William Fichtner confirms Eric Sacks was Shredder originally until reshoots

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I mean... if he treasures the mutant blood so much, why not keep them alive so he can keep extracting blood from them?

Mutagen in the blood, not the blood itself... he just wants the mutagen back. Limited supply in the Turtles.

Now why they'd assume it to be a successful magic cure for the contamination he'd inflict on the city when they had still been experimenting with it at the time of the fire and it's main result so far seems to be mutating living things... *MASSIVE SHRUG* Like requiring 2014 Raph shoulder size massive.

Also... the amount he got from them should have been TINY considering how small they were when injected.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by bushido

"I used to be Shredder, then I took a reshoot to the knee"

Originally Posted by Powder

You being allowed to say things like this is proof that there is no God.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Mutagen in the blood, not the blood itself... he just wants the mutagen back. Limited supply in the Turtles.

Now why they'd assume it to be a successful magic cure for the contamination he'd inflict on the city when they had still been experimenting with it at the time of the fire and it's main result so far seems to be mutating living things... *MASSIVE SHRUG* Like requiring 2014 Raph shoulder size massive.

Also... the amount he got from them should have been TINY considering how small they were when injected.

Um, this whole mutagene in the blood, is, utterly stupid. I feel compelled to buy a whole crate of biology texts and distribute them.

I hate pseudoscience in films.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Um, this whole mutagene in the blood, is, utterly stupid. I feel compelled to buy a whole crate of biology texts and distribute them.

I hate pseudoscience in films.

Its kind of hard to explain how Mutagen works, Hopefully in the sequel, they perfected it, Since Bebop and Rocksteady will be in it.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Um, this whole mutagene in the blood, is, utterly stupid. I feel compelled to buy a whole crate of biology texts and distribute them.

I hate pseudoscience in films.

Agree, I prefer it has it's affect on simple contact and then they're done with it.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

this..first is..is something we all knew..second i hate to be that guy..but didnt he originally come and say the all his scenes as shredder were done before reshots


sounds like studios trying to coverthere tracks to "show they care"

[Pondslider]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

this..first is..is something well knew..second i hate to be that guy..but didnt he originall come and say the all his scenes as shredder were done before reeshoots


sounds like studios trying to cove there tracks to "show they care"

I wouldn't be surprised if they only changed the Shredder because they didn't want the negative publicity of a whitewashed Shredder to show up in the reviews when the movie came out which is why it was done at the expense of the story.

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Horsesh*t.



According to Jonathan Liebesman, no. He said it was too difficult and complicated to do.

Are you f*cking kidding me? What's so complicated about doing a rivalry story between Saki and Yoshi? All you have to do is have Splinter be the reincarnated Yoshi, Sacks be the reincarnated form of Saki, and they both have a rivalry from their human lives. Ugh, I hate these people so much.

Originally Posted by Bry

Sure. But it also has backstory involving Hamato Yoshi's murdered wife and stolen daughter, several plotlines involving people struggling with being mutated against their will, and recently showed Leonardo beaten into a coma. And put in the work so that all of those moments had real weight.

Any story can deliver a "light tone" while also delivering compelling drama with real stakes. If the people making it have the talent and/or care enough to put the effort in.

Exactly what I was thinking, Bry. The Nick series has better storytelling because you can tell the people behind it actually care about the franchise and want to handle it with care. These PD people care nothing about TMNT and just want to make money.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Are you f*cking kidding me? What's so complicated about doing a rivalry story between Saki and Yoshi? All you have to do is have Splinter be the reincarnated Yoshi, Sacks be the reincarnated form of Saki, and they both have a rivalry from their human lives. Ugh, I hate these people so much.




Exactly what I was thinking, Bry. The Nick series has better storytelling because you can tell the people behind it actually care about the franchise and want to handle it with care. These PD people care nothing about TMNT and just want to make money.

Reincarnation isn't necessary. Just make Yoshi into splinter especially since the movie wanted to capture the ot vibe. And I still say for all intents and purposes Sachs has no place in a tmnt movie. Let him die.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

These PD people care nothing about TMNT and just want to make money.

Exactly. Their only drive is money.

If they had made a good movie that was just a bad TMNT movie, per se, maybe the fanbase would give it a little more love.

But they didn't even try to make a good movie. This isn't just a bad TMNT movie; it's a bad movie period. They did a quick, lazy, horrible job because they knew that people would buy the expensive movie tickets.

If they want the sequel to make any real money they're going to have to actually do a good job, because I doubt people will fall into the same money trap twice.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Exactly. Their only drive is money.

If they had made a good movie that was just a bad TMNT movie, per se, maybe the fanbase would give it a little more love.

But they didn't even try to make a good movie. This isn't just a bad TMNT movie; it's a bad movie period. They did a quick, lazy, horrible job because they knew that people would buy the expensive movie tickets.

If they want the sequel to make any real money they're going to have to actually do a good job, because I doubt people will fall into the same money trap twice.

That's the problem. They will. You know they will. Just slap Bebop and Rocksteady in there and that's all you need. The hell with effort. They're gonna score big numbers and sells tons of tickets just by adding those two in the movie alone. They don't even have to try. They can be twice as lazy and not even bother to try and it will rake in the big bucks cause people are stupid.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Agree, I prefer it has it's affect on simple contact and then they're done with it.

At least try, you know, to have it make sense. Mutation occurs on the cellular level, in the genes of the animal. It's science, not magic.

Guess they were to cheap to hire any consultants.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

There's only one point I'm going to make, playing devil's advocate here on the whole 'left out the yoshi/saki backstory... From what Liebsmen said, it was too complicated to put in this particular movie. He never said he wouldn't address it at a later time. As an example I point to the 4 kids series, when splinter tells April (and the new generation of kids watching the show) their origin, he omits the shredder/yoshi part altogether, and it's not touched upon at all until much later in the season. Likewise, the nick cartoon left it out of the first episode, as well. Making it a secondary part of the plot in the second episode. Isn't it even slightly possible the book part was a half, truth, and the Saki/Yoshi connection might not come up in part 2. I know that wasn't originally the plan, but they changed shredder, so...

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

At least try, you know, to have it make sense. Mutation occurs on the cellular level, in the genes of the animal. It's science, not magic.

Guess they were to cheap to hire any consultants.

Well, you know how it goes... ♫♪ Beauty school film school drop outs... ♬♩

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

There's only one point I'm going to make, playing devil's advocate here on the whole 'left out the yoshi/saki backstory... From what Liebsmen said, it was too complicated to put in this particular movie. He never said he wouldn't address it at a later time. As an example I point to the 4 kids series, when splinter tells April (and the new generation of kids watching the show) their origin, he omits the shredder/yoshi part altogether, and it's not touched upon at all until much later in the season. Likewise, the nick cartoon left it out of the first episode, as well. Making it a secondary part of the plot in the second episode. Isn't it even slightly possible the book part was a half, truth, and the Saki/Yoshi connection might not come up in part 2. I know that wasn't originally the plan, but they changed shredder, so...

No. The "well ifs/but maybes" don't matter. What matters is what we saw in THIS movie and what was said by the director himself. It doesn't matter what he DIDN'T say.

Anything that contradicts what this movie set up, forcing the past lives crap in there(even though a Japanese Shredder now exists in this universe, so you can't do that), will be a retcon of what happened in THIS movie.

Hamato Yoshi doesn't exist in this universe because the filmmakers for this movie COULDN'T do what past filmmakers and even past and current cartoon creators COULD do.

Or, another option, wouldn't do. Because they don't give a crap.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

No. The "well ifs/but maybes" don't matter. What matters is what we saw in THIS movie and what was said by the director himself. It doesn't matter what he DIDN'T say.

Anything that contradicts what this movie set up, forcing the past lives crap in there(even though a Japanese Shredder now exists in this universe, so you can't do that), will be a retcon of what happened in THIS movie.

Hamato Yoshi doesn't exist in this universe because the filmmakers for this movie COULDN'T do what past filmmakers and even past and current cartoon creators COULD do.

Or, another option, wouldn't do. Because they don't give a crap.

Hey, I do agree the movie was mostly lame, and the producers and Bay doesn't care, bu as an IDW fan, I can definitely say the past life stuff is not crap. If they made had made this TMNT film right, it definitely would have fit in there (and Japanese shredder being there doesn't matter, in IDW Saki wasn't reincarnated, he was resurrected by the ooze.)

[IndigoErth]

Honestly, if that backstory was too complicated (for like the first time in forever) for this first one, I think it would be even more complicated to try to address it in sequel(s). Chances are they might come up with a really whacked out concept at that point in order to try to force it in there and complicate it on their own damn selves more than need be, so it may be best to just leave it alone imo.

Still, it makes me *facepalm* over the simple ways some of these details could have been included. Like, as I've said previously, why not just have Yoshi as a lab tech... He destroys the lab, instead of April's father, giving Shredder reason to be against him, and gives him the proximity to the story so that his DNA accidentally ends up involved and affects the mutagen/lab animals in an unexpected way. (Seeing as how they were hunting for a magic cure for a poison, not how to mutate something.)

I think some of these film makers must be purely BIG idea people who have a hard time thinking in small terms when they need to keep something simple. I guess subtlety is an art form some just don't have...

[Cipher]

The producers would probably be better at explaining that.

Yikes.

Originally Posted by Leo656

No idea what they were making from Day One. Except a toy commercial.

Word.

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

If they had made a good movie that was just a bad TMNT movie, per se, maybe the fanbase would give it a little more love.

I don't know what this means. A good movie would be a good TMNT movie.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

There's only one point I'm going to make, playing devil's advocate here on the whole 'left out the yoshi/saki backstory... From what Liebsmen said, it was too complicated to put in this particular movie. He never said he wouldn't address it at a later time. As an example I point to the 4 kids series, when splinter tells April (and the new generation of kids watching the show) their origin, he omits the shredder/yoshi part altogether, and it's not touched upon at all until much later in the season. Likewise, the nick cartoon left it out of the first episode, as well. Making it a secondary part of the plot in the second episode. Isn't it even slightly possible the book part was a half, truth, and the Saki/Yoshi connection might not come up in part 2. I know that wasn't originally the plan, but they changed shredder, so...

True, Splinter do states to April that he doesn't remeber his life before being brought to the laboratory. So they could have Splinter getting his memory back in the second movie.

Although, it seems rather moot now, considering the conflict between Splinter and Shredder is over their hidden existence and the Turtles' internal storage of Mutagen. Adding Yoshi to the mix seems rather redundant now, especially since Splinter's martial arts skills comes from... A picture-by-picture Steven Hayes-esque book.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

True, Splinter do states to April that he doesn't remeber his life before being brought to the laboratory. So they could have Splinter getting his memory back in the second movie.

That just means he doesn't remember life as a normal rat, you know, like how the turtles don't remember their thrilling adventures crawling around in a glass bowl in a pet shop.