TMNT, The "R"-rated version.

*Weapon X* · 11-24-2005, 11:44 PM

I in issue #9 of Comic Scene with an interview with Eastman and Laird in which they were talking about the upcoming film, Laird was quoted with saying the first script was heading toward an "R' rating but Laird and co-creator Eastman felt a large portion of the heroes audience would have been turned away at the theater doors. It pretty much goes on to say that they are now going for a "PG-13" rating that can still allow a great deal of action and violence, and doesn't need to "gross" and "gory" to the point of needing an "R" rating. This was all the information I ever knew on the subject of the "Original "R" rating", until now.

Hopefully there's a couple people yet to know this, and here is another bit of evidence of it.

"Director Steve Barron wanted the film to closely follow the comic. He intended to make the film dark and gritty. The film would open with April being raped (not just mugged) and being saved by the Turtles. The Turtles were to swear, drink beer, and be more rude, and there would be more killings. However, the producers thought that with the ongoing cartoon version of the franchise, they should make the film more children-friendly. Much of the original violence was cut and new shots were filmed to tone the movie down."

**Jester** · 11-24-2005, 11:50 PM

I thought TMNT was Pre-PG13....*shrugs*

**GK Punk** · 11-24-2005, 11:51 PM

Honestly, I'm GLAD it didn't turn out that way. One of the things that makes that movie so watchable even to this day is the fact that it's such a great balance of the Darkness of the Mirage Studios comics and the Cartoon.

**Jester** · 11-24-2005, 11:56 PM

True, but I'd like to see some of the action put back in...maybe not the swearing and booze...

**GK Punk** · 11-24-2005, 11:56 PM

Or a Rape scene.there's no need for that.

**Jester** · 11-24-2005, 11:57 PM

Oh yeah...I kind blocked that from memory....thanks GK....

*Weapon X* · 11-25-2005, 12:02 AM

This quote "Much of the original violence was cut and new shots were filmed to tone the movie down" just makes the want of a SE even that more larger for the mere fact that some of this survived(That is to say that any was filmed, which is implied) I'd only want to see the gritty more violent stuff, mybe a little booze drinking just for the fun of it, but nothing on the rape scene, that is definatly something not to want, but it is somthing to think about......ohhhh wait, scratch that.

*Buslady* · 11-25-2005, 09:56 AM

They can still make it more adult level without getting corny like TMNT2. With a PG13, they can pull it off. I'm gonna hold faith in them. They seem to wanna be careful about how they go about this project. They can still say bad words but no really bad bad stuff...f-word, s-word....stuff like crap, damn(raph's best!), and junk like that. Bring on the beeer! At least for Raph..he likes that stuff. I kinda think it'd be funny a buzzed Raph on screen trying to fight drunk against Leo..now that'd make him look like a fool.
April doesnt need to be raped, mugged and seriously hurt would work enough.

*cowabunga14* · 11-25-2005, 02:31 PM

Well, that's intrestin'. I didn't know April was orginally gonna be raped. I'm glad they left that out personally. I wouldn't like to see the Turtles drunk. It's somethin' doesn't really go with 'em and it would be ironic cuz the Turtles were in this drug free cartoon and X-Entertainment has an article on it. Y'all should read it if you get a chance.

**Jester** · 11-25-2005, 02:52 PM

I just realized....how many super hero movies nowadays have PG-13 ratings?

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 11-25-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I just realized....how many super hero movies nowadays have PG-13 ratings?

Most of them, actually.

But, a good TMNT movie would really be more set-up like a Martial-Arts film than a superhero one. That's why the first one was so good (Golden Harvest usually makes Kung-Fu movies), the format that live-action superhero films use IMO would really not work for TMNT.

And, I second Ryona's "Leo's sake" idea, but not the "Splinter's bong" idea.

11-25-2005, 03:26 PM

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And Splinter smoking a bong? Yeah...I could see that....NOT!

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And, I second Ryona's "Leo's sake" idea, but not the "Splinter's bong" idea.

*giggles hystaricly*

Anyway, yeah, I can see Leo carrying one of these on his belt.

Oh, and Raph can carry one of these.

Fledermaus · 11-25-2005, 07:22 PM

An April rape would have been gratuitous and I'm glad that wasn't in the movie. Stuff like torture and sorrow... it needs to be integral to the plot, otherwise it gets melodramatic or eye-candy oriented and really makes it hard to take the movie seriously. You want eye candy, go watch Sin City or Oldboy. Incest, sex, and torture galore in the latter. I agree, turtles should be more martial-arts oriented. I personally thought all the movies, even the first one, were rather silly and could have had stronger storylines and character... Oh well.

As for alcohol, I guess the Lions and Lambs group would get ecstatic over Raph setting a bad example for teens. And I doubt Leo would drink alcohol. He's ramrod straight. The only liquids he'd drink would be water, milk, juice, and tea. I suspect he'd be a heavy green tea drinker (possibly genmai-cha).

Also, Leo has blades. What, does he use the butt of the swords to defeat his opponents? Blades cut. They are lethal, and I personally think they're teaching kids the wrong lesson. If you get something razor sharp and strike someone with it, they'll probably bleed. (you see more blood on the PowerPuff girls, honestly...)

11-25-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fledermaus

I doubt Leo would drink alcohol. He's ramrod straight. The only liquids he'd drink would be water, milk, juice, and tea.

I would a have to disagree. First off, he (as well as the others) have drank alcohol in the Mirage comics. Second, I see Leo as the type to part take on Japan's traditional alcoholic drink. In Japan, Sake holds great respect and is even a part of many respected and holy traditions and ceremonies.

11-25-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buslady

They can still make it more adult level without getting corny like TMNT2. With a PG13, they can pull it off. I'm gonna hold faith in them. They seem to wanna be careful about how they go about this project. They can still say bad words but no really bad bad stuff...f-word, s-word....stuff like crap, damn(raph's best!), and junk like that. Bring on the beeer! At least for Raph..he likes that stuff. I kinda think it'd be funny a buzzed Raph on screen trying to fight drunk against Leo..now that'd make him look like a fool.
April doesnt need to be raped, mugged and seriously hurt would work enough.

I agree. With a rating like PG13, they can still make it pretty adult.
We can have Raph drinking beer and maybe Splinter smoking a bong pipe. That would be quite the sight.

Oh, and we can have Leo carrying a classic Japanese sake bottle on his belt. He can take swigs from it occationaly.

Seriously, yeah, we do need the Mirage elements that are constantly skipped out on in every other TMNT incarnation. Swearing, blood, and booze.

**Jester** · 11-25-2005, 02:58 PM

There was booze in the Mirage incarnation? *shrugs*

And Splinter smoking a bong? Yeah...I could see that....NOT!

*Weapon X* · 11-25-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

There was booze in the Mirage incarnation? *shrugs*

Yeah, in fact, one instance was in Mirage Vol. 1 #3, after getting settled in Aprils apartment, one of the Turtles asks If she has any beer.

**Jester** · 11-25-2005, 03:38 PM

Any others?

*Buslady* · 11-25-2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

There was booze in the Mirage incarnation? *shrugs*

And Splinter smoking a bong? Yeah...I could see that....NOT!

Raph got drunk in v4 thats why he couldnt fight back the stupid vamps who turned him into Gameraph

hey in that capture of leo hacking shredder...lookit his foot..it looks like the actor tore the leg piece and you can see what LOOKS like a human foot..hahaahaha i dunno...maybe im seeing it wrong

Dragnskull · 11-26-2005, 01:00 AM

im confused now...

i thought the new movie was going to be CGI but i see people talkin gabout the actors from TMNT1 and 2 when mentioning there wishes for the new movie here...

so is it CGI or is it going to be a regular movie? :S

11-24-2005, 11:44 PM	#1
Weapon X Turtle Power! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,744	TMNT, The "R"-rated version. I in issue #9 of Comic Scene with an interview with Eastman and Laird in which they were talking about the upcoming film, Laird was quoted with saying the first script was heading toward an "R' rating but Laird and co-creator Eastman felt a large portion of the heroes audience would have been turned away at the theater doors. It pretty much goes on to say that they are now going for a "PG-13" rating that can still allow a great deal of action and violence, and doesn't need to "gross" and "gory" to the point of needing an "R" rating. This was all the information I ever knew on the subject of the "Original "R" rating", until now. Hopefully there's a couple people yet to know this, and here is another bit of evidence of it. "Director Steve Barron wanted the film to closely follow the comic. He intended to make the film dark and gritty. The film would open with April being raped (not just mugged) and being saved by the Turtles. The Turtles were to swear, drink beer, and be more rude, and there would be more killings. However, the producers thought that with the ongoing cartoon version of the franchise, they should make the film more children-friendly. Much of the original violence was cut and new shots were filmed to tone the movie down."

11-24-2005, 11:50 PM	#2
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I thought TMNT was Pre-PG13....shrugs __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-24-2005, 11:56 PM	#4
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	True, but I'd like to see some of the action put back in...maybe not the swearing and booze... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-24-2005, 11:57 PM	#6
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Oh yeah...I kind blocked that from memory....thanks GK.... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-25-2005, 09:56 AM	#8
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	They can still make it more adult level without getting corny like TMNT2. With a PG13, they can pull it off. I'm gonna hold faith in them. They seem to wanna be careful about how they go about this project. They can still say bad words but no really bad bad stuff...f-word, s-word....stuff like crap, damn(raph's best!), and junk like that. Bring on the beeer! At least for Raph..he likes that stuff. I kinda think it'd be funny a buzzed Raph on screen trying to fight drunk against Leo..now that'd make him look like a fool. April doesnt need to be raped, mugged and seriously hurt would work enough. __________________

11-24-2005, 11:51 PM	#3
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Honestly, I'm GLAD it didn't turn out that way. One of the things that makes that movie so watchable even to this day is the fact that it's such a great balance of the Darkness of the Mirage Studios comics and the Cartoon.

11-25-2005, 12:02 AM	#7
Weapon X Turtle Power! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,744	This quote "Much of the original violence was cut and new shots were filmed to tone the movie down" just makes the want of a SE even that more larger for the mere fact that some of this survived(That is to say that any was filmed, which is implied) I'd only want to see the gritty more violent stuff, mybe a little booze drinking just for the fun of it, but nothing on the rape scene, that is definatly something not to want, but it is somthing to think about......ohhhh wait, scratch that.

11-25-2005, 02:31 PM	#9
cowabunga14 Lover of Weird Things Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CA Posts: 4,014	Well, that's intrestin'. I didn't know April was orginally gonna be raped. I'm glad they left that out personally. I wouldn't like to see the Turtles drunk. It's somethin' doesn't really go with 'em and it would be ironic cuz the Turtles were in this drug free cartoon and X-Entertainment has an article on it. Y'all should read it if you get a chance. __________________ How can something so beautiful shine on something so dreadful?

11-25-2005, 02:52 PM	#10
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I just realized....how many super hero movies nowadays have PG-13 ratings? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-25-2005, 07:22 PM	#13
Fledermaus Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,115	An April rape would have been gratuitous and I'm glad that wasn't in the movie. Stuff like torture and sorrow... it needs to be integral to the plot, otherwise it gets melodramatic or eye-candy oriented and really makes it hard to take the movie seriously. You want eye candy, go watch Sin City or Oldboy. Incest, sex, and torture galore in the latter. I agree, turtles should be more martial-arts oriented. I personally thought all the movies, even the first one, were rather silly and could have had stronger storylines and character... Oh well. As for alcohol, I guess the Lions and Lambs group would get ecstatic over Raph setting a bad example for teens. And I doubt Leo would drink alcohol. He's ramrod straight. The only liquids he'd drink would be water, milk, juice, and tea. I suspect he'd be a heavy green tea drinker (possibly genmai-cha). Also, Leo has blades. What, does he use the butt of the swords to defeat his opponents? Blades cut. They are lethal, and I personally think they're teaching kids the wrong lesson. If you get something razor sharp and strike someone with it, they'll probably bleed. (you see more blood on the PowerPuff girls, honestly...) __________________ We're calling it a freeway. Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past. I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night! Soon there will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food! Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God... It'll be beautiful.

11-25-2005, 02:58 PM	#16
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	There was booze in the Mirage incarnation? shrugs And Splinter smoking a bong? Yeah...I could see that....NOT! __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-25-2005, 03:38 PM	#18
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Any others? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

11-26-2005, 01:00 AM	#20
Dragnskull Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Humble, Texas Posts: 766	im confused now... i thought the new movie was going to be CGI but i see people talkin gabout the actors from TMNT1 and 2 when mentioning there wishes for the new movie here... so is it CGI or is it going to be a regular movie? :S