The Raphael Thread

**Jester** · 03-28-2011, 12:27 AM

So in the Turtle Duo thread someone asked why we don't just have a thread where we discuss each of the Turtles in each iteration. So here's a thread dedicated to Raph. Which Raph is your favorite Raph? Which Raph gets the most character growth? Which Raph makes you wanna pull youtr hair out?

For me, Rob Paulsen's take on Raphael is what made me a Raphael fan to this day. If it wasn't for his snarky, sarcastic delivery, I'm not sure if he'd be my favorite Turtle. When Raphael is voiced by anyone else, I'm quite disappointed. I have to admit, when I rewatched the European Vacation arc, I actually got to a point where I was okay with the non-Paulsen Raph, but I was happy when I got to season 4 proper, where he was back in full force.

*ssjup81* · 03-28-2011, 12:49 AM

Yes yes yes!! I think that's why I liked Raph so much as a kid! If it hadn't have been for Rob, I probably wouldn't have liked the character as much as I had. Rob was perfect for Raph's sarcastic, smart allecky remarks. I always liked that type of humor. I liked Raph so much, unlike everyone else who would go straight to Mikey for the old games, I'd pick Raph.

I can't say he's my favorite either since it depends on the actual medium. For instance, in Mirage, my fav is Donny followed by Mikey. In the Archie comic, ironically, once again, I'm liking Donny followed by Raph. For the OT series, it was always Raph and after him, Mikey. Revisiting the series, Donny is close to edging over Raph.

Anywho, of course I'll have to go with OT Raph as my favorite Raph and Archie Raph coming in second.

As for best development...I can't really say. The bias in me wants to say Archie because of Ninjara, but Mirage is really good with that too.

*Powder* · 03-28-2011, 01:25 AM

OT Raph rules, I find him somewhat obnoxious in mirage (& image, though I love his becoming the Shredder storyline & all that), somewhat obnoxious in 2k3, pretty cool in the first film, very likable in the second two, overdone in TMNT, OK in Next Mutation, just there in Archie, of no good use in the video games, & I have nothing to say of his new incarnation as it's not out yet.

So all in All, OT Raph is my favorite, I think he's given a lot of personality growth in the third film (I shouldn't have to explain, but if anyone needs me to feel free to ask) and I can't really be bothered with him in the comics. He's often too over the top.

**Jester** · 03-28-2011, 01:42 AM

I'm not sure if I give OT Raph too much credit, by having Raph be my favorite in most mediums. The others come off as just as one note to me. Leo's the defacto leader. Donnie (who I guess I could say is my favorite in the 4Kids series...maybe.) is the brain. Mikey (who I really like in the Mirage and by extension Image Comics) is the "party dude" for lack of a better term. Raph is the angry one, and when done right, that is through snark and wit and not straight up anger (which is Raph in all mediums aside from the OT). So I dunna. I like Raph, dispite his hugly different interpretations across the media.

Icegaze · 03-28-2011, 03:52 AM

1. CGI 07 Raph
2. 2k3 Raph
3. Mirage Raph

OT Raph was annoying. Movies 1 and 2 Raph was okay-ish, I guess. I don't know about the other versions of Raphael.

I'm just hoping that Nick's Raph will kick shell much like the CGI 07 Raph.

**Jester** · 03-28-2011, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Icegaze

OT Raph was annoying.

Sacrilege!

Than again, to each their own.

AcidBurn30 · 03-29-2011, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

So in the Turtle Duo thread someone asked why we don't just have a thread where we discuss each of the Turtles in each iteration. So here's a thread dedicated to Raph. Which Raph is your favorite Raph? Which Raph gets the most character growth? Which Raph makes you wanna pull youtr hair out?

For me, Rob Paulsen's take on Raphael is what made me a Raphael fan to this day. If it wasn't for his snarky, sarcastic delivery, I'm not sure if he'd be my favorite Turtle. When Raphael is voiced by anyone else, I'm quite disappointed. I have to admit, when I rewatched the European Vacation arc, I actually got to a point where I was okay with the non-Paulsen Raph, but I was happy when I got to season 4 proper, where he was back in full force.

wow i can not just pick one. i like comic raph because how smart ass he is and insaine. But i also grew up with 80's toon raph because of his smart ass and funny jokes. But 2k3 is the same as the comic book. But just angery and smart ass..hmmm i'll go with 2k3 because you get to it better.

*Powder* · 03-29-2011, 02:21 AM

What.

What.

RskimB · 03-29-2011, 11:30 PM

Raphael has always been my favorite turtle. Even though he changes moreso than any of the other tmnt I always find myself rooting for him the most. Even if its just for stupid childhood reasons like he has sais and wears red.

The first movie's iteration is usually what I picture when I see Raph the portrayal is just so vivid.

I liked the OT characterization a lot and wish Raph's cynicism and snarkiness would come back in modern versions of Raphael.

I cant even remember Next Mutation.

Image Raph is a bit much. Mirage Raph I like a bit more but he's still rough around the edges.

Although i like 07 and 2k3 Raph I think the focus on his anger gets overblown at times.

cryan · 03-30-2011, 07:13 PM

In the OT Raph was the Han Solo of the group.Very cynical and sarcastic.I love characters like that.Rob Paulsen's delivery was classic.

rufus · 03-30-2011, 09:10 PM

The First movies Raph is my favorite iteration of the character. I always loved the scene where he is silently overlooking the city after the fight between leo and the others. Nothing is said in the scene but just his facial and body language that he gives off, pretty much sums up his character. a bit angry at the world that he wont really be able to walk on in broad daylight and how he and his brothers are the only of thier kind. at least thats what i got from the scene. My other favorite with him is when the turtles come back to thier home only to find it ransacked and thier father figure missing. Then the camera does the pan around raph as he lets off a primal scream clutching his sais.
The OT Raph is my second favorite tied with the mirage raph.
didnt really care to much for the 07 flick and havnt seen to much of the 2003 series.
and its been to long since i have read the image vol 3.

*Guitar_Raph* · 03-30-2011, 10:17 PM

Raph's been the bad boy rebel since the 1990 movie.

He was very mellow in the OT as well as COOTS where he played drums & sax. It was cool that he & Mikey wrote the music & lyrics.

Starting with Next Mutation, Raph got his own set of wheels driving motorcycles. And like Mikey/Turtle Titan, he became Night Watcher in the 2007 movie.

Icegaze · 03-31-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Guitar_Raph

Raph's been the bad boy rebel since the 1990 movie.

You aren't familiar with the Mirage comics, are you?

ryukenden · 04-03-2011, 07:47 AM

Like a lot of people, it's the Fred Wolf toon that introduced me to TMNT.

Fred Wolf Raph: Definitely the joker of the group and I can barely recall times when he was moody.

Movie Raph: Came as a complete shock personality-wise as I was being so used to Raph from the Fred Wolf toon. Certainly got the most focus in pretty much all the movies.

Next Mutation Raph: The only complaint I got is that surfer voice.

4Kids Raph: I would put him in the same league as he is in the movies.

Iroh · 08-07-2011, 11:49 AM

2K3 Raph from Seasons 1-5 is my favorite! He shows the much growth in my opinion. He acts before he speaks and he is not too insubordinate to Leonardo. When Leo lost his Budo spirit to his anger, Raph kept things in line until Leo finished his training with the Ancient One.

raphfan84 · 08-07-2011, 09:10 PM

With out a shadow of a doubt my favorite Raphael would have to be Movie 1. That is exactly how I thought Raphael should be portrayed in a movie after reading some of the comics. I loved how he was really dark, a lone ranger, and could kick a** like no ones business! My next favorite in line would be 2K3 Raph. He was pretty close to the movie 1 counterpart. 3rd would have to honestly be the 2007 movie Raph just for the simple fact that I was ready to see him and Leo actually duke it out. I like Raphael in every movie, and cartoon, I really don't care for the comedy version of Raphael.

Herald7 · 08-07-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by raphfan84

With out a shadow of a doubt my favorite Raphael would have to be Movie 1.

Oh definitely, that character was a triumph of the writers, actor and puppeteer that hasn't gotten enough praise over the years. He had genuine teenage angst yet also humor that showed he was just as weirded out by this world as we were, lol.

Time Mistress · 08-10-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raphfan84

With out a shadow of a doubt my favorite Raphael would have to be Movie 1. That is exactly how I thought Raphael should be portrayed in a movie after reading some of the comics. I loved how he was really dark, a lone ranger, and could kick a** like no ones business! My next favorite in line would be 2K3 Raph. He was pretty close to the movie 1 counterpart. 3rd would have to honestly be the 2007 movie Raph just for the simple fact that I was ready to see him and Leo actually duke it out. I like Raphael in every movie, and cartoon, I really don't care for the comedy version of Raphael.

Ditto for me. I like my Raph ansty and angry and with a NYC accent. Though I'd say movie 1 and movie 4 are tied for me for best portrayal of Raph. Then 2k3. After I saw movie 1, Raph went from being my least favorite turtle to most. Rob Paulson is a helluva VA, but OT Raph never did much of anything for me. (Boy is it going to be weird hearing him do Donatello.)

I only hope Nickolodeon Raph is in the mould of movie/2k3 Raph.

~~JakeSully~~ · 03-13-2012, 04:22 PM

Definitely first movie and Paulsen Ralph are my faves.

shezcrafti · 03-16-2012, 01:03 PM

Movie 1 Raph is the ultimate for me. He's just so freaking badass!! (That's why I made the video that's in my sig.) But more than that, he's sensitive and complex. Despite his anger management issues, you can tell he's fiercely loyal to and protective of his family.

The original toon is what got me into TMNT in the first place and I loved OT Raph back then too, but I remember my world being completely rocked when I saw him in the first film. That portrayal just defines Raphael to me. Loved Josh Pais as his voice, too.

03-28-2011, 12:27 AM	#1
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	The Raphael Thread So in the Turtle Duo thread someone asked why we don't just have a thread where we discuss each of the Turtles in each iteration. So here's a thread dedicated to Raph. Which Raph is your favorite Raph? Which Raph gets the most character growth? Which Raph makes you wanna pull youtr hair out? For me, Rob Paulsen's take on Raphael is what made me a Raphael fan to this day. If it wasn't for his snarky, sarcastic delivery, I'm not sure if he'd be my favorite Turtle. When Raphael is voiced by anyone else, I'm quite disappointed. I have to admit, when I rewatched the European Vacation arc, I actually got to a point where I was okay with the non-Paulsen Raph, but I was happy when I got to season 4 proper, where he was back in full force. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-28-2011, 01:42 AM	#4
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I'm not sure if I give OT Raph too much credit, by having Raph be my favorite in most mediums. The others come off as just as one note to me. Leo's the defacto leader. Donnie (who I guess I could say is my favorite in the 4Kids series...maybe.) is the brain. Mikey (who I really like in the Mirage and by extension Image Comics) is the "party dude" for lack of a better term. Raph is the angry one, and when done right, that is through snark and wit and not straight up anger (which is Raph in all mediums aside from the OT). So I dunna. I like Raph, dispite his hugly different interpretations across the media. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-28-2011, 03:52 AM	#5
Icegaze Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 283	1. CGI 07 Raph 2. 2k3 Raph 3. Mirage Raph OT Raph was annoying. Movies 1 and 2 Raph was okay-ish, I guess. I don't know about the other versions of Raphael. I'm just hoping that Nick's Raph will kick shell much like the CGI 07 Raph. __________________

03-29-2011, 11:30 PM	#9
RskimB Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west coast Posts: 302	Raphael has always been my favorite turtle. Even though he changes moreso than any of the other tmnt I always find myself rooting for him the most. Even if its just for stupid childhood reasons like he has sais and wears red. The first movie's iteration is usually what I picture when I see Raph the portrayal is just so vivid. I liked the OT characterization a lot and wish Raph's cynicism and snarkiness would come back in modern versions of Raphael. I cant even remember Next Mutation. Image Raph is a bit much. Mirage Raph I like a bit more but he's still rough around the edges. Although i like 07 and 2k3 Raph I think the focus on his anger gets overblown at times. __________________ leswrite.com

03-30-2011, 09:10 PM	#11
rufus Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lawrenceville,Georgia Posts: 780	The First movies Raph is my favorite iteration of the character. I always loved the scene where he is silently overlooking the city after the fight between leo and the others. Nothing is said in the scene but just his facial and body language that he gives off, pretty much sums up his character. a bit angry at the world that he wont really be able to walk on in broad daylight and how he and his brothers are the only of thier kind. at least thats what i got from the scene. My other favorite with him is when the turtles come back to thier home only to find it ransacked and thier father figure missing. Then the camera does the pan around raph as he lets off a primal scream clutching his sais. The OT Raph is my second favorite tied with the mirage raph. didnt really care to much for the 07 flick and havnt seen to much of the 2003 series. and its been to long since i have read the image vol 3. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/edgartooms ^TMNT Stopmotions.

03-28-2011, 12:49 AM	#2
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Yes yes yes!! I think that's why I liked Raph so much as a kid! If it hadn't have been for Rob, I probably wouldn't have liked the character as much as I had. Rob was perfect for Raph's sarcastic, smart allecky remarks. I always liked that type of humor. I liked Raph so much, unlike everyone else who would go straight to Mikey for the old games, I'd pick Raph. I can't say he's my favorite either since it depends on the actual medium. For instance, in Mirage, my fav is Donny followed by Mikey. In the Archie comic, ironically, once again, I'm liking Donny followed by Raph. For the OT series, it was always Raph and after him, Mikey. Revisiting the series, Donny is close to edging over Raph. Anywho, of course I'll have to go with OT Raph as my favorite Raph and Archie Raph coming in second. As for best development...I can't really say. The bias in me wants to say Archie because of Ninjara, but Mirage is really good with that too.

03-28-2011, 01:25 AM	#3
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,955	OT Raph rules, I find him somewhat obnoxious in mirage (& image, though I love his becoming the Shredder storyline & all that), somewhat obnoxious in 2k3, pretty cool in the first film, very likable in the second two, overdone in TMNT, OK in Next Mutation, just there in Archie, of no good use in the video games, & I have nothing to say of his new incarnation as it's not out yet. So all in All, OT Raph is my favorite, I think he's given a lot of personality growth in the third film (I shouldn't have to explain, but if anyone needs me to feel free to ask) and I can't really be bothered with him in the comics. He's often too over the top.

03-29-2011, 02:21 AM	#8
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,955	What. What.

03-30-2011, 07:13 PM	#10
cryan Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Athens,AL Posts: 743	In the OT Raph was the Han Solo of the group.Very cynical and sarcastic.I love characters like that.Rob Paulsen's delivery was classic.

03-30-2011, 10:17 PM	#12
Guitar_Raph Superhero musician Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,191	Raph's been the bad boy rebel since the 1990 movie. He was very mellow in the OT as well as COOTS where he played drums & sax. It was cool that he & Mikey wrote the music & lyrics. Starting with Next Mutation, Raph got his own set of wheels driving motorcycles. And like Mikey/Turtle Titan, he became Night Watcher in the 2007 movie. __________________ Mikey drums with nunchucks! Last edited by Guitar_Raph; 03-31-2011 at 09:18 PM.

04-03-2011, 07:47 AM	#14
ryukenden Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 383	Like a lot of people, it's the Fred Wolf toon that introduced me to TMNT. Fred Wolf Raph: Definitely the joker of the group and I can barely recall times when he was moody. Movie Raph: Came as a complete shock personality-wise as I was being so used to Raph from the Fred Wolf toon. Certainly got the most focus in pretty much all the movies. Next Mutation Raph: The only complaint I got is that surfer voice. 4Kids Raph: I would put him in the same league as he is in the movies.

08-07-2011, 11:49 AM	#15
Iroh Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: United States Posts: 546	2K3 Raph from Seasons 1-5 is my favorite! He shows the much growth in my opinion. He acts before he speaks and he is not too insubordinate to Leonardo. When Leo lost his Budo spirit to his anger, Raph kept things in line until Leo finished his training with the Ancient One. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/yurushiigaming

08-07-2011, 09:10 PM	#16
raphfan84 Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Winston-Salem NC. Posts: 630	With out a shadow of a doubt my favorite Raphael would have to be Movie 1. That is exactly how I thought Raphael should be portrayed in a movie after reading some of the comics. I loved how he was really dark, a lone ranger, and could kick a** like no ones business! My next favorite in line would be 2K3 Raph. He was pretty close to the movie 1 counterpart. 3rd would have to honestly be the 2007 movie Raph just for the simple fact that I was ready to see him and Leo actually duke it out. I like Raphael in every movie, and cartoon, I really don't care for the comedy version of Raphael.

03-13-2012, 04:22 PM	#19
~~JakeSully~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 782	Definitely first movie and Paulsen Ralph are my faves.

03-16-2012, 01:03 PM	#20
shezcrafti Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: The East warehouse over at Lairdman island. Posts: 367	Movie 1 Raph is the ultimate for me. He's just so freaking badass!! (That's why I made the video that's in my sig.) But more than that, he's sensitive and complex. Despite his anger management issues, you can tell he's fiercely loyal to and protective of his family. The original toon is what got me into TMNT in the first place and I loved OT Raph back then too, but I remember my world being completely rocked when I saw him in the first film. That portrayal just defines Raphael to me. Loved Josh Pais as his voice, too. __________________ Shellebrating 25+ Years of TMNT History [Infographic] All of Raphael's Badassery in One Video Spoiler: