a book of martial arts per say... but isn't Ninjutsu a military martial art anyway? If you happen to know oh so much about ninjutsu, you would know this to be a fact.
Also, The Book Of Five Rings too isn't exactly a martial arts book, but it's very useful as an aid to becoming a great warrior.


And again, I see you're being really ignorant dispite that the facts are shoved in our faces from everything TMNT. From the early days of the Mirage comics, all the way to the current series.

And, as I recall, in an issue of the Mirage comics, Mike was the only Turtle who was actually training when they were in the woodshed. Leo was hunting deer, Raph was moping, and Don was doing what he does best (machines!).

Lol! You're using that to defend your claim? Let me help you out here... Mikey was actually pretty out of character during that time period. He was so shook up of what happened to Leo that Mikey started imagining the worst and started to train hardcore in the barn. He eventually loosened up though and when back to being his old self.
And the reason we didn't see Leo train was because he was still healing from his near death experience.

[DSWBandit]

I have no clue. For my voting techniques...
I vote OUT Mikey. Like those before me, he goofs off too much, although the nunchukus pack a wallop.
Now I vote out Raph. 2nd favorite Turtle is like me. If I get mad, I can't think straight, and end up losin' it.
The next and deciding vote out will go to Donnatello. I like this dude alot, and I've got a similer weapon so I know what kind of position he's in. He thinks very good though, and that's what gives him the advantage.
However, it's Leo's well-roundedness, determination and slicing katana blades that makes him the best fighter. I VOTE for Leonardo DiCaprio. XD (oh god.)
-The Bandit

[trexmaster]

I give up, I am getting tired of arguing with you. It's an exercise in futility, and I admit that my debating skills are not up to snuff.

Look, I don't want tension between us. But you have to understand that though you favor Mikey over the others you have to acknowledge that Mikey is not the best fighter. I know that you know this. When you state something that is false just for the sake of trying to make your turtle shine, it confuses the new TMNT fans who pass by here everyday for information about the TMNT.

You may not know this, but next to the official TMNT website, the Technodrome is the most popular source on the Web for TMNT fans to come and get their turtle tidbits.

If we post innaccurate information about anything from the TMNT universe, it confuses those who don't know better. It confuses those who are looking for the right and honest answers to their questions.

So what if Mikey is not a better fighter than Leo. Is that really a big deal? They're all good at something. They all have their interests and hobbies which they excel at. Leo excels in fighting. So what? Mikey as well as the others excel in other things. They all have something that they do well. It's what makes them unique and great.



Also, I'd like to add that I've decided to write a letter to Dan from the official site asking who the best fighter is.
I'll post the recieved letter when I get it as well as my sent letter.
This ought to put an end to all the confusion in this thread.

[Wes]

Wow, this thread is getting kinda heated! Relax, folks -- we're just talking Turtles, not debating politics. (Isn't there a rule against that? ) Actually, I'm probably gonna have to toss in my vote for Mikey. It may be true that ninjitsu is mostly a strategy-oriented art, but that's because the way of the ninja primarily involves stealth and surprise attacks (hence the negative attitude that other warriors hold towards the ninja, seeing as how they prefer their contests to be a one-on-one contest of strength and skill that isn't so much dependent upon hiding and resourcefulness) -- and while Leo excels at that, I think his combat improvisation skills are lacking, whereas Mike's are pretty impressive. Raph borders on psychotic, which is a definite weakness, and, like many have said, Don seems more or less apathetic about it all -- which is highly dangerous in a mechanically inclined supervillain, but not in a ninja. Besides, Mike is the BATTLE NEXUS CHAMPION, which is like a stamped declaration of his awesomeness.

Originally Posted by Wes

Mike is the BATTLE NEXUS CHAMPION, which is like a stamped declaration of his awesomeness.

That he is!
...Though I can't help but think that it was rather interesting that the writers had Leo disqualified by getting poisoned. Had Leo not been disqualified I think we would have ended up with a different Nexus Champ.

[GK Punk]

Originally Posted by Wes

Mike is the BATTLE NEXUS CHAMPION, which is like a stamped declaration of his awesomeness.

Oh yeah well RVD is a former Intercontinental Champion as well as Former ECW World Televesion Champion for near 2 years!

...Why is everyone looking at me that way?

[Jester]

Leo and Usagi kinda got shafted for the title of Battle Nexus Champion. Had the competed to the end, I wonder if the results had been diffrent.

[XERO]

Originally Posted by Kittie february6

Oh yeah well RVD is a former Intercontinental Champion as well as Former ECW World Televesion Champion for near 2 years!

...Why is everyone looking at me that way?

Plus, he's the whole F'n show!

[GK Punk]

Don;t you ever forget it

[Jester]

So, if it came down to Mike and Usagi...or Mikey and Leo...who'd win?

[GK Punk]

Originally Posted by Jester

So, if it came down to Mike and Usagi...or Mikey and Leo...who'd win?

....What, like I have to say it again?

[Jester]

RVD vs. a huricane....Huricane RVD?? OHHHHH!!!!

[Weapon X]

RVD Vs. Everything= Everything gets OWNED.

[Jester]

What if it was RVD vs. RV??