Pocket Monsters: The Origin - Page 3

Megchan · 10-02-2013, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

You act as though you have seen it. Has it even been released in Japan yet?It will not air dubbed until November 15th.

What is up with Squirtle kissing Charmander's cheek to beat him in battle?

Squirtle wasn't kissing Charmander's cheek. He was biting it!

*Allio* · 10-02-2013, 11:28 PM

Did a music video of the special

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

You act as though you have seen it. Has it even been released in Japan yet?It will not air dubbed until November 15th.

What is up with Squirtle kissing Charmander's cheek to beat him in battle?

It aired yesterday in Japan

Peanut · 10-02-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuxedo Moroboshi

No, I'm basing my assumption on that it's only an hour and 49 minutes, last I heard.

I am aware of the inclusion of Charizard, as well as the appearances of Lance and Giovanni (how they're implemented, exactly, I'm not sure). But there's no way they could cram more than one gym battle unless they gloss over all the stuff that comes before Brock's gym (and stuff that happens in-between gym battles).

Well, you're wrong, because that's exactly what it is.

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

You act as though you have seen it. Has it even been released in Japan yet?It will not air dubbed until November 15th.

It is and it's already online everywhere, though only in Japanese without subs. I watched some of it tonight and it seems neat, but it's absolutely break-neck with its pace.

Tuxedo Moroboshi · 10-03-2013, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cure

Wow, that looks pretty brutal. I'm reminded of the line from the first movie "Pokemon weren't meant to fight. Not like this."

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Originally Posted by Peanut

Well, you're wrong, because that's exactly what it is.

Except that according to Allio, who's seen it,

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So just as I said, the only way they could do this was either by glossing over a bunch of stuff or making things go by much faster than they should. But whatever, I really don't want to continue this discussion with you anymore. If it makes you feel any better, I'll just say that you're right and I'm wrong. Congratulations on winning an internet argument about how much they can stuff into a Pokemon special that runs under two hours.

For the record, I only assumed they weren't going to do that for the reasons I already stated (it just really sounds like a bad idea to try and stuff so much into so little time), which brings me to what you said next...

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Originally Posted by Peanut

it's absolutely break-neck with its pace.

I haven't seen it yet myself, but hearing this really worries me. I was hoping this wouldn't be what they were going to do. Hopefully it'll still be enjoyable, though, as I've really been looking forward to this special.

Peanut · 10-03-2013, 09:10 AM

Lol. Defensive. We knew from the beginning it was about the entire game. If you missed that fact and assumed otherwise then that's your own problem. There was never a way they were going to take their time and develop every facet of it the way they can in the games.

Tuxedo Moroboshi · 10-03-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

Lol. Defensive.

Dude, seriously, what the hell's your problem with me? Look, I admit to having made a mistake. But you still could have been a bit nicer about correcting me. I was willing to believe that maybe I just misinterpreted some of your earlier comments, but right now I feel that you are trying to condescend, and I really don't appreciate that.

*CyberCubed* · 10-03-2013, 04:50 PM

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

That's also why Misty didn't get a speaking role like Brock did, they do not give a crap about old school Pokemon fans.

*The Stryker* · 10-03-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

That's also why Misty didn't get a speaking role like Brock did, they do not give a crap about old school Pokemon fans.

Nobody gives a crap about Misty.

*Allio* · 10-03-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

That's also why Misty didn't get a speaking role like Brock did, they do not give a crap about old school Pokemon fans.

Who even likes misty? heck aside from Brock and Giovanni, all the other Gym Leaders are pratically filler in the game (heck Brock could even be considered filler)

*MikeandRaph87* · 10-03-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Megchan

Squirtle wasn't kissing Charmander's cheek. He was biting it!

I know but bite attack in animation looks wierd. It looked like a guming kiss.

Ailo and Stryker, I like both Brock and Misty. Ash was the one that was dull to me. There were both interesting and played well off Ash.

It came yesterday in Japan? As long as it a legal download that will not screw the computer, how about sending me a link in a PM?

*Cure* · 10-03-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I know but bite attack in animation looks wierd. It looked like a guming kiss.

I'm sure you're the only one who would think that.

*CyberCubed* · 10-03-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

Nobody gives a crap about Misty.

The pre-Togepi version of Misty was great. Its only after she gets stuck with the baby egg pokemon that she generally becomes a boring character until she winds up getting axed.

Still considering most nostalgic pokemon fans only know Misty/Brock thanks to the popularity of the first season, its surprising that the Origins special only focused on Brock.

Peanut · 10-03-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuxedo Moroboshi

Dude, seriously, what the hell's your problem with me? Look, I admit to having made a mistake. But you still could have been a bit nicer about correcting me. I was willing to believe that maybe I just misinterpreted some of your earlier comments, but right now I feel that you are trying to condescend, and I really don't appreciate that.

You're confusing me for someone who's invested in any kind of conversation, negative or positive, with you. I'm not. Sorry for being so blunt.

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Originally Posted by Cyberdipsh*t

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

Yup. They made a movie-length special so they could squeeze in a quick Pokemon X-Y advertisement. The rest of the thing didn't touch on any of the things people find nostalgic about the original Pokemon games. Keyword there being "games" and not "anime", because that seems to be where your (as usual short-sighted) hang-ups are focused.

*CyberCubed* · 10-03-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

Yup. They made a movie-length special so they could squeeze in a quick Pokemon X-Y advertisement. The rest of the thing didn't touch on any of the things people find nostalgic about the original Pokemon games. Keyword there being "games" and not "anime", because that seems to be where your (as usual short-sighted) hang-ups are focused.

Most of the people who watched Origins are people who at least watched the very first season of the regular anime with Ash/Misty/Brock in Kanto over a decade ago. I'm sure the writers of Origin are well aware of that, since most kids who played Red/Blue also watched the show at the time.

Even online I see people call the rival, "Gary" instead of, "Green," because they've mixing up the different continuity.

And yeah, there are bunch of delusional Misty fans still out there who thought Misty was going to have a big role in this special, despite the fact that it was based on the games and not the anime. I regularly visit the Pokemon fandom, I know what they talk about.

*Allio* · 10-04-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most of the people who watched Origins are people who at least watched the very first season of the regular anime with Ash/Misty/Brock in Kanto over a decade ago. I'm sure the writers of Origin are well aware of that, since most kids who played Red/Blue also watched the show at the time.

Even online I see people call the rival, "Gary" instead of, "Green," because they've mixing up the different continuity.

And yeah, there are bunch of delusional Misty fans still out there who thought Misty was going to have a big role in this special, despite the fact that it was based on the games and not the anime. I regularly visit the Pokemon fandom, I know what they talk about.

seems more of a "they" problem, rather than an Origins problem

*CyberCubed* · 10-04-2013, 12:39 PM

There are actually fully grown adults in their mid 20's who literally sat there crying over Misty leaving the regular anime 10 years ago at the end of Johto. They spent their entire teen years crying over a cartoon character from a kids anime that's a videogame adaption.

I realize these people are the same type of people who only like the original 151 pokemon, but they're more vocal because they're actually under the delusion that Misty and or Brock are vital characters to pokemon even though neither are.

*Allio* · 10-04-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There are actually fully grown adults in their mid 20's who literally sat there crying over Misty leaving the regular anime 10 years ago at the end of Johto. They spent their entire teen years crying over a cartoon character from a kids anime that's a videogame adaption.

I realize these people are the same type of people who only like the original 151 pokemon, but they're more vocal because they're actually under the delusion that Misty and or Brock are vital characters to pokemon even though neither are.

Pokemon Origins: Not Our Problem

Peanut · 10-04-2013, 01:04 PM

Sounds like someone speaking from experience.

Those people (you included) are a vocal minority and not the majority.

Edit: So, I watched a bunch more of this today and it's pretty disappointing. For one, it's incredibly poorly paced. It doesn't feel anything like a special or a movie, it feels episodic, because between what are sections formatted very much like TV episodes it has little "save" screens that break things up and fast forward. The introduction and Red defeating Brock happens in about 20 minutes and then following a save screen it goes into a quick summation of events all the way up to Lavender Town. Everything from Red's first meeting with Team Rocket, to his Charmander evolving and him earning more badges is flashed on screen for seconds as Red narrates. After that it drops back into a typical episodic format where Red deals with the events of Pokemon Tower from the game, which feels so incredibly pointless and devoid of any development, because it then glosses over nearly everything until Red fights Giovanni at the Viridian Gym, which is admittedly lengthy and pretty awesome. I stopped watching there.

The format is absolute sh*t and makes it feel like you missed about 20 episodes of an on-going show between the parts they decide to show you. It's a mess, both because you're getting almost nothing aside from it aside from brief pangs of "I remember that!" or "that little detail is cool" and because in the middle they picked some of the most pointless stuff to show off. I would have preferred more time devoted to Red's team building and/or Pokemon evolving than to see the backstory of a Cubone's mother being killed by Team Rocket. Also, the fact that his Pokemon seem so utterly disposable is off-putting.

I dunno. It's a mess and I don't think it does what it seemingly set out to do very well. Bits and pieces are neat, but the format they chose and the way they went about it are nothing but a disservice to the source material.

*Allio* · 10-13-2013, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past.

Seems someone didn't get their Pokegods in Red and Blue version when they were a kid...shame...Charcoalt was the best evolution ever

*Donatello19* · 10-13-2013, 04:22 PM

Is this going to air in the US? If so when?

10-04-2013, 01:04 PM	#58
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Sounds like someone speaking from experience. Those people (you included) are a vocal minority and not the majority. Edit: So, I watched a bunch more of this today and it's pretty disappointing. For one, it's incredibly poorly paced. It doesn't feel anything like a special or a movie, it feels episodic, because between what are sections formatted very much like TV episodes it has little "save" screens that break things up and fast forward. The introduction and Red defeating Brock happens in about 20 minutes and then following a save screen it goes into a quick summation of events all the way up to Lavender Town. Everything from Red's first meeting with Team Rocket, to his Charmander evolving and him earning more badges is flashed on screen for seconds as Red narrates. After that it drops back into a typical episodic format where Red deals with the events of Pokemon Tower from the game, which feels so incredibly pointless and devoid of any development, because it then glosses over nearly everything until Red fights Giovanni at the Viridian Gym, which is admittedly lengthy and pretty awesome. I stopped watching there. The format is absolute sht and makes it feel like you missed about 20 episodes of an on-going show between the parts they decide to show you. It's a mess, both because you're getting almost nothing aside from it aside from brief pangs of "I remember that!" or "that little detail is cool" and because in the middle they picked some of the most pointless stuff to show off. I would have preferred more time devoted to Red's team building and/or Pokemon evolving than to see the backstory of a Cubone's mother being killed by Team Rocket. Also, the fact that his Pokemon seem so utterly disposable is off-putting. I dunno. It's a mess and I don't think it does what it seemingly set out to do very well. Bits and pieces are neat, but the format they chose and the way they went about it are nothing but a disservice to the source material. Last edited by Peanut; 10-04-2013 at 04:55 PM.*

10-03-2013, 09:10 AM	#45
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Lol. Defensive. We knew from the beginning it was about the entire game. If you missed that fact and assumed otherwise then that's your own problem. There was never a way they were going to take their time and develop every facet of it the way they can in the games.

10-03-2013, 04:50 PM	#47
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	This special was just to shoe-in the XY advertisement of Mega Charizard. It wasn't just a special for nostalgic pokemon fans stuck 16 years in the past. That's also why Misty didn't get a speaking role like Brock did, they do not give a crap about old school Pokemon fans.

10-04-2013, 12:39 PM	#56
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	There are actually fully grown adults in their mid 20's who literally sat there crying over Misty leaving the regular anime 10 years ago at the end of Johto. They spent their entire teen years crying over a cartoon character from a kids anime that's a videogame adaption. I realize these people are the same type of people who only like the original 151 pokemon, but they're more vocal because they're actually under the delusion that Misty and or Brock are vital characters to pokemon even though neither are.

10-13-2013, 04:22 PM	#60
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	Is this going to air in the US? If so when?