The Writers/Creative Staff of Nick's TMNT Are Unperdictable

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Karai Samurai

I'm going to disagree with BabyTurtles here. I don't think TMNT, or any show, needs to just throw in more women or minorities just for the sake of diversity. What we need is more well written women and minority characters.

Look at the Legend of Korra for example. While Avatar did a great job with unique and well developed female characters, I always felt that Korra relied on overused tv tropes. Korra is supposedly a "strong" character (because a girl can't lead a show without acting like a dude, right?), but in reality she's overly emotional, irrational, and boy obsessed. Lin is a spinster, and Asami is the token pretty girl that's so submissive she lacks a personality. Once her role as love interest ended, the writers didn't know what to do with her. And we all know that TMNT has stuck with the overused good girl/bad girl dichotomy where the good girl is a love interest and personality-less and the bad girl is totally irrational.

I'm not saying these are bad shows. TMNT and the Legend of Korra are by far the best shows on Nickelodeon right now. But still. A well written female character would be nice.

legend of korra is NOT the best show......I want female characters...but I also want them to be done right.

TMNT isn't really helping me like April.....so I'm left with Karai and hopefully Irma (whenever she shows up)

maybe that's why I want more girls in TMNT......I just want ONE girl I can really like. (that's not evil )

[Karai Samurai]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

legend of korra is NOT the best show......I want female characters...but I also want them to be done right.

TMNT isn't really helping me like April.....so I'm left with Karai and hopefully Irma (whenever she shows up)

maybe that's why I want more girls in TMNT......I just want ONE girl I can really like. (that's not evil )

I didn't say that the Legend of Korra was the best show. I actually don't really like it that much. The first book was good, even with its flaws but this past season was so meh. But in comparison to the other things Nick is pushing out (Sanjay and Craig, really?) Korra and TMNT are the best Nick has to offer.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Karai Samurai

I didn't say that the Legend of Korra was the best show. I actually don't really like it that much. The first book was good, even with its flaws but this past season was so meh. But in comparison to the other things Nick is pushing out (Sanjay and Craig, really?) Korra and TMNT are the best Nick has to offer.

no XD I wasn't saying that you thought it was.....I was saying it like..."yea..Legend of korra is not the best show" I was agreeing with you

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

To give the other characters a chance to develop without him and forcing them to step out of their comfort zone and into Areas they take for granted because that's Donatello's department of expertise.

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

that's true....or we can just have an episode where he gets sick and the turtles have to figure something out for him or solve something without his help. That'd probably be easier XD

It will also have the Turtles deal with the loss of one of their own. The closest thing they've had to that thus far is Leo's near sacrifice in the season 1 finally.

And they've had three episodes where they have shown over confidence and complacency. And if you look carefully as those episodes there is a bit of a pattern when it comes to consequences.

The Gauntlet- They are over confident because they've won every battle they've faced since they first climbed out of the sewers.

Consequence-They nearly lose their lives at the hands of a stronger opponent.


Pulverizer Returns- They are over confident because they've become to reliant with their trademark weapons.

Consequence-They lose their weapons and an ally is unfortunately mutated.


Mutation Situation-Over confident because they just saved the world from a gigantic alien battle fortress.

Consequence-Another ally is mutated, and they temporarily lose their closest human friend.


So by this pattern, the next consequence means they would have to lose one of their own -as in a brother will be lost to them. Not captured and rescued within the same episode...but full on gone for a small handful of episodes at least.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Didn't watch Airbender cause the movie plain sucks!

WHOA. WHAT?
I used to feel the same way, but I forced myself to watch a couple episodes of the show, and I got instantly hooked. It has the perfect combo of character development, nice plot pacing, a fun sense of humor, some of the greatest action scenes in a cartoon, and extremely fluid animation! It's as good, if not, better than the Nick show. Yeah, I just went there.

Anyway, about the whole "diverse" thing, I don't understand. Most of the humans in the show are girls. And there really aren't a lot of humans period. Of course, that's just my two cents.

[bwrosas]

Now for anyone that wonders why I made this post (vid wise, and later text wise) and in a pervious post said what I did about Irma becoming Mona Lisa Possibly, then today's epsiode, should've really drove home my post(s) point.

[Powder]

...but what they revealed today was what many predicted a year ago. So no, it didn't.

[bwrosas]

Originally Posted by Powder

...but what they revealed today was what many predicted a year ago. So no, it didn't.

Maybe/Maybe Not. But what has the reaction been? Mixed?, Negative? Basically some (if not more than a few) are on the fence about it. Which again (with all due respect) proves my point(s) in both, mostly this post.

[hadoolket]

Originally Posted by bwrosas

Maybe/Maybe Not. But what has the reaction been? Mixed?, Negative? Basically some (if not more than a few) are on the fence about it. Which again (with all due respect) proves my point(s) in both, mostly this post.

what even was your point?

[bwrosas]

Originally Posted by hadoolket

what even was your point?

go to page 1, then scroll down a bit to read the text version.

[hadoolket]

it's not to say it wouldn't happen but it sounds more like you're obsessed with the idea of mutanting (sic) irma into mona lisa as if you WANT it to happen, mr. walmer. frankly, i don't, and whether it's because you have a boner for mona lisa, or because you have this fetish for girls transforming into things like deviantart users often seem to have, it's pretty clear it's not the most desired thing!

[victory_angel]

I agree Mona Lisa would be a cool character to rehash on the show, but there are also other characters who could deserve their own 2012 version.

Mona Lisa...no Irma shouldn't be mutated into Mona Lisa. Mona Lisa in the original version was a physics student who was abducted by a pirate named Captain Filch and forced to assist him in schemes to take over the world. She plays along for a time, but when she tries to sabotage his submarine she was mutated into a Lizard woman.

Also according to Eastman and Laird, Mona was originally going to be a female turtle.

"The character of Mona Lisa was created for the old show by someone working for Fred Wolf. What many people do not know was that she was originally supposed to be a female mutant turtle, but Kevin and I put our foot down (this was back when we both agreed that a female turtle was a lame, stupid, creatively bankrupt idea) and they changed her to some kind of lizard." --PL

In the 2012 version Mona Lisa could be a young woman who had been abducted and experimented on by the Kraang. Like the OT she could possibly become a love interest for Raph or at least female person that Raph has respect for both as a mutant and a fighter.

Another probability is that Mona Lisa could be April's mother.

First off: Mona's voice actress is Pat Musick. Mae Whitman, the voice of April is her daughter.

Second: We know April lost her mother, but we don't specifically known if her mother is dead. Her mother may very well be alive but may be a mutant.

And while we are speaking about love interests for Raph. We can also add in Ninjara and/or Mezcaal.

Other Characters that could be revitalized in the 2012 version is

that bum we see from time to time could end up being Muckman. We see a small homage to muckman in Mikey's room. And from the looks of the Muckman poster, he seems to have the same character model of the street bum.

We can also include Jahanna. She was a one shot alien character who appears in he Mirage Comics and 2k3 series and it was hinted that she was a love interest for Donatello, but it was a love that could never be. If Jahanna was included she could be included as a means dissolving the Don-O'Neil pairing. Or strengthen it.

Usagi: Keep the tradition of having Usagi appear in all Animated installments of the TMNT franchises at least.

Lotus Blossom -Lotus was a precursor to Karai and she was a love interest for Leo. Since Karai is Splinter's daughter, maybe Lotus could come in a her own character.