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*Anarchistguy* · 03-30-2003, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo_Gecko

How do you know mutagen isn't involved. I hope it is.

"Mutagen" as you call it, isn't in the new toon. It's ooze. Ooze and Mutagen are two diffrent things.

Mondo_Gecko · 03-30-2003, 07:53 PM

Well whats the diffrence? Just the name?

Splinter · 03-30-2003, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by anarchistguy

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Originally Posted by Mondo_Gecko

How do you know mutagen isn't involved. I hope it is.

"Mutagen" as you call it, isn't in the new toon. It's ooze. Ooze and Mutagen are two diffrent things.

Potato vs. Potato. Tomato vs. Tomato. It's still the same stuff, and it does mutate animals, so mutagen is perfectly acceptable. To argue otherwise is just being overly critical. Especially since we haven't had the Utroms say what it is for certain yet.

As for the whole Laird issue, I would have to agree as well. Infact I have a feeling that it was probably Eastman primarily behind the old Toon incarnation. Even though at the time, Laird went along with it. And got alot richer off it, then he did the original Mirage stuff. I guess the incarnation was good enough at the time to fill his bank account, but not now.

Which may have actually led to their falling out. Just judging from the fact that Eastman sold his intrest in TMNT to Laird. And also taking into account, the fact that Eastman still enjoys answering questions about the old TMNT stuff at comic conventions. Where as Laird often comes off as demeaning, rude, and trite in many of his answers.

*Anarchistguy* · 03-30-2003, 08:06 PM

To answer your question Mondo Gecko, mutagen is a substance which turns you into the last creature you were in contact with. But ooze just evolves the the creature's current states. With mutagen, the TMNT became human because they have last been in contact with Hamato Yoshi, who became Splinter 'cause he has been last in contact with the rats. But with ooze, the TMNT and Splinter gradually evolved into humanoid form.

Shellfox · 03-30-2003, 08:09 PM

I can't really add anything to this whole Laird situation, everyone has summed up how I feel pretty well.
But I still have to say one thing: He wants to do this his way fine, its his vision and I can't stop him, but to desrespect the fans is one of the most dangerous things he can do, you get rid of us and hes no where.

Splinter · 03-30-2003, 08:17 PM

Exactly. I'm all for Laird doing it his way. It's his baby, and whether it manages to flourish, or fail will ultimatly rest in his hands. But yes, he has to be careful with his attitude. Disrespecting the core audience, that remebers and loves the old cartoon will not make the new one flourish.

As popular as the Mirage stuff was, it still has a smaller following then the vintage series. So he needs to watch how he responds to questions about the old series. Some of his comments could be considered downright insulting to fans that prefer the old style.

And that only succeds in driving a larger wedge between the "classic" TMNT and "modern" TMNT fans. We've seen that more then enough here, when people mention that they like the older series better. And are met with rude comments judging their intelligence.

Mondo_Gecko · 03-30-2003, 08:19 PM

Thanks anarchistguy.

I perfer mutagen cuz it sounds cooler then ooze.

One of the of the things i love about the cartoon and what I thought always worked best and was the best idea was Hamoto Yoshi becoming Splinter.

Think about it he was Shredder's teacher and a great ninja master, he will always have that between him and Shredhead. It works so well and is one of the best dynamics.

**Nturtle** · 03-30-2003, 10:07 PM

I alwasys liked that factor too, when Shredhead and he fought it was like Master vs. Student, which was kind of cool!!
The movie uses the scratches and the ear in the same kind of way...

~~Reznorite420~~ · 03-31-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by barkworm

Anyway, I don't think that more than two or three seasons will be released on DVD. They won't be that successful.

I'd buy the whole series

~~Reznorite420~~ · 03-31-2003, 12:41 AM

I just read the whole thread, and all I have to say is this:

The only TRUE TMNT fan is one who doesn't ONLY like Mirage, doesn't like ONLY the original toon, or doesn't like ONLY The Next Mutataion, but one who likes EVERY universe with the same respect. The only thing that keeps me from being a true fan is the fact that I abhor The Next Mutation with a passion.

To me, I think trying to compare one TMNT universe with another is like trying to compare an elephant with chocolate syrup.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 03-31-2003, 01:03 AM

Think about it guys, last time around, everyone got to take liberties with the TMNT. So many things were changed and twisted around.
But now, the TMNT are having a "second coming" and Laird has much more controll this time, so he sees this as his big chance to show the public the TMNT as they were intended to be! No tampering!
Now that he's got the money and the approval, he can now do this the way he's always wanted to.
If there is a "third coming" it will probably be more like a combination of the two and may even have a (retooled) Rocksteady and Bebop rivival. Since he'd then have it out of his system. And, if not, I'd still rock!
As for his "rudeness", he probably gets a million "bring back Rocksteady and Bebop" letters a day. And, when you're asked the same question a million times a day you tend to get tired of hearing it and angry at it's asker. So, just put yourself in his shoes. Ok?

**Karpo_007** · 03-31-2003, 02:53 AM

It's is Laird's work now. Of course he wants to make cartoon as the TMNT were originally ment to be. Besides, it is the miniority of fans that want R&B back, so even if he would consider fan's requests, they wouldn't be in it.I think that maybe Laird has gone a little off with the new volume[I heard it lacks action] But he definetly made the right choice about the new cartoon.

If you want the goofy TMNT and millions of mutants, by all means, watch the old show. It has 194 episodes so there is plenty of that.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 03-31-2003, 08:31 AM

I LOVE the original toon, I LOVE the new toon, I LOVE Mirage, the only thing I HATE is The Next Mutation, which, as far as I'm concerned, not even worthy of being called TMNT.

**Karpo_007** · 03-31-2003, 09:49 AM

There are those here that like it to.

**HorseTechie** · 04-01-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

Think about it guys, last time around, everyone got to take liberties with the TMNT. So many things were changed and twisted around.
But now, the TMNT are having a "second coming" and Laird has much more controll this time, so he sees this as his big chance to show the public the TMNT as they were intended to be! No tampering!
Now that he's got the money and the approval, he can now do this the way he's always wanted to.
If there is a "third coming" it will probably be more like a combination of the two and may even have a (retooled) Rocksteady and Bebop rivival. Since he'd then have it out of his system. And, if not, I'd still rock!
As for his "rudeness", he probably gets a million "bring back Rocksteady and Bebop" letters a day. And, when you're asked the same question a million times a day you tend to get tired of hearing it and angry at it's asker. So, just put yourself in his shoes. Ok?

Yes... I totally agree you there, TetsuD.

I know you guys think you are being ignored, and that he should listen to fans... but you kow, I really think they do. I can name a number of fans I know who have good standings with the Mirage folks, and have influenced their thinking. I also think back to the past times my friends and I have wished if Mirage had another go at it, they could try it this or that way. Gritter cartoon, shortened nicknames, more martial arts action, nunchucks, action figures with realistic weapons, etc. Man... forget about the little things you don't have, and look at the AWESOME stuff they DID DO FOR US.

I guess it's my age and experience that understands why Laird seems to be so 'rude'. You try working a 40+ something hour week, trying to get all these demanding tasks and jobs completed 100% by said deadines, and hoping that something else doesn't unexpectantly pop-up to throw you off schedule. Being a comic book creator/artist is a hulleva lot harder than art class in school, and not as fun as doodling something on your notebook while board in chemistry.

Then.. have many, many whiney sounding emails from a broad range of fans email you the same questons over and over, with one person saying to to it this way, while the opposition rather you do it that way... on top of copyright worries and rumor control.

The perfect definition of STRESS! Stress has a way of making nice people go bad. (just ask Raph) Laird, I noticed, seems to be the enbodiment of Don and Leo. And you know those two Turtles also get cranky when put under lots of pressure.

So you know.. how about a little consideration for Mirage too... huh, guys?

**Karpo_007** · 04-01-2003, 12:23 PM

Yeah, it is foolish to say Mirage doesn't listen to it's fans. Most people wanted to see a cartoon show based on the original TMNT, and thats what we got. They can't please everyone, so this might be disapointing the fans of the goofier TMNT, but the TMNT has gone to it's roots, and is staying there.

**HorseTechie** · 04-01-2003, 12:35 PM

Yeah.. which as Kali had mentioned earlier... there is no way Laird could make everyone 100% happy. As soon as one bunch of fans are pleased, the opposing bunch will be upset. In the end, it's simply easier for him and the rest of Mirage to make thier own calculated decisons, and stay there.

I like the new show... the Mirage guys say they like the new show, and the rest of the majority is giving them a good thumbs up... so just let bygones be bygones!

**Karpo_007** · 04-01-2003, 12:39 PM

Yeah. We should be happy we have a great new show.

wyrm · 04-01-2003, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

The world is ready now for serious and more mature TMNT, in a saturday morning cartoon form.

jeez, am i the only one who wants to laugh on saturday mornings?

krang bebop and rocksteady should return(yes i know none of you think they will, i got it) jus to enhance the comedy of this show, sure every once in a while mike will make a stupid crack, but his character is basically raph from the old show, this new toon needs to lighten up

**Karpo_007** · 04-01-2003, 12:57 PM

Thats how TMNT are ment to be. But I wouldn't call it a serious show. It's more like the first movie, combination of original TMNT and Humour.

03-30-2003, 08:06 PM	#44
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	To answer your question Mondo Gecko, mutagen is a substance which turns you into the last creature you were in contact with. But ooze just evolves the the creature's current states. With mutagen, the TMNT became human because they have last been in contact with Hamato Yoshi, who became Splinter 'cause he has been last in contact with the rats. But with ooze, the TMNT and Splinter gradually evolved into humanoid form. __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

03-30-2003, 08:17 PM	#46
Splinter Radical Rat Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splinter's Dojo Posts: 1,531	Exactly. I'm all for Laird doing it his way. It's his baby, and whether it manages to flourish, or fail will ultimatly rest in his hands. But yes, he has to be careful with his attitude. Disrespecting the core audience, that remebers and loves the old cartoon will not make the new one flourish. As popular as the Mirage stuff was, it still has a smaller following then the vintage series. So he needs to watch how he responds to questions about the old series. Some of his comments could be considered downright insulting to fans that prefer the old style. And that only succeds in driving a larger wedge between the "classic" TMNT and "modern" TMNT fans. We've seen that more then enough here, when people mention that they like the older series better. And are met with rude comments judging their intelligence. __________________ R.I.P. Master Splinter - Mirage Comics - May 1984 / June 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - New Episode Guide

03-30-2003, 10:07 PM	#48
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	I alwasys liked that factor too, when Shredhead and he fought it was like Master vs. Student, which was kind of cool!! The movie uses the scratches and the ear in the same kind of way... __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

03-31-2003, 01:03 AM	#51
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Think about it guys, last time around, everyone got to take liberties with the TMNT. So many things were changed and twisted around. But now, the TMNT are having a "second coming" and Laird has much more controll this time, so he sees this as his big chance to show the public the TMNT as they were intended to be! No tampering! Now that he's got the money and the approval, he can now do this the way he's always wanted to. If there is a "third coming" it will probably be more like a combination of the two and may even have a (retooled) Rocksteady and Bebop rivival. Since he'd then have it out of his system. And, if not, I'd still rock! As for his "rudeness", he probably gets a million "bring back Rocksteady and Bebop" letters a day. And, when you're asked the same question a million times a day you tend to get tired of hearing it and angry at it's asker. So, just put yourself in his shoes. Ok? __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

03-30-2003, 07:53 PM	#42
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Well whats the diffrence? Just the name?

03-30-2003, 08:09 PM	#45
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I can't really add anything to this whole Laird situation, everyone has summed up how I feel pretty well. But I still have to say one thing: He wants to do this his way fine, its his vision and I can't stop him, but to desrespect the fans is one of the most dangerous things he can do, you get rid of us and hes no where.

03-30-2003, 08:19 PM	#47
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Thanks anarchistguy. I perfer mutagen cuz it sounds cooler then ooze. One of the of the things i love about the cartoon and what I thought always worked best and was the best idea was Hamoto Yoshi becoming Splinter. Think about it he was Shredder's teacher and a great ninja master, he will always have that between him and Shredhead. It works so well and is one of the best dynamics.

03-31-2003, 12:41 AM	#50
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	I just read the whole thread, and all I have to say is this: The only TRUE TMNT fan is one who doesn't ONLY like Mirage, doesn't like ONLY the original toon, or doesn't like ONLY The Next Mutataion, but one who likes EVERY universe with the same respect. The only thing that keeps me from being a true fan is the fact that I abhor The Next Mutation with a passion. To me, I think trying to compare one TMNT universe with another is like trying to compare an elephant with chocolate syrup.

03-31-2003, 02:53 AM	#52
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	It's is Laird's work now. Of course he wants to make cartoon as the TMNT were originally ment to be. Besides, it is the miniority of fans that want R&B back, so even if he would consider fan's requests, they wouldn't be in it.I think that maybe Laird has gone a little off with the new volume[I heard it lacks action] But he definetly made the right choice about the new cartoon. If you want the goofy TMNT and millions of mutants, by all means, watch the old show. It has 194 episodes so there is plenty of that.

03-31-2003, 08:31 AM	#53
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	I LOVE the original toon, I LOVE the new toon, I LOVE Mirage, the only thing I HATE is The Next Mutation, which, as far as I'm concerned, not even worthy of being called TMNT.

03-31-2003, 09:49 AM	#54
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	There are those here that like it to.

04-01-2003, 12:23 PM	#56
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, it is foolish to say Mirage doesn't listen to it's fans. Most people wanted to see a cartoon show based on the original TMNT, and thats what we got. They can't please everyone, so this might be disapointing the fans of the goofier TMNT, but the TMNT has gone to it's roots, and is staying there.

04-01-2003, 12:35 PM	#57
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	Yeah.. which as Kali had mentioned earlier... there is no way Laird could make everyone 100% happy. As soon as one bunch of fans are pleased, the opposing bunch will be upset. In the end, it's simply easier for him and the rest of Mirage to make thier own calculated decisons, and stay there. I like the new show... the Mirage guys say they like the new show, and the rest of the majority is giving them a good thumbs up... so just let bygones be bygones!

04-01-2003, 12:39 PM	#58
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah. We should be happy we have a great new show.

04-01-2003, 12:57 PM	#60
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Thats how TMNT are ment to be. But I wouldn't call it a serious show. It's more like the first movie, combination of original TMNT and Humour.