kickin mutie slugfest

[Arsenal]

[Wingnut]

Ahhh crap we have ANOTHER heretic888

[Arsenal]

Not to be cliche, but "don't start nothin', won't be nothin'."

[azure turtle]

All right, this fighting needs to stop. EVERYONE has opinions, and you have the right to agree or disagree. However, no one has the right to attack the poster. I'm getting tired of seeing others get put down just because their opinions differ.

Let's try to make these debates civil, please?

[heretic888]

Debating Spidey-senses reaction to being blinded is kinda iffy all-around, especially considering that it would rely on the Turtles being able to blind Spidey.

Wrong. All the 'spider sense' tells Spiderman is that there IS danger. It doesnt tell him where or when, or what to do about it. The ninja sakkijutsu is more akin to Daredevil's '360 degree vision' (which Spidey has admitted puts his spider sense to shame).

If he's at the top of his game, no matter what they throw at him, he's going to sense it and react to it in time to save himself. Now whether or not his reflexes are perfect are where it gets really iffy. It would be a great battle. I'll say this: Spidey has the superior physical prowess and has experiences taking out whole groups of heroes.

Spiderman's greatest weakness in the battle would be his lack of training and completely unstrategical mindset.

Heh. In what fan-fiction? I'm sorry, but even if he were a "better fighter" (*COUGH*sh***COUGH*)

Raph is a better fighter in the sense that he has evidenced superior ability to adapt to various opponents' movements.

unless Raph is going to somehow singlehandedly remove Wolvie's head from his adamantium laced body and sent it to Cleveland by way of First Day Delivery from FedEx (cause otherwise, Wolvie would just cancel the delivery... he's that damn good!), there's really nothing he could do to genuinely hurt Wolvie.

Actually, all Raph would have to do is strike a few pressure points and its unlikely Wolverine would even get up. You don't have to maim or kill someone to stop them.

Sure he does

No, he doesnt. Trust me, Wolverine does NOT do ninjutsu.

probably better training (from many sources, probably of a more broad nature than the turtles)

It doesnt get 'better' than authentic, full ninjutsu training.

and oodles more experience

Fighting people that pose little or no threat to him. Not much in the way of constructive experience. Besides, experience untempered by wisdom and insight is pretty useless.

not to mention a lot of lovely instincts/berserker rage that have proven very effective in the past.

Maybe against a thug. NOT against a highly-trained ninja.

Add to that inherent strength, healing abilities, an invulnerable skeleton, heightened senses... NINJA SNIKT!!

Like I said, one good pressure strike could defeat him. In the older comics, Wolverine was rather easily defeated by Iron Fist.

What, you think he's never taken on ninjas before? Simple, average (in the sense of power) ninjas? They're his lightwork.

No, he hasnt. You obviously don't know a thing about ninja or ninjutsu. The Hand were 'ninja' in cliche only.

No, I was suggesting the pointlessness of the Turtles attempting any tactic against Wolvie, considering his plethora of mutant abilities, enhancements and his own ninjutsu training.

Wolverine doesnt have any ninjutsu training, and a single strike to the throat or heart would easily render him defeated.

What are they gonna do (assuming they could outpace him)? Gouge his eyes out? He can still rely on his other senses! And the eyes will be good as new within minutes.

Minutes?? Try days.

Slit his throat? It heals.

When Sabertooth slit his throat, it took days to heal.

Please. Even if Logan weren't familiar with these moves (which he should be, he learned them decades before the turtles were born), it takes much more than coughing up blood to stop a man who survived having the adamantium leeched from his bones. (Good 'ole X-men #25). A man who can have his entire arm skewered down to the bone and have it heal within minutes. What are they gonna do? This is the guy who is fun to torture, because you know he'll survive it.

Wolverine, based on how he actualy fights, does not know these 'moves'. And the healing you reference always takes place within days not minutes.

Of course, all of this relies on the Turtles not being sensed long before they get close to Wolverine.

They are ninja, genius. You may notice that on the palladium rpg, all the turtles with the exception of Donatello have a prowl skill of 98%, meaning they are virtually impossible to detect.

, but there's few truths in life, and one of them is that Wolverine can kick just about anyone's ass. I'd bet money on Wolvie making Superman bleed.

My money would be on Logan too because Superman would in essence try to super-box him into submission. Kent is no warrior.

The turtles, however, would simply go for lethal points and could outmaneuver him. Supes has superspeed but not supertraining.

The laws of electrciity unfortunately don't respond to ninja stealth, especially when manipulated by Ororo Munroe. Certainly the fight could go Donny's way if he gets the first lick (flawed, but good example: Toad vs. Storm in the X-men movie), but after that he's screwed. As I've said in many a superhero showdown debate.... how do you dodge lightning? Ya don't. How do you dodge gale winds and hail? Ya don't. The best thing that Donny has going for him is his WOODEN bo, which wouldn't conduct electricity.

Assuming Don doesnt knock her out with the first attack, Storm's greatest weakness would be that her attacks wouldnt necessarily defeat Don on the first round. His would.

Funny how Wolvie had held his own against this very character on many occasions *using* his hotheaded instincts.

As I seem to recall, Logan has never beaten Omega Red on his own.

[That Matt Guy]

I find it funny that you take a comic so seriously, you talk as if it was real.

[Psycrow]

Ahhhhhh the overanalyzing of characters that don't exist!!!

[Karpo_007]

And arsenal, people have their own opinnions, but you can't bash something you don't know anything about. So stop that. Ánd you are saying that source material doesn't matters... That's like saying Now that there are movies hte original LOTR books can be forgotten... Thats just plain stupid. Of couse the original artists will be remembered. But most cartoons fans have long ago forgotten it. The hardcore fans who hasn't can be found on these boards.

And really it seems you don't know how to behave on a public forum. This is not the only thread you have started to insult people. As I said earlier, Grow up, and learn how to behave.

[heretic888]

I find it funny that you take a comic so seriously, you talk as if it was real.

Ahhhhhh the overanalyzing of characters that don't exist!!!

Nothing wrong with that!

Seriously, its a discussion about an artform. Just like if I were comparing two songs or two paintings. Nothing wrong with a lil' fun discussion....

And arsenal, people have their own opinnions, but you can't bash something you don't know anything about. So stop that. Ánd you are saying that source material doesn't matters... That's like saying Now that there are movies hte original LOTR books can be forgotten... Thats just plain stupid. Of couse the original artists will be remembered. But most cartoons fans have long ago forgotten it. The hardcore fans who hasn't can be found on these boards.

And really it seems you don't know how to behave on a public forum. This is not the only thread you have started to insult people. As I said earlier, Grow up, and learn how to behave.

I agree.