What do you think about "modern" Rock-bands? - Page 3

**Barkworm** · 09-04-2003, 01:23 AM

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yeah, no problem! It sounds like their full album will be out before too much longer!

but how much longer untill Wieland gets him self caught with drugs again? I give it 6 months... unless he actually does clean up this time.

It's funny, he never looked like a hardcore junkie to me but it seems like he can't get his hands off of the H. Anyway, guys who beat up their women are just pathetic.

**GK Punk** · 09-04-2003, 01:56 AM

Yeah, there's no excuse for that ****

Hennie · 09-04-2003, 03:10 AM

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I like some new stuff. Not Limp Bizkit or KoRn, but bands like Ill Nino, Murderdolls, Powerman 5000, The Blank Theory, Nothingface, In Flames and Seether are great. I'm really starting to get into bands like Spineshank.

Brodie I see you like Seether did you know they are a South African band aka Saron Gas

Seether ROCKS!!!

*Kid Icarus* · 09-04-2003, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

I like some new stuff. Not Limp Bizkit or KoRn, but bands like Ill Nino, Murderdolls, Powerman 5000, The Blank Theory, Nothingface, In Flames and Seether are great. I'm really starting to get into bands like Spineshank.

Brodie I see you like Seether did you know they are a South African band aka Saron Gas

Seether ROCKS!!!

Seether is awesome. I have some friends in SA that knew the band before they even considered signing to Wind Up

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**GK Punk** · 09-04-2003, 02:28 PM

Seether rocks. I have a few guitar magazines with them in it actually.

*Raven* · 09-04-2003, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by grunger_kittie

yeah, no problem! It sounds like their full album will be out before too much longer!

but how much longer untill Wieland gets him self caught with drugs again? I give it 6 months... unless he actually does clean up this time.

I think he was just caught mabey 2 months ago, not to long ago.

*Kid Icarus* · 09-04-2003, 04:46 PM

yeah, and he got parole... again. Which is good, because now Velvet Revolver get to finish the rest of the album and release it. pry won't be able to tour till his probation's up though. -_-.

*heretic888* · 09-05-2003, 01:01 PM

Today's music, neh??

Well, I like anything. Good stuff I like more than crappier stuff, but I see the value in all music.

I don't like to rate bands by genre. Its retarded. Papa Roach and Rage Against the Machine are both "rap metal", but they sound next to nothing alike.

That being said, I do have a few modern favorites. Sevendust is always good. Korn is brilliant, especially their newer work. Deftones are great. Tool, too. Primus. A Perfect Circle. NIN. I really like Nirvana too, although they are definitely overrated. Disturbed is probably the only newer "nu metal" band worth a lick. Although, I am really starting to grow onto linkin park a bit. Mudvayne are cool. Limpbizkit are amazing, they're ability to constantly reinvent their style and their genre never ceases to impress me. Their live show is unbelievable.

Another band I like that many people haven't heard of is Skrape. And, unlike many people, I actually like the new Metallica.

I really like older rock, too, but the people that flat out say that all the new rock out today "suck" are, very frankly, close minded. They need to lighten up and broaden their horizons. The majority of rock out today is in fact better than the majority of rock out during the 60s and 70s. Of course, there are always a few gems of note. Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, GnR, Metallica, love em all....

Heh. I even like some rappers out today, like Nas and Eminem. Tupac was cool, too.

*Kid Icarus* · 09-05-2003, 01:10 PM

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And, unlike many people, I actually like the new Metallica.

I love the new Metallica. It's great to see them doing more than thrash guitar. Infact, the new Metallica sounds like what Nirvana was starting to before Kurt died.

*Dr. Doom* · 09-05-2003, 02:50 PM

I like the new stuff too. All of it. As equally as I like the old stuff. There are a lot of good songs on Load & Reload that remain neglected.

*Raven* · 09-05-2003, 03:05 PM

i really love the new metallica, but than again ive always liked them.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 09-05-2003, 03:07 PM

OMG!!!!! HERETIC POSTED!!!!!

**GK Punk** · 09-05-2003, 03:08 PM

I can't help but dislike the new metallica. It sounds like they are trying to hard to fit in to Mainstream rock. (Down tuned guitars?? YOUR METALLICA!! PLAY A SOLO FOR GOD SAKES!)

/end rant

~~Leo656~~ · 09-05-2003, 06:19 PM

The Ramones were never very big on solos either, and I'd never say a bad word about them. There's more to music than guitars and solos. Of course, since you're a guitar player, you're biased.

I really like newer Metallica, since Lars is actually playing aggressively on the drums again and the whole album just makes me wanna fight and break stuff which is what Metallica at their best is all about.

**GK Punk** · 09-05-2003, 07:01 PM

Well, there is a difference actually. Metallica has always been about guitars and tone, and solos. The Ramones actually had next to no talent. (Even they have admited that)

Metallica has changed their sound twice now, once to fit in with Grunge, and Now to fit in with SOAD. I'm sorry, but It's very noticeable that they are using SOAD Techniques.

~~Leo656~~ · 09-05-2003, 07:11 PM

I thought I heard more a resemblance to some Godsmack stuff rather than System (who I like but I also think are incredibly overrated). Besides, it's damn near impossible for any band to do anything these days without sounding like someone else cuz everything's already been done more or less (Like I swear I've heard at least three recent rap songs with a sample from the Knight Rider theme song). I mean, Mudvayne claims to use some advanced mathematical equations to write their music... and they still sound like everyone else.

It's like they said on South Park... "Everything's already been done... even before The Simpsons."

Ramones? Talent? Didn't you ever see "Up In Smoke"? "It's punk music, man... you don't gotta know how to play, you just gotta... be a punk!"

*heretic888* · 09-08-2003, 08:48 AM

The most amazing thing in the world is when people erroneously believe that technical complexity is the equivalent of artistic "talent" in music.

If you truly believe technical complexity to be so important, why the hell are you listening to rock music?? Its one of the most technically simplistic genres there is (not that that is necessarily a bad thing).

Solos a great band does not make.

**GK Punk** · 09-08-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

The most amazing thing in the world is when people erroneously believe that technical complexity is the equivalent of artistic "talent" in music.

If you truly believe technical complexity to be so important, why the hell are you listening to rock music?? Its one of the most technically simplistic genres there is (not that that is necessarily a bad thing).

Solos a great band does not make.

Actually, I just said METALLICA should be doing solos. When did I say every band should? I hate to steal a line from Rez, but use common sense when talking to me, son.

Eternelle · 09-08-2003, 06:02 PM

I agree that the new Metallica could use some more solos, but I don't totally dislike their new sound.

~~Leo656~~ · 09-08-2003, 07:36 PM

I suppose, but I listened to the new album repeatedly and didn't notice the lack of solos until someone mentioned it to me.

Maybe their musical priorities changed or something, and putting long solos in every song just isn't what they want to do anymore, or maybe they just didn't feel like having any on THIS record. Or who knows... maybe it's just not a priority to them at all anymore. Maybe since they and everyone else knows how good they can play, they don't feel the need to have a solo in every song anymore. Because really, isn't the solo really, at it's core, at least a *little* bit of self-indulgent egotism on the part of the performer? A bit of "look at me, look how good I am"? Yes, it's a great thing and the world is far better off with guitar solos than without them... but are they NECESSARY? No, not really.

I mean, it wasn't all THAT long ago when the words "guitar solo" were looked upon with disgust by fans and musicians alike who were annoyed with how pompous and self-important rock music had become. And what was the spawn of that "no time for solos" era in music? Punk, one of the greatest and most influential genres in music history.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into things and it was just Lars hogging the spotlight for himself, since people have been saying since "Load" that he can't play anymore, and now on the new record the drums are louder than the vocals half the time. What a showoff.

Either way, I look at the whole "Metallica stopped putting guitar solos in their songs" thing the same way as I look at the "the TMNT had red masks in Mirage so they should have red masks all the time" thing... in short, it just doesn't bother me enough for me to actually CARE. I enjoy the product for what it is and not what it isn't. In the case of Metallica, it IS a new Metallica album, and it ISN'T Staind or The Strokes or Incubus or any other band I hate. And that's good enough for me.

09-05-2003, 01:01 PM	#48
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm Today's music, neh?? Well, I like anything. Good stuff I like more than crappier stuff, but I see the value in all music. I don't like to rate bands by genre. Its retarded. Papa Roach and Rage Against the Machine are both "rap metal", but they sound next to nothing alike. That being said, I do have a few modern favorites. Sevendust is always good. Korn is brilliant, especially their newer work. Deftones are great. Tool, too. Primus. A Perfect Circle. NIN. I really like Nirvana too, although they are definitely overrated. Disturbed is probably the only newer "nu metal" band worth a lick. Although, I am really starting to grow onto linkin park a bit. Mudvayne are cool. Limpbizkit are amazing, they're ability to constantly reinvent their style and their genre never ceases to impress me. Their live show is unbelievable. Another band I like that many people haven't heard of is Skrape. And, unlike many people, I actually like the new Metallica. I really like older rock, too, but the people that flat out say that all the new rock out today "suck" are, very frankly, close minded. They need to lighten up and broaden their horizons. The majority of rock out today is in fact better than the majority of rock out during the 60s and 70s. Of course, there are always a few gems of note. Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, GnR, Metallica, love em all.... Heh. I even like some rappers out today, like Nas and Eminem. Tupac was cool, too. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

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Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	i really love the new metallica, but than again ive always liked them. __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

09-08-2003, 08:48 AM	#57
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	heh The most amazing thing in the world is when people erroneously believe that technical complexity is the equivalent of artistic "talent" in music. If you truly believe technical complexity to be so important, why the hell are you listening to rock music?? Its one of the most technically simplistic genres there is (not that that is necessarily a bad thing). Solos a great band does not make. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

09-08-2003, 06:02 PM	#59
Eternelle Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: I don't know who you are, but I...I'm with you. Posts: 158	I agree that the new Metallica could use some more solos, but I don't totally dislike their new sound. __________________ I'm just a geek at heart...

09-04-2003, 01:56 AM	#42
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Yeah, there's no excuse for that ****

09-04-2003, 02:28 PM	#45
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Seether rocks. I have a few guitar magazines with them in it actually.

09-04-2003, 04:46 PM	#47
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	yeah, and he got parole... again. Which is good, because now Velvet Revolver get to finish the rest of the album and release it. pry won't be able to tour till his probation's up though. -_-.

09-05-2003, 03:07 PM	#52
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	OMG!!!!! HERETIC POSTED!!!!!

09-05-2003, 03:08 PM	#53
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I can't help but dislike the new metallica. It sounds like they are trying to hard to fit in to Mainstream rock. (Down tuned guitars?? YOUR METALLICA!! PLAY A SOLO FOR GOD SAKES!) /end rant

09-05-2003, 06:19 PM	#54
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	The Ramones were never very big on solos either, and I'd never say a bad word about them. There's more to music than guitars and solos. Of course, since you're a guitar player, you're biased. I really like newer Metallica, since Lars is actually playing aggressively on the drums again and the whole album just makes me wanna fight and break stuff which is what Metallica at their best is all about.

09-05-2003, 07:01 PM	#55
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Well, there is a difference actually. Metallica has always been about guitars and tone, and solos. The Ramones actually had next to no talent. (Even they have admited that) Metallica has changed their sound twice now, once to fit in with Grunge, and Now to fit in with SOAD. I'm sorry, but It's very noticeable that they are using SOAD Techniques.

09-05-2003, 07:11 PM	#56
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I thought I heard more a resemblance to some Godsmack stuff rather than System (who I like but I also think are incredibly overrated). Besides, it's damn near impossible for any band to do anything these days without sounding like someone else cuz everything's already been done more or less (Like I swear I've heard at least three recent rap songs with a sample from the Knight Rider theme song). I mean, Mudvayne claims to use some advanced mathematical equations to write their music... and they still sound like everyone else. It's like they said on South Park... "Everything's already been done... even before The Simpsons." Ramones? Talent? Didn't you ever see "Up In Smoke"? "It's punk music, man... you don't gotta know how to play, you just gotta... be a punk!"

09-08-2003, 07:36 PM	#60
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I suppose, but I listened to the new album repeatedly and didn't notice the lack of solos until someone mentioned it to me. Maybe their musical priorities changed or something, and putting long solos in every song just isn't what they want to do anymore, or maybe they just didn't feel like having any on THIS record. Or who knows... maybe it's just not a priority to them at all anymore. Maybe since they and everyone else knows how good they can play, they don't feel the need to have a solo in every song anymore. Because really, isn't the solo really, at it's core, at least a little bit of self-indulgent egotism on the part of the performer? A bit of "look at me, look how good I am"? Yes, it's a great thing and the world is far better off with guitar solos than without them... but are they NECESSARY? No, not really. I mean, it wasn't all THAT long ago when the words "guitar solo" were looked upon with disgust by fans and musicians alike who were annoyed with how pompous and self-important rock music had become. And what was the spawn of that "no time for solos" era in music? Punk, one of the greatest and most influential genres in music history. Or maybe I'm reading too much into things and it was just Lars hogging the spotlight for himself, since people have been saying since "Load" that he can't play anymore, and now on the new record the drums are louder than the vocals half the time. What a showoff. Either way, I look at the whole "Metallica stopped putting guitar solos in their songs" thing the same way as I look at the "the TMNT had red masks in Mirage so they should have red masks all the time" thing... in short, it just doesn't bother me enough for me to actually CARE. I enjoy the product for what it is and not what it isn't. In the case of Metallica, it IS a new Metallica album, and it ISN'T Staind or The Strokes or Incubus or any other band I hate. And that's good enough for me.