Are we ever going to get a TV show that isn't mainly a toy commercial? - Page 3

~~Leo656~~ · 11-30-2015, 08:58 PM

Because the Powers-That-Be don't see any substantial profit in that. And really, there isn't any. No matter how many NetFlix subscriptions or DVDs or downloads they sold, they'd never recoup the investment on what it cost to make in the first place.

Not without an accompanying toy line. No company in the entire world would just go ahead and do a project like that "just because fans want it and deserve it". There has to be profit or it's pointless.

I don't have to like it but I do completely understand it.

Yoshimickster · 11-30-2015, 10:36 PM

If it stayed an indie coming from 1984- SURE, but considering that satirical comic series somehow snowballed into one of the most marketable media franchises of all TIME its unlikely. Not saying it would be bad if they did though, just saying it'd be unlikely.

NYShell · 12-03-2015, 06:25 PM

I don't like the Nickelodeon show. I gave it a chance for two seasons. I noticed how silly the show became. The quality of the product doesn't seem good in my opinion.

AnarkyLantern · 12-14-2015, 02:29 PM

I just wanted to address the Disney reference earlier. Investors no longer consider Disney a content company but a consumer products one.

*CyberCubed* · 12-14-2015, 04:37 PM

Maybe at best we can see the IDW comics adapted into a cartoon after it ends. Would love to see some of the IDW stories in animation.

*Sabacooza* · 12-14-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Maybe at best we can see the IDW comics adapted into a cartoon after it ends. Would love to see some of the IDW stories in animation.

I second that. That would be a dream come true.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 12-18-2015, 04:54 PM

2003 is probably as close we have been. It'll probably not happen as long as Nickelodeon owns TMNT.

Groverman62 · 01-12-2016, 07:43 PM

I think there are couple reasons.

1. The public perception of TMNT. The franchise is viewed by most as just goofy fun. The Fred Wolf cartoon has cemented that outlook. the 2012 is obligated to continue that trend. The people who view the turtles as simple good fun outnumber those who want to be more serious and complex.

2. Its an action show. Its rough being an action show nowadays. Getting jerked around by the network all the time and the need to sell toys. Sym Bionic Titans Thundercats and Young Justice were all fine shows but the toys just weren't selling. TMNT just doing whatever it can to stay avoid that fate, especially since Joshua and JR left after the first season.

Lets look at say Gravity Falls and Steven Universe. Both shows just seem to be silly comedies but really are actually deep and complex, and they are get away with that because they are not primarily action so they are not chained down by the need to sell toys.

*GoldMutant* · 01-12-2016, 09:12 PM

The only way you can get a really good TMNT series is work with people in scripting an excellent narrative who share passion for the franchise. Perhaps incorporate elements of each part of the franchise (In a similar vein to Nick and IDW) while also standing strong on their own plots, characterizations, etc. The mythos of the franchise is oozing with potential to be a fantastic series, but the only way is either read a comic or make the series.

I get TMNT is meant to be geared for all audiences and at times for children, but the opportunities are brimming to make a great series, whether it be the next Batman: TAS or Daredevil is all up for debate. For now, your best bet is the 2003 series if you like it; otherwise, try and make your own series. Who knows, it could be a new series altogether.

TMNachoT · 01-13-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

2003 is probably as close we have been. It'll probably not happen as long as Nickelodeon owns TMNT.

You are right!! I have no hopes for the 2K12 show nor the Bay movies.

12-03-2015, 06:25 PM	#43
NYShell Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Long Island, NY - Dallas, TX Posts: 581	I don't like the Nickelodeon show. I gave it a chance for two seasons. I noticed how silly the show became. The quality of the product doesn't seem good in my opinion. __________________ "All fathers care for their sons." ** LOOKING FOR 2016 SIDESHOW COLLECTIBLES EXCLUSIVE TMNT STATUES (LEO, MIKE, RAPH) **

11-30-2015, 08:58 PM	#41
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Because the Powers-That-Be don't see any substantial profit in that. And really, there isn't any. No matter how many NetFlix subscriptions or DVDs or downloads they sold, they'd never recoup the investment on what it cost to make in the first place. Not without an accompanying toy line. No company in the entire world would just go ahead and do a project like that "just because fans want it and deserve it". There has to be profit or it's pointless. I don't have to like it but I do completely understand it.

11-30-2015, 10:36 PM	#42
Yoshimickster Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: New Jersey Posts: 106	If it stayed an indie coming from 1984- SURE, but considering that satirical comic series somehow snowballed into one of the most marketable media franchises of all TIME its unlikely. Not saying it would be bad if they did though, just saying it'd be unlikely.

12-14-2015, 02:29 PM	#44
AnarkyLantern Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 154	I just wanted to address the Disney reference earlier. Investors no longer consider Disney a content company but a consumer products one.

12-14-2015, 04:37 PM	#45
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	Maybe at best we can see the IDW comics adapted into a cartoon after it ends. Would love to see some of the IDW stories in animation.

12-18-2015, 04:54 PM	#47
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	2003 is probably as close we have been. It'll probably not happen as long as Nickelodeon owns TMNT.

01-12-2016, 07:43 PM	#48
Groverman62 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Thats Classified Posts: 114	I think there are couple reasons. 1. The public perception of TMNT. The franchise is viewed by most as just goofy fun. The Fred Wolf cartoon has cemented that outlook. the 2012 is obligated to continue that trend. The people who view the turtles as simple good fun outnumber those who want to be more serious and complex. 2. Its an action show. Its rough being an action show nowadays. Getting jerked around by the network all the time and the need to sell toys. Sym Bionic Titans Thundercats and Young Justice were all fine shows but the toys just weren't selling. TMNT just doing whatever it can to stay avoid that fate, especially since Joshua and JR left after the first season. Lets look at say Gravity Falls and Steven Universe. Both shows just seem to be silly comedies but really are actually deep and complex, and they are get away with that because they are not primarily action so they are not chained down by the need to sell toys.

01-12-2016, 09:12 PM	#49
GoldMutant Control Your Narrative Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: New England Posts: 1,763	The only way you can get a really good TMNT series is work with people in scripting an excellent narrative who share passion for the franchise. Perhaps incorporate elements of each part of the franchise (In a similar vein to Nick and IDW) while also standing strong on their own plots, characterizations, etc. The mythos of the franchise is oozing with potential to be a fantastic series, but the only way is either read a comic or make the series. I get TMNT is meant to be geared for all audiences and at times for children, but the opportunities are brimming to make a great series, whether it be the next Batman: TAS or Daredevil is all up for debate. For now, your best bet is the 2003 series if you like it; otherwise, try and make your own series. Who knows, it could be a new series altogether.