Things you didnt like about 2k3 tmnt - Page 3

LeoNerdo · 07-29-2013, 11:18 PM

Other than the music I don't really like the color palette on the 2k3 show either. Lots of blues/purples/green.

MothraLeo · 08-09-2013, 02:21 AM

This is by far my favorite series, but I did not watch anything after the second episode of Flash Forward. It was such a downward spiral I didn't want to ruin the series in my memory.

Bossa Nova · 08-09-2013, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MothraLeo

This is by far my favorite series, but I did not watch anything after the second episode of Flash Forward. It was such a downward spiral I didn't want to ruin the series in my memory.

That's a shame. If you were able to sit through the monstrosity of the Ninja Tribunal Arc, you really should give Fast Forward and BttS a chance. True, they have a very different feel and approach to the turtles than previous seasons, but they contain some very interesting ideas and villains (Dark Turtles always springs to mind) to be explored.

*TheBlueTurtle1* · 08-09-2013, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

That's a shame. If you were able to sit through the monstrosity of the Ninja Tribunal Arc, you really should give Fast Forward and BttS a chance. True, they have a very different feel and approach to the turtles than previous seasons, but they contain some very interesting ideas and villains (Dark Turtles always springs to mind) to be explored.

couldn't agree more with this.^

*CyberCubed* · 08-09-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MothraLeo

This is by far my favorite series, but I did not watch anything after the second episode of Flash Forward. It was such a downward spiral I didn't want to ruin the series in my memory.

FF has some of the best episodes of the entire series. There are also some BTTS that are good too.

*Refractive Reflections* · 08-09-2013, 11:51 AM

Wait a minute, I think I hear something.

I think that's alliance loading up these posts as ammunition for this viewpoint.

Yeah, a lot of these posts are hitting the spot, but here are some prominent ones of mine:

-Dumbing down of Casey
-Making Raph and Mikey into one-dimensional characters
-Overemphasis on Leonardo getting the "serious" character growth in comparison to the other brothers. (I enjoyed the depth but it should be even between all four though.)
-Shredder actually being an alien criminal Ch'rell
-Poor comedy at times
-The Ninja Tribunal Season
-Mikey's annoying character
-The melodrama (i.e. when the Turtles, April, and Casey are locked in the freezer closet at April's store when Ch'rell attacks; and after cutting the gas line, he slowly walks away and gives part of his "Pheonix from the ashes" speech rather than the logical approach of running the heck out of there); it was times like these that garnered a laugh from me more than the actual intended comedy at times.

*CyberCubed* · 08-09-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JYX

-The melodrama (i.e. when the Turtles, April, and Casey are locked in the freezer closet at April's store when Ch'rell attacks; and after cutting the gas line, he slowly walks away and gives part of his "Pheonix from the ashes" speech rather than the logical approach of running the heck out of there); it was times like these that garnered a laugh from me more than the actual intended comedy at times.

That line of Shredder's was lifted directly from the Mirage comics.

*Refractive Reflections* · 08-09-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That line of Shredder's was lifted directly from the Mirage comics.

But just curious, was that used in the exact same setting though when the store is burning around and slowly walking out with a gas line already cut?

*AT-Man* · 08-09-2013, 12:37 PM

I still don't know how to feel about Ch'rell being the Shredder. I don't love it, but hate is too strong a word too. I just accept what I can't change and work with it.

The only gripe I really have is that the last two seasons weren't as good, but I rather take them over having nothing at all. Even though time traveling is just complete bee es everytime ever.

*Shark_Blade* · 08-09-2013, 12:47 PM

Utrom Shredder.

Ew.

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Originally Posted by PApagreg

I loved the 2k3 tmnt but there are some flaws or peeves that I always hated
The dumbing down of Casey
April becoming a ninja master in a short time

Yeah Casey was like a brainless cliche jock as opposed to the loveable psychopath in OT.

*pannoni1* · 08-09-2013, 04:08 PM

-Not enough comic relief, especially outside of FF and BTTS
-The pacing is generally either too fast or too stretched out
-Michelangelo, especially after the Battle Nexus Championship being too cocky and big-mouthed
-Ugly Utrom designs
-No Shredder wars
-Confusing Ninja Tribunal arc
-Tacky April outfit
-The lack of originality (direct adaptions of Mirage that didn't do much justice) along with new-for-4kids characters that are rather lame and remain not very popular, along with too many filler episodes
-The animation of FF and especially BTTS
-Some of the voice acting, especially for the secondary characters and one-shots.
-And of course, Turtles forever pigeonholing the OT Turtles.

MothraLeo · 08-10-2013, 07:04 PM

hmm...maybe I'll have to give BTTS another shot. I really didn't like FF tho.

Also, I actually liked the Ninja Tribunal arc.

*Prowler* · 08-11-2013, 07:58 PM

It was a good show overall and I liked it for the most part, but some things bothered me:

- Michelangelo acting like an annoying retard for the most part after season 1.
- Ninja Tribunal arc. Is this Ninja Turtles or a Naruto ripoff? Gee, it was bad enough that the cartoon had subtle anime elements already, and then they decided to turn it int oa pseudo-anime.
- Theme song being step down from the FW toon.
- A lot of the humor being unfunny.
- Filler episodes sucked for the most part.
- Trying to be more serious and mature than it actually was. It made the show kinda pretentious. Even when I was a kid I kinda felt that way about it. Nowadays, as an adult, it looks even more pretentious. The lame humor ruined the mood a lot of time.
- The Ancient One.
- The quality dropping after season 4.
- Too much focus on Leo. Okay I get it, he is the Turtle's leader, but focus on each Turtle equally, okay?
- Casey Jones being an annoying retard who got his ass handed to him from season 2 on.
- An inferior rogues gallery to the OT. The only good original villains were Bishop and Hun. And it's not like Hun was an amazing character. Also, mutants, except for the Turtles, Splinter and Leatherhead were nothing but mindless monsters.

Technogeek29 · 08-11-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

It was a good show overall and I liked it for the most part, but some things bothered me:

- Michelangelo acting like an annoying retard for the most part after season 1.
- Ninja Tribunal arc. Is this Ninja Turtles or a Naruto ripoff? Gee, it was bad enough that the cartoon had subtle anime elements already, and then they decided to turn it int oa pseudo-anime.
- Theme song being step down from the FW toon.
- A lot of the humor being unfunny.
- Filler episodes sucked for the most part.
- Trying to be more serious and mature than it actually was. It made the show kinda pretentious. Even when I was a kid I kinda felt that way about it. Nowadays, as an adult, it looks even more pretentious. The lame humor ruined the mood a lot of time.
- The Ancient One.
- The quality dropping after season 4.
- Too much focus on Leo. Okay I get it, he is the Turtle's leader, but focus on each Turtle equally, okay?
- Casey Jones being an annoying retard who got his ass handed to him from season 2 on.
- An inferior rogues gallery to the OT. The only good original villains were Bishop and Hun. And it's not like Hun was an amazing character. Also, mutants, except for the Turtles, Splinter and Leatherhead were nothing but mindless monsters.

I Never see Mr. Touch and Mr. Go mentioned. Is the general consensus, is that they weren't very well liked? Bishop of course seems to be a huge fan favorite and Hun who is a face to Purple Dragons.

*CyberCubed* · 08-11-2013, 10:01 PM

I liked Tough and Go, but they only appeared in 2 episodes so there's not much to say.

Technogeek29 · 08-11-2013, 10:09 PM

I know, I wish they were showcased more. These guys can take missles to the face, Falling 7 stories getting hit by a helicopter which explodes and walk away. And they could've been an antagonist to Mikey who was in both episodes they appeared in.

*snake* · 08-11-2013, 10:26 PM

Leo Overload
Annoying Mikey
Dumb Casey
Ch'rell and the whole Shredder stuff
BTTS
Karai
City At War
Terrible Fillers
4kids weird way of airing episodes (S4 after FF.)
Being on a largely hated channel
Butchering Mirage Stories
The Theme song

And that's about it.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 08-11-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by snakeweed101

Leo Overload
Annoying Mikey
Dumb Casey
Ch'rell and the whole Shredder stuff
BTTS
Karai
City At War
Terrible Fillers
4kids weird way of airing episodes (S4 after FF.)
Being on a largely hated channel
Butchering Mirage Stories
The Theme song

And that's about it.

Most of these aren't really valid when you say "butchering Mirage stories" because a lot of what you list here just boils down to that, and Peter Laird invested a lot of his own creativity and money into this show and was at the forefront of Mirage during the time that this show was on the air. My only complaint about this series would be the lack of respect it seems to command now from TMNT fans these days, it isn't that this show was "bad," its just that Nickelodeon has a better team working on their show and a bigger budget, they've managed to produce a better product and in contrast, the 2003 series doesn't seem so great. A lot of people felt the same way about the Fred Wolf series when the 2003 series aired, because in contrast to the Fred Wolf show, the 2003 series feels VERY Mirage and very ambitious. Some people hate on the 2007 movie as well, while others really enjoyed it for what it was.

**Jester** · 08-11-2013, 11:29 PM

Post Battle Nexus Mikey and the fact that the lesson in Unconvincing Turtle Titan was undone by subsequent Turtle Titan episodes.

*CyberCubed* · 08-11-2013, 11:31 PM

This thread should be closed. Some of the complaints in this thread aren't even legitimate. (it aired on an obscure channel....wtf?)

08-09-2013, 11:51 AM	#46
Refractive Reflections Mad Scientist $Refractive Reflections's Avatar$ Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,371	Wait a minute, I think I hear something. I think that's alliance loading up these posts as ammunition for this viewpoint. Yeah, a lot of these posts are hitting the spot, but here are some prominent ones of mine: -Dumbing down of Casey -Making Raph and Mikey into one-dimensional characters -Overemphasis on Leonardo getting the "serious" character growth in comparison to the other brothers. (I enjoyed the depth but it should be even between all four though.) -Shredder actually being an alien criminal Ch'rell -Poor comedy at times -The Ninja Tribunal Season -Mikey's annoying character -The melodrama (i.e. when the Turtles, April, and Casey are locked in the freezer closet at April's store when Ch'rell attacks; and after cutting the gas line, he slowly walks away and gives part of his "Pheonix from the ashes" speech rather than the logical approach of running the heck out of there); it was times like these that garnered a laugh from me more than the actual intended comedy at times.
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08-09-2013, 12:37 PM	#49
AT-Man I SEEN IT Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: FIN Posts: 2,206	I still don't know how to feel about Ch'rell being the Shredder. I don't love it, but hate is too strong a word too. I just accept what I can't change and work with it. The only gripe I really have is that the last two seasons weren't as good, but I rather take them over having nothing at all. Even though time traveling is just complete bee es everytime ever. __________________ Through the Golden Door

08-09-2013, 04:08 PM	#51
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	-Not enough comic relief, especially outside of FF and BTTS -The pacing is generally either too fast or too stretched out -Michelangelo, especially after the Battle Nexus Championship being too cocky and big-mouthed -Ugly Utrom designs -No Shredder wars -Confusing Ninja Tribunal arc -Tacky April outfit -The lack of originality (direct adaptions of Mirage that didn't do much justice) along with new-for-4kids characters that are rather lame and remain not very popular, along with too many filler episodes -The animation of FF and especially BTTS -Some of the voice acting, especially for the secondary characters and one-shots. -And of course, Turtles forever pigeonholing the OT Turtles. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

08-11-2013, 11:29 PM	#59
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Post Battle Nexus Mikey and the fact that the lesson in Unconvincing Turtle Titan was undone by subsequent Turtle Titan episodes. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

07-29-2013, 11:18 PM	#41
LeoNerdo Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 872	Other than the music I don't really like the color palette on the 2k3 show either. Lots of blues/purples/green.

08-09-2013, 02:21 AM	#42
MothraLeo Random Punk Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Colorado Posts: 42	This is by far my favorite series, but I did not watch anything after the second episode of Flash Forward. It was such a downward spiral I didn't want to ruin the series in my memory.

08-10-2013, 07:04 PM	#52
MothraLeo Random Punk Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Colorado Posts: 42	hmm...maybe I'll have to give BTTS another shot. I really didn't like FF tho. Also, I actually liked the Ninja Tribunal arc.

08-11-2013, 07:58 PM	#53
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,999	It was a good show overall and I liked it for the most part, but some things bothered me: - Michelangelo acting like an annoying retard for the most part after season 1. - Ninja Tribunal arc. Is this Ninja Turtles or a Naruto ripoff? Gee, it was bad enough that the cartoon had subtle anime elements already, and then they decided to turn it int oa pseudo-anime. - Theme song being step down from the FW toon. - A lot of the humor being unfunny. - Filler episodes sucked for the most part. - Trying to be more serious and mature than it actually was. It made the show kinda pretentious. Even when I was a kid I kinda felt that way about it. Nowadays, as an adult, it looks even more pretentious. The lame humor ruined the mood a lot of time. - The Ancient One. - The quality dropping after season 4. - Too much focus on Leo. Okay I get it, he is the Turtle's leader, but focus on each Turtle equally, okay? - Casey Jones being an annoying retard who got his ass handed to him from season 2 on. - An inferior rogues gallery to the OT. The only good original villains were Bishop and Hun. And it's not like Hun was an amazing character. Also, mutants, except for the Turtles, Splinter and Leatherhead were nothing but mindless monsters.

08-11-2013, 10:01 PM	#55
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,899	I liked Tough and Go, but they only appeared in 2 episodes so there's not much to say.

08-11-2013, 10:09 PM	#56
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	I know, I wish they were showcased more. These guys can take missles to the face, Falling 7 stories getting hit by a helicopter which explodes and walk away. And they could've been an antagonist to Mikey who was in both episodes they appeared in.

08-11-2013, 10:26 PM	#57
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Leo Overload Annoying Mikey Dumb Casey Ch'rell and the whole Shredder stuff BTTS Karai City At War Terrible Fillers 4kids weird way of airing episodes (S4 after FF.) Being on a largely hated channel Butchering Mirage Stories The Theme song And that's about it.

08-11-2013, 11:31 PM	#60
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,899	This thread should be closed. Some of the complaints in this thread aren't even legitimate. (it aired on an obscure channel....wtf?)