The Princess and the Frog

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by NameGoesHere1066

If you want to talk sterotypes how come Mulan doesn't get bashed. There is some asian sterotypes in there to, what with every one saying "**insert name** you dishonor meeeee"

Here's an off topic pondering...

earlier this year a commercial for Sales Genie or something got pulled because it was considered racist, since Pandas talked with Chinese accents and lived in pagodas... however, I've noticed no one say anything about the Skittles "Sour Man" commercial, or the ads for Six flags when a guy with a heavy accent proclaims "Six Fwags! Mo' Fwags, mo fun" when the joke clearly rests on the fact he has a funny accent. That last one is especially nasty, if you ask me, and no one has done crap about it.

[NameGoesHere1066]

the age old double standard. If it's ment to be funny it ok, because it's supposed to make you laugh, and evrey one knows it'sa not to be taken seriously. If it is done in a sincere way then it's racist because your saying that is how they really are. It's all perception.

another off topic tid bit on racism and intolerance. Why is it appectable or ok to say something about one group of people but not another? This really pissed my off last week when my white guy friend was laughing at a joke I made about black pop culture all my other friends where laughing (mostly black like me) but my when they noticed my white guy friend laughing too, suddenly it became an issue and my loud mouthed girl friend started busting his chops over why he was laughing. And she went on a rant (making my white buddy really uncomfertable) on how all rascism was bad and no one had the right to say anything about any one. All he did was laugh at a joke I made about my people and he got his ass chewed out because he dared laugh at a joke in a room full of black people. I thought this was tottally hypcritical because my girl friend, who was going off on racism rant, is one of the most racist people I know, she is always making snide remarks about white people, asian people, hispanic people, and is forever doing impressions of people with mental handicaps. But heaven forbid should a white guy laugh at a good natured joke about black pop culture. I had to tell her to shut her mouth and got into a yelling match over this. People are sickening sometimes.

[Sage Ninja]

you know if the Disney wanted to do a story involving an African Princess they should have taken an actual African location with characters to the big screen instead of doing a typical fairy tale that ushauly has white protaganist and making her black, just so they can go "hey every one it's our first black Disney Princess" hur hur hur.

I was just watching an episode of Gargoyals where Goliath and Elisa are on thier journey around world from Avolan and they end up in Africa and they meet up with Elisa's mother, and Elsa's mother ends up telling some village kids an African folk story about a Panther who gets turned into a beautiful woman by a spider.

Well I was watching this, and I have no idea if this was just fabricated for just the show or if it's in fact a real African folk tale, but I thought "wow, wouldn't this make an awsome 2D animated movie involving an African princess"? The way it's told in the show was so awsome. A vain female panther angers a evil magical spider and gets turned into a human woman as punishment, and has to live out her life as a woman and sereve the spider by building a city to dedicate him and ends up marrying a Cheif to achieve this and has human children with him, but is torn between being a panther again and being seprated from her children, but is given the choice to turn one of her human children into a panter like her. That would have made an awsome theatrical Disney movie in the 2D animated style with an African Princess. It has all the elements of meaty plot and full length movie.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by NameGoesHere1066

the age old double standard. If it's ment to be funny it ok, because it's supposed to make you laugh, and evrey one knows it'sa not to be taken seriously. If it is done in a sincere way then it's racist because your saying that is how they really are. It's all perception.

another off topic tid bit on racism and intolerance. Why is it appectable or ok to say something about one group of people but not another? This really pissed my off last week when my white guy friend was laughing at a joke I made about black pop culture all my other friends where laughing (mostly black like me) but my when they noticed my white guy friend laughing too, suddenly it became an issue and my loud mouthed girl friend started busting his chops over why he was laughing. And she went on a rant (making my white buddy really uncomfertable) on how all rascism was bad and no one had the right to say anything about any one. All he did was laugh at a joke I made about my people and he got his ass chewed out because he dared laugh at a joke in a room full of black people. I thought this was tottally hypcritical because my girl friend, who was going off on racism rant, is one of the most racist people I know, she is always making snide remarks about white people, asian people, hispanic people, and is forever doing impressions of people with mental handicaps. But heaven forbid should a white guy laugh at a good natured joke about black pop culture. I had to tell her to shut her mouth and got into a yelling match over this. People are sickening sometimes.

It really becomes more about laughing at the racist than at the racism....but it's also a fine fine line. Like you said, as long as there's this unwritten code of double standards, then we'll never get to a point where we can at least live in some sort of harmony.

*hums Avenue Q's "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist."*

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

I was just watching an episode of Gargoyals where Goliath and Elisa are on thier journey around world from Avolan and they end up in Africa and they meet up with Elisa's mother, and Elsa's mother ends up telling some village kids an African folk story about a Panther who gets turned into a beautiful woman by a spider.

Well I was watching this, and I have no idea if this was just fabricated for just the show or if it's in fact a real African folk tale.

Ah.. you're talking about the incident with Anansi the Spider (who was voiced by LaVar Burton! ). Trickster/Creator god in many cultures around the world. Not just Africa but the Americas as well. Altho to some Native American tribes he's actually a good spirit. "Anansi and the Creation of the World"...it was the first book I ever read when I was 5. I'll always remember that for some reason.

And incidentally Song of the South's tale of the Tar baby is based on an Anansi story. Brer Rabbit = Anansi

The story of Anansi and the Panther tho is not an actual African tale. Greg Weisman admited in his blog that he made the story up. Anansi mostly deals with Jaguars in the stories I've read about him. He's currently a big bad in DC Comics. Having been pulling the strings and seemingly changing the powers of Vixen and Animal Man

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

you know if the Disney wanted to do a story involving an African Princess they should have taken an actual African location with characters to the big screen instead of doing a typical fairy tale that ushauly has white protaganist and making her black, just so they can go "hey every one it's our first black Disney Princess" hur hur hur.

I was just watching an episode of Gargoyals where Goliath and Elisa are on thier journey around world from Avolan and they end up in Africa and they meet up with Elisa's mother, and Elsa's mother ends up telling some village kids an African folk story about a Panther who gets turned into a beautiful woman by a spider.

Well I was watching this, and I have no idea if this was just fabricated for just the show or if it's in fact a real African folk tale, but I thought "wow, wouldn't this make an awsome 2D animated movie involving an African princess"? The way it's told in the show was so awsome. A vain female panther angers a evil magical spider and gets turned into a human woman as punishment, and has to live out her life as a woman and sereve the spider by building a city to dedicate him and ends up marrying a Cheif to achieve this and has human children with him, but is torn between being a panther again and being seprated from her children, but is given the choice to turn one of her human children into a panter like her. That would have made an awsome theatrical Disney movie in the 2D animated style with an African Princess. It has all the elements of meaty plot and full length movie.

Words...taken...out of mouth.

That's exactly the problem... Isn't there some African tale about a Princess they could use instead of just taken one of the few stories they didn't touch and plopping some African Americans in it to look PC? European Stories= White cast. Not really a huge stretch. There are amazing tales all over the world without having to semi-modernize an old European tale.

Or HEY! They could make one up themselves. or an entire Non-fairytale story about African American kids...

But on the subject of Disney Princesses, why is Mulan up there? I recall her NOT being a princess... and she winds up marrying (as far as the story is concerned) a General, not a Prince....

All the others either were born or became princesses. though, Wouldn't Belle be a queen?

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

All the others either were born or became princesses. though, Wouldn't Belle be a queen?

Beast was a Prince not a King. In the original tale Belle was a princess. The Prince's father died when he was young and his mother left him to be raised by this evil fairy who tried to seduce him. He refused her "offer" so she turned him into a beast. Belle is the daughter of a King and the same evil fairy. But she was raised by a merchant for her protection.

Technically Pocahontas isn't a Princess but the daughter of a Chief. And yet both Pocahontas and Mulan are amongst the Disney princesses. Despite Pocahontas and Mulan being historical folk who were technically not Princesses. They didn't need to make sequel upon Sequel about Mulan either.

Course Disney ruined both the stories of Pocahontas and Mulan.

Mulan was a legendary figure in China who saved China from Mongols. That did happen. I have a friend who lived in the town Mulan was from. There's a shrine in her honor. I just wish the Disney film had mentioned the 6th century poem about her where it states she was in disguise for 12 years.

Don't even get me started on Disney's farce of Pocahontas...especially Pocahontas II... Ugh... fraking movie pisses me off to no end. Go read "Pocahontas: True Princess" or see "The New World". Those are more accurate. I guess Disney couldn't make a movie about a Native girl who becomes a Christian, is renamed Rebecca, marries John Rolf, has his kid, and dies in the end.

Course in the original Little Mermaid story she dies of a broken heart and becomes a wind goddess.

I just remembered something. The story of Cinderella originated in Africa with an Greek slave girl named Rhodopis who marries the Pharoah Amasis II/Ahmose II (a real 26th Dynasty pharoah).

[Raph's Girl]

Looks like there's a casting change. No explination as to why but instead of Angela Bassett (who starting today can be seen in the final season of E.R) voicing Eudora (Tiana's mom) she will be now voiced by Oprah Winfrey. ô,0

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080925/...infreypeople_1

[DrSpengler]

Not that that's a bad change or anything. Just kinda weird.

I guess Disney figured that Oprah's army of loayl followers would ensure a box office success. If Oprah tells the world to see a movie on her TV show, the world will go see that movie.

[NameGoesHere1066]

next they'll have Obama voicing Tiana's long dead father.

Though I grant them that getting oprah involved is a slick move.

[poiuytre]

Finally! I've been saying for years that Oprah has a warm voice that's easy to listen to. She'd be perfect for voice-overs. I approve.

[Sage Ninja]

aww, why not Whippi GoldBerg?

And I can't believe they are having a movie like this and Cree Summer isn't (as far as I know) going to be voicing any one.

[J Legault]

It seem like it was eons since there was an actually Disney 2-D feature film.

The idea for this one looks like a good idea for an animated movie.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by J Legault

It seem like it was eons since there was an actually Disney 2-D feature film.

4 years... going on 5. Of course, they've only had mild success with their homebrewed CGI stuff, taking credit for Valliant and The Wild (which Madagascar was far superior to... if in the only reason being that Jim Belushi wasn't in it). Bolt will no doubt be a success only because they shoved Miley in there as a contractual obligation (I wish they went with the original plotline and 2-D animation)... but other than that, until they can hit another Lion King, Little Mermaid... even Lilo and Stitch, it's going to be milking all Pixar is worth for major successes.

I just hope this film lives up to the hype it produces so they can make more 2-D films. Everyone and their mother's making CGI movies these days.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by J Legault

It seem like it was eons since there was an actually Disney 2-D feature film.

The idea for this one looks like a good idea for an animated movie.

Uh...so you haven't seen Bambi II, Cinderella III, or Little Mermaid III? Those are all 2D films...and good ones at that. Bambi II and Little Mermaid III both deal with the consequences of loosing a mother.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Uh...so you haven't seen Bambi II, Cinderella III, or Little Mermaid III? Those are all 2D films...and good ones at that. Bambi II and Little Mermaid III both deal with the consequences of loosing a mother.

DON'T COUNT! They mean an original theatrical film. No DTV's.

[Raph's Girl]

Whoo! New release date!! The movie has been pushed to an earlier release. Nov 25th in L.A and NY and Dec 11th everywhere else.

http://news.toonzone.net/articles/28...-moved-forward

[ThirdMarioBro]

Schweet!!!

[Archon_Turtle]

I'm working on the games for this property and I have to say I'm actually really enjoying it. And to touch on an earlier question, they may not have used Africa as a setting because that is where the Lion King is set.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

And to touch on an earlier question, they may not have used Africa as a setting because that is where the Lion King is set.

Plus, as is pretty obvious, Princess and Frog isn't really an African Tale. The New Orleans setting gives it a very interesting touch, I think. I mean, how many times can you do France?