Sonic the Hedgehog's Future

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Peanut

It's an opinion if you enjoy the games or not, sure, but you need to realize that you can like and be way into something that isn't great. You can still love something to death and admit that it is, objectively, not very good.

Of course I can, and I have. *coughs*OT*coughs* Just kidding, but seriously, I can be objective about things I like and even I can admit when something isn't particularly good even if I do like it....like say...Commando. *dodges objects* That movie is beyond stupid...but I like it. lol Even the first turtles movie, which I think is the best of them (I haven't seen the Michael Bay one so can't say for that one...I've only seen the original 3 and the 2k7 one), still had its flaws.

You're saying you enjoy underwater Sonic levels,

No I didn't. ^^ I said that I still get the same feeling I did when I originally played. Never said I actually liked them.

but they're mechanically abhorrent and almost universally despised.

Yeah, and I can see why. The water levels are nuts. Interesting how Sonic & Knuckles lacked them. lol

Take a step back and realize that while you have every right to enjoy it, that doesn't absolve it of all the missteps those levels take in terms of design and playability. I enjoy Tecmo Koei's musou games, but that doesn't mean they're good games. I'm also not saying the original series of Sonic games is bad, but they're the perfect example of decent games that are haunted by overblown nostalgic reverence that they don't deserve, which is why nothing Sega does will ever live up to them.

Meh, I still think the games are decent...easy to get through. Are they perfect, nope, but still enjoyable, I feel.

And your last point proves my previous opening statement accurate; a majority of Sonic fans these days are attracted to the franchise by the characters, something video game enthusiasts despise, because Sonic's sh*tty friends are synonymous with the perceived downfall of he series quality and integrity. That immediately creates an issue for Sega and it's continuously a battle for them to do anything that will please anybody.

Yeah, but I also still feel that the fact that there are multiple mediums involving the Sonic characters kind of plays into that too. Due to the comics and the animated series that have been put out, these characters have gotten exposure outside of the games. People like the characters.

I haven't played every Sonic game...far from it, but the ones I have played have been okay I guess...but because of my exposure to mediums other than the games, I like the characters.

Either way, Sega will always have trouble marketing Sonic, imo. Fans are just all over the place. I was surprised people disliked Sonic 4. I personally liked it. Just felt like another Sonic game to me...

Oh, sorry I was late with this. I'm finally using my laptop again. It's easier to type than to sit around on a phone answering this kind of post. ^^;

[Cure]

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Leo656

They already did Sonic 4. It was "old school" and great and nobody cared.

Honestly, they could make the greatest Sonic Game Ever like tomorrow and it won't change anything. The franchise's reputation has been irreparably damaged , to the point where even the good games are dismissed out of hand. Forevermore, it's just going to be a franchise for kids full of games of poor-to-average quality, with an occasional game that's actually Good, like Generations, that nobody will care about because "It's Sonic, Thus Crap".

Anyone wants to "save" the franchise, they'd better build a time machine. It is what it is, now.

Honestly, looking back, it's kinda hard to believe that Sonic and Sega have once given Mario and Nintendo a run for their money. I still firmly believe that SMW is better than any of the Genesis Sonic games, but Sonic 2 was a great game. 3 was good too but not as great, since the long stages dragged on a bit. 1 hasn't aged that well, imo. I honestly can't stand the 2nd zone of that game(Marble Zone?). But nevertheless, it's still not a bad game.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Shiro Kame

First of all, it's filled with idiotic plots, the characters (especially Knuckles) have been dumbed down a lot, and it overdoses on the comedy but underdoses on the plot and action. It feels like a really, really bad Nick/Disney sitcom or Sonic fanfiction. And don't get me started on Shadow, who feels like a Vegeta ripoff now...

Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog may have been really stupid, but at least I could take Robotnik somewhat seriously (like in the episode where he nearly succeeds in blowing up major Mobian transports [an airport, a train crossing control centre, and a lighthouse]). This one...he becomes roomies with Sonic and Tails, and tries to be Sonic's sidekick. (Seriously? What the shell were they thinking?)

This show is almost as bad as Teen Titans GO! .

Would you say that this is the worst Sonic cartoon and did you like any of the other ones?

[Prowler]

Sonic cartoons? The only one that I've liked was that episodic comedy Sonic cartoon, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. Never cared about Sonic Satam and much less about Sonic Underground.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

And Sonic X?

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

And Sonic X?

I watched like 2 episodes of that back in the day, but don't remember it very well. It was back in the 4Kids TMNT days, wasn't it? I believe there was also a Kirby show on air made by Fox at the time. But the only one of those shows that I actually watched was TMNT.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Prowler

I watched like 2 episodes of that back in the day, but don't remember it very well. It was back in the 4Kids TMNT days, wasn't it? I believe there was also a Kirby show on air made by Fox at the time. But the only one of those shows that I actually watched was TMNT.

Yes it was. I actually enjoyed the Kirby cartoon.

[ssjup81]

I have never seen Sonic Underground...only know of it. Think I've seen pretty much all of the other ones though, including that OAV from the 90s...but not sure how the English version was. I liked Knuckles' hat. lol

So I've seen...

Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM)
Sonic X
Sonic Boom

I actually liked all of them to some extent. I've only seen Sonic X in Japanese...but I always hear people bashing the dub. Not sure if my opinion would be different or not if I'd seen the dub of it. I liked it for what it was. Liked that they featured stuff from the Sonic Adventure games, Sonic Battle (I liked this game, personally), and probably some others. As for Chris. First season he was okay. Didn't mind him. Second season, his presence felt terribly forced and I hated that he seemed to have an actual obsession with Sonic.

After Sonic left at the end of season 2, he spent the next few years of his life trying to meet with him again. I could see Chris being like this if he was like say...Timmy Turner, but he had a stable homelife, his parents were busy at times, but they always tried their best to make time for him and weren't neglectful, he had his grandfather, he had good friends, he wasn't bullied, etc. Just felt strange to me.

Season 3, I didn't mind Chris again because his presence didn't feel as forced as it did for season 2 as the majority of season 3 was mainly about Tails anyway. Didn't care for Cosmo as a character and found her highly uninteresting and wished they could've done more with Cream actually...but oh well. Felt bad for Tails, though...

Spoiler:

He had to kill Cosmo, despite his romantic liking towards her, and her liking towards him to save everyone

. It actually reminded me of that scene in Outlaw Star,

Spoiler:

where Jim killed the girl he liked and had become friends with, without even knowing it

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Let's see, Sonic Boom... I like the show for what it is. I like the dry-witted, ironic humor the show has. I still don't care for the fact that Knuckles is literally an idiot, but it is another dimension and universe separate from the other iterations and dumb Knuckles actually works for Sonic Boom's universe. They did an episode about a parallel dimension. For that dimension, Sonic was the idiot, Amy seemed to like Knuckles (subtly hinted), and Knuckles wasn't an idiot and leader of the team.

Eggman in Sonic Boom...hit or miss character. Sometimes I'm cool with him, other times I'm....meh. I wish he had more motivation for wanting to attack Sonic and his friends and an actual reason why. If he wants to conquer the entire world (like in the games, mostly), why keep attacking the same island? Why go there and shop? Why go there to eat at the fastfood restaurant? Junk like that. Either way I like Sonic Boom okay.

My favorite toon overall though out of that list is the Sonic SatAM show.

[oldmanwinters]

I'm just gonna leave this here:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/14/915...gameplay-video

EDIT: Aw, Cure beat me to it!

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Honestly, looking back, it's kinda hard to believe that Sonic and Sega have once given Mario and Nintendo a run for their money. I still firmly believe that SMW is better than any of the Genesis Sonic games, but Sonic 2 was a great game. 3 was good too but not as great, since the long stages dragged on a bit. 1 hasn't aged that well, imo. I honestly can't stand the 2nd zone of that game(Marble Zone?). But nevertheless, it's still not a bad game.

I think it was the 'cool, edgey, EXTREEEEEMEEE!!!111' attitude of the 90's that helped too, at least at first. Sonic was cool, he had attitude, he had an arrogant smirk, cool sneakers and whatnot. Mario was basically a fat old guy in overalls. Back then Nintendo was marketed as family friendly, the Genesis was marketed as more awesome and hardcore. Even the music made the difference. Sonic had more of a rockin soundtrack while Mario was more cutesy. Super Mario World continued with the cuteness while Sonic and Tails used attitude and 'blast processing' to become strong competition.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I think it was the 'cool, edgey, EXTREEEEEMEEE!!!111' attitude of the 90's that helped too, at least at first. Sonic was cool, he had attitude, he had an arrogant smirk, cool sneakers and whatnot. Mario was basically a fat old guy in overalls. Back then Nintendo was marketed as family friendly, the Genesis was marketed as more awesome and hardcore. Even the music made the difference. Sonic had more of a rockin soundtrack while Mario was more cutesy. Super Mario World continued with the cuteness while Sonic and Tails used attitude and 'blast processing' to become strong competition.

Pretty much!

Although characters such as Cream and Cheese sort of makes me questions the whole cool and edgy feel to the series. I really wish Sega would stop adding so many characters.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Pretty much!

Although characters such as Cream and Cheese sort of makes me questions the whole cool and edgy feel to the series. I really wish Sega would stop adding so many characters.

Yeah... it's overkill. Even though nowadays Mario has a crapload of characters too. One thing, if any, I liked about the sillier cartoon show was that it was all about Sonic and Tails stopping Robotnik's plans. Just like the games. The other cartoon and the comic confused the hell out of me with all of these stupid made-up characters I didn't really care about... and then Tails, you know, the guy actually IN the game, ended up having a bit part.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It's strange because I don't mind the numerous characters in Mario games because they all have their own charm to them. But with Sonic characters, I can't explain it. Some of the new ones just drag the series down for an otherwise "cool and edgy" series.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I think it was the 'cool, edgey, EXTREEEEEMEEE!!!111' attitude of the 90's that helped too, at least at first. Sonic was cool, he had attitude, he had an arrogant smirk, cool sneakers and whatnot. Mario was basically a fat old guy in overalls. Back then Nintendo was marketed as family friendly, the Genesis was marketed as more awesome and hardcore. Even the music made the difference. Sonic had more of a rockin soundtrack while Mario was more cutesy. Super Mario World continued with the cuteness while Sonic and Tails used attitude and 'blast processing' to become strong competition.

Those are some good points. While I've always preferred Mario games to Sonic games, I guess Sonic's character in the cartoon Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog was more relatable to me as a kid at the time, kinda like the Ninja Turtles looked like the cool older kids at school.

Not to mention there was a lot less competition back in the day. Sonic came out in a time where Sony and Microsoft still weren't in the console market so he had less big names to compete with. I