Spillover of Nick cartoon stuff into IDW comic?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jester

but it is a matter of preference.

True, but I don't see how you can apply the same voice to a 400 pound behemoth and a slender mutant alley-cat.

[Jester]

Kinda like this...

[Killer Moth]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Actually, I'm pretty sure they began work on the Nicktoon before IDW even made the pitch to get the license.

I'm sure of that, but details are quite fluid and change all the time. Using Spider-Man '94 as an example, Vulture's animated design was actually used in a 94 comic, yet the series didn't get around to using him in 95 or 96. The design was already there, but the show had more pressing priorities, which allowed the comic to get around to it sooner.

Of course, animation time is now easier with a CGI series, vs. traditional cel episodes which take 6-9 months to produce. The former obviously makes it easier to add or subtract as you go.

Nonetheless, I am interested in the cross-media appeal, as the OT's middle years -- specifically Season 7 -- drew well from it, for example. Moreover, Mirage didn't do too badly with the introduction of Hun and the Battle Nexus. As long as the book remains relatively intact to its original intent or theme, I'm all for it.

[ToTheNines]

Oh yeah Jester?

Originally Posted by Killer Moth

I'm sure of that, but details are quite fluid and change all the time. Using Spider-Man '94 as an example, Vulture's animated design was actually used in a 94 comic, yet the series didn't get around to using him in 95 or 96. The design was already there, but the show had more pressing priorities, which allowed the comic to get around to it sooner.

Ah, understood.

[Xav]

If Clancy Brown should be voicing anyone it should be Hun.

[ToTheNines]

Personally I think he's going to be Leatherhead.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by TomWaltz

Honestly, I've seen everything you folks have seen. Nothing to report other than I'm excited to see how it all comes together. I definitely love the toys they've been previewing.

Cool, cool. I agree that the toys look neat, and the creators seem passionate. Still, some of the previews have me a tad worried. Bah, but who am I to worry about a children's cartoon?

Guess we'll find out soon enough...

[TomWaltz]

Originally Posted by Powder

Then why do you mostly pull from just one of them (the OT)?

Mostly just to irritate you, Powder, of course.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I got to agree with Powder. So far it seems things are being pulled from the the OT pretty exclusively. I think you're doing a good job on the title over all but it feels like the OT just a little darker.

[CyberCubed]

The problem with sticking too closely to Mirage is it was done before, twice. The 4kids cartoon was already essentially a "reimagining" of many Mirage stories, albeit a bit dumbed down because it was a kids cartoon.

The other thing is the first movie was also a loose adaption of the early Mirage stories.

Do we really need to see the Mirage stuff rehashed a third time? I'd like to see some stuff taken from it, but not everything.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I'm not saying it has to be Mirage, what I'm saying is it seems to be influenced heavily by the OT. I really dig Old Hob. I think he is a great addition to the mythos. Seeing the team bringing in their own thing is great. I even dig Tom's new origin, though it took me a little getting used to. I'd like to see Tom and the guys do their own thing and not rely as heavily pulling from the OT.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by TomWaltz

Mostly just to irritate you, Powder, of course.

Thanks for the honest answer.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The problem with sticking too closely to Mirage is it was done before, twice. The 4kids cartoon was already essentially a "reimagining" of many Mirage stories, albeit a bit dumbed down because it was a kids cartoon.The other thing is the first movie was also a loose adaption of the early Mirage stories.

But were getting what looks like rehashed stories. The upcoming issues sound very much like what happened in Mirage and adapted by the first movie and 4kids series.

Do we really need to see the Mirage stuff rehashed a third time? I'd like to see some stuff taken from it, but not everything.

Do we really need any stuff rehashed? Even with the new twists did we really need an origin or setting up the basics of Mousers and Foot ninja if we're essentialy leading to the same status quo that we've seen throughout every version.

I'd say the vast majority of people who would be inclined to pick up a TMNT book from IDW would have experienced these stories before in one form or another so you could argue we're the only audience that doesn't need it.

[Andrew NDB]

To me, questions like "Do we really need to see X happen again?" or "Do we want X rehashed? How unimaginative of IDW!" seem odd.

This is a new universe and the #1 target audience they're coveting is not the 1,500 or whatever active fans on this forum or even, sadly, the 3,000 fans who were reading Tales of the TMNT Vol. 2... their #1 audience is everybody else. To a large degree, I would hope, this means making things accessible and open to people who have never been TMNT fans... who have never seen April's store burn down, or the Turtles fighting mousers, or the Turtles fighting Shredder on a rooftop.

So what if we're seeing a few shades of old events being redone?

[TomWaltz]

Originally Posted by Galactus

But were getting what looks like rehashed stories. The upcoming issues sound very much like what happened in Mirage and adapted by the first movie and 4kids series.



Do we really need any stuff rehashed? Even with the new twists did we really need an origin or setting up the basics of Mousers and Foot ninja if we're essentialy leading to the same status quo that we've seen throughout every version.

I'd say the vast majority of people who would be inclined to pick up a TMNT book from IDW would have experienced these stories before in one form or another so you could argue we're the only audience that doesn't need it.

I see what you're saying, but I like to think of things like the inclusions of the Mousers in our books so far as more of an homage to what's come before -- respect from us to those who've paved the green road that's brought us to the IDW TMNT comics.

That said, we're gonna start moving into some uncharted territory now and have plenty of NEW surprises in store for both old and new readers -- stuff you've not seen in TMNT comics before. Some of what we have planned is -- if you don't mind my saying -- pretty damn crazy!

Thanks for joining us on the ride!

Tom

[Powder]

I understand the idea behind that, but the Mousers have been in everything. The comics, the OT, the 4kids series. Not really a call back to the comic books in the eyes of casual fans.

I'd like to say I look forward to "stuff you've not seen in TMNT comics before" but I didn't see any of this OT stuff in comics before and I'm not really feelin' it.

[MikeandRaph87]

Its the best use of the Mousers so far. I like there is more than one version running around and serve slightly different functions. I like new twist on old characters that deserve attention. Krang is another great example of that!

Though how much of the reincarnation that is IDW's thing will playout into the overall story planned out? Call me curious.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Galactus

But were getting what looks like rehashed stories. The upcoming issues sound very much like what happened in Mirage and adapted by the first movie and 4kids series.



Do we really need any stuff rehashed? Even with the new twists did we really need an origin or setting up the basics of Mousers and Foot ninja if we're essentialy leading to the same status quo that we've seen throughout every version.

I'd say the vast majority of people who would be inclined to pick up a TMNT book from IDW would have experienced these stories before in one form or another so you could argue we're the only audience that doesn't need it.

I do expect some reused storylines. If Baxter didn't have any Mousers I'd raise an eyebrow. If Rat King and Leatherhead never show up I'll be shocked.

If Shredder doesn't come back from being defeated or the dead at least once I'll be surprised. If the Turtles don't lose a huge battle to the Foot I would wonder why not.

Some old stories are expected, yes. But the 4kids series brought plenty of new ideas to the table while adapting Mirage material. Hun, Bishop, Ch'rell, Battle Nexus, the Triceratons invading Earth, etc.

I expect IDW to do new things as we've seen with Old Hob and the reincarnation angle.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I do expect some reused storylines. If Baxter didn't have any Mousers I'd raise an eyebrow. If Rat King and Leatherhead never show up I'll be shocked.

If Shredder doesn't come back from being defeated or the dead at least once I'll be surprised. If the Turtles don't lose a huge battle to the Foot I would wonder why not.

Some old stories are expected, yes. But the 4kids series brought plenty of new ideas to the table while adapting Mirage material. Hun, Bishop, Ch'rell, Battle Nexus, the Triceratons invading Earth, etc.

I expect IDW to do new things as we've seen with Old Hob and the reincarnation angle.

I think I agree with all of this sentiment.

I still kind of finding myself standing back with arms crossed, waiting to see what the eventual status quo will be, and what that will resemble. Or maybe this is in vain and the status quo will prove to be the lack of a status quo... a constant sense of a rug being pulled out from under the Turtles and onto the next thing. I guess that'd be a valid approach, though it might suggest a certain lack of confidence in the Turtles "working"... kind of -- but not quite -- in the same sense that, you know, the comics out there today that seem to rely on either constant, back-to-back "Big Events" or guest spots or crossovers by bigger, more established characters. When the characters are never allowed to sit back and breathe for a time, find their place in things, that to me suggests a certain wariness by TPTB that: "Uh oh... this book might not do so good if we do that." This sense of... keep the ball moving real fast so no one ever really has a chance to sit back and notice the cracks in it all (cracks that are either real or only imagined/feared by TPTB).

Not saying that's what's going on or even what I think is going on, just laying out my thoughts at the moment.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I think I agree with all of this sentiment.

I still kind of finding myself standing back with arms crossed, waiting to see what the eventual status quo will be, and what that will resemble. Or maybe this is in vain and the status quo will prove to be the lack of a status quo... a constant sense of a rug being pulled out from under the Turtles and onto the next thing. I guess that'd be a valid approach, though it might suggest a certain lack of confidence in the Turtles "working"... kind of -- but not quite -- in the same sense that, you know, the comics out there today that seem to rely on either constant, back-to-back "Big Events" or guest spots or crossovers by bigger, more established characters. When the characters are never allowed to sit back and breathe for a time, find their place in things, that to me suggests a certain wariness by TPTB that: "Uh oh... this book might not do so good if we do that." You know, this sense of... keep the ball moving so no one ever really has a chance to sit back and notice the cracks in it all.

I almost feel like the first entire 10 issues will set the status quo. Considering the Turtles eventually meet April somewhere around issue 10 as well as Shredder debuts, that should finally be it.

Its interesting to note that Mirage could tell the entire backstory, have the first Foot and Shredder fight, and debut April/Baxter/Mousers all in the span of 1-2 issues. Even though the page count was higher, it still went much faster back then. Its almost as if in modern comics things need to be slowly shown over time, rather than how it used to be done.

In a way it reminds me of Volume 4. Everyone knows how slowly paced it was, and the waits for the plots to continue went on forever. Its only now that you can read roughly 30 issues of Volume 4 back to back that there is no problem.

I am enjoying the IDW series but it does feel like its taking a while just for everything to be set in motion. Either way I am sure I will follow this series until the day it ends...which hopefully won't be for at least 5 years from now...hopefully longer.