Do the turtles have a tail? (2014 movie) - Page 3

*IndigoErth* · 12-30-2015, 05:14 PM

http://i.imgur.com/qRgv3Uo.jpg

You be the judge, but imo when compared side by side I feel that the most likely explanation is that the second from left strip of leather, esp given the curved cut of it, may be pretending to be something it's not.

I mean, given how the material wraps around the backside of him, from the right angle the strips to either side probably would look closer to front than those in the center behind him.

Not to want to get into debating it or anything, people are free to think or hope what they want, but some of the discussion just feels personal enough in his business - fictional or not - it's hard to not feel like wanting to defend him if it is, imo, not true.

*Candy Kappa* · 12-30-2015, 05:21 PM

No doubt it's a part of his loincloth piece. The gif in question, the "tail" doesn't align very well with his spine to begin with.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-30-2015, 08:33 PM

I wanna congratulate Duckie on the two hours of her life she'll never get back. Or maybe it's "send condolences". Not sure.

If after TWO HOURS you still can't tell it's just part of his goofy outfit, when everyone else can clearly tell with a lot less work, you need a stronger prescription for your glasses, sorry. Yeah, it's maybe misaligned a little bit. Elsa's ponytail passes through her arm sometimes in "Frozen", sh*t happens, that's why CGI is bullsh*t.

Also: If you look at the tip when it moves, it bends backwards slightly, indicating it's flat. Like a strip of leather. Which is all it is. The two outer strips - the one on the polar opposite side of which you can only make out when the shadows flicker, but can still be clearly seen moving in sync with the one in question - are wider and thicker than the many thinner ones in between them.

C'mon, this is like, the absolute silliest of hills to die on.

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Occam's Razor is a thing, and people should know it is a thing.

I kind of agree. I think it should be renamed "Leo's Razor", though. As in the one I cut people with for being obstinate.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-02-2016, 10:20 PM

Well, whatd'ya know- I was WONDERING when Trick would show up and put in his 1 and 1/2 cents in. So- how's Tricks? Still for kids? So glad you could join the discussion and add such an astute and interesting contribution. Thanks for coming by.

Anyway, whether anyone else thinks it is or not, I'm convinced enough to stand by what I can see pretty clearly from not just the gif but other shots, too. Don't really care anymore. And it's not Occam's razor if its an objective observation based on simple VISIBLE evidence. There's nothing to assume- it's just purely objective study of the available data, which I went through in detail.

And Leo, the analyst in me won't rest until I'm satisfied one way or another on a subject that perks my interest, so NO, I'm not just being obstinate- I'm doing what comes naturally to me- that is, picking it apart from as many different angles as possible until I feel I've got the best answer possible. And I didn't mind those two hours at all! It was kind of fun to hunt for more images where it's visible, and I needed to go through those screen-caps and weed out the blurred or otherwise useless ones, anyway. So killing two birds with one stone there. Thanks for the motivation to finally do it.

Well, feel free to call it whatever you want, guys. It hardly matters now that they're all wearing pants now, anyway- we'll never know for sure. For me, it's a tail- cause I REFUSE to believe that PD actually gave them human-like peens....

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-02-2016, 10:52 PM

Those tags.

Although I don't like seeing people I like disagree, I do love the zaniness of this whole thread.

*TrickOrTreater* · 01-02-2016, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Well, whatd'ya know- I was WONDERING when Trick would show up and put in his 1 and 1/2 cents in. So- how's Tricks? Still for kids? So glad you could join the discussion and add such an astute and interesting contribution. Thanks for coming by.

You're literally posting paragraphs worth of text about whether a CG thing between an ugly Ninja Turtle's legs in a sh*tty Ninja Turtles movie is a tail or a piece of loin cloth.

Loin cloth.

Forgive me if I don't join in on it with "astute and interesting contributions."

I'm definitely calling it Leo's Razor now.

The simplest explanation is often THE CORRECT ONE.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-02-2016, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

You're literally posting paragraphs worth of text about whether a CG thing between an ugly Ninja Turtle's legs in a sh*tty Ninja Turtles movie is a tail or a piece of loin cloth.

Loin cloth.

Forgive me if I don't join in on it with "astute and interesting contributions."

I'm definitely calling it Leo's Razor now.

The simplest explanation is often THE CORRECT ONE.

So many things wrong with this.

Especially the fact that there is even a loin cloth present.

They're NINJA turtles, not SUMO turtles!!!

~~Leo656~~ · 01-03-2016, 04:14 AM

I just can't abide anyone, anywhere, choosing to be wrong on purpose. It's definitely part of his costume and there is no mystery about it.

And you shouldn't need to hope one of the animators or whoever would be so bored they'd deign to "confirm" something every sane person already knows, that it's just a piece of the outfit, before you feel it's "confirmed". Frankly, the fact it's VERY clear to everyone else looking at it should be plenty.

I'm seriously not trying to be a dick about this, it's just that you're not correct and it makes people look silly when they cling to things that aren't true. That's all it is. Like I said, I really need people to be better than this or I start losing faith. People can't just be "allowed" to think things that aren't true, I'm sorry I just have a real problem with it fundamentally, people are not entitled to their own facts. There is no Tooth Fairy, and that. IS NOT. a TAIL.

And to take it a step further, the topic was created in the first place by someone who's never contributed a single meaningful thing and who only exists to stir up nonsense. Need I say more? I think not. Anyone "curious" about whether or not it was a "tail" should have just glanced to the left, looked at the thread creator, and said "Wow, sh*t topic, why'd I click?" But to actually buy into the nonsense is just plain selling the rib.

Have at it if you must. It's complete nonsense, but I guess everyone needs their own personal windmill.

Just so you know, though, I kinda feel like we've hit this point with this "debate":

I'd never wear a shirt that color, but the point stands.

*Candy Kappa* · 01-03-2016, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Well, feel free to call it whatever you want, guys. It hardly matters now that they're all wearing pants now, anyway- we'll never know for sure. For me, it's a tail- cause I REFUSE to believe that PD actually gave them human-like peens....

PD modelers didn't give them anything.

If the skin that's hidden under the clothes isn't deleted in the final version of the CG model to save poly count, memory, and avoid clipping issues. They are bare like Ken Dolls.

plus, IndigoErth's images shows it's one of the bigger leather strips from his loincloth. it's the same shape as the "tail" in the gif.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-03-2016, 07:00 AM

I don't even care anymore if anyone agrees. If the simplest explanation is the correct one, then logically, it IS part of his body, because everyone has already admitted that it doesn't match the animation on the dang clothes! However, it DOES match the animation of his body, particularly of his legs and the bottom of his shell when he catches the falling egg. And I pointed out that other shot from the scene (not present in the gif) show the same thing and are at a different angle. I really don't care what anyone thinks. I looked at it objectively using logic and physical evidence and concluded that the hypothesis of tail or other appendage is the only way it makes sense. I simply dont think it CAN bre anything else based on how it moves.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-03-2016, 07:09 AM

Then with all due respect, it's for the best you don't drive. No offense intended. I'd get new lenses, personally, if it's that bad. Your eyes shouldn't be lying to you that much.

Meanwhile I genuinely feel bad you've wasted so much time on this. Yet another thing we can blame the nitwit responsible for this thread for.

*Candy Kappa* · 01-03-2016, 08:06 AM

No tails spotted in the snow chase scene, nor the final fight with Shredder, and there's plenty of up skirt moments.

I'm getting serious flashes from turtles scientific name changes and hinges on red-eared sliders debate.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-03-2016, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

No tails spotted in the snow chase scene, nor the final fight with Shredder, and there's plenty of up skirt moments.

I'm getting serious flashes from turtles scientific name changes and hinges on red-eared sliders debate.

If you actually watched the movie again as proof, you're a braver person than I am. I applaud your diligence while questioning your priorities.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-03-2016, 08:25 AM

With all due respect Leo my lenses are fine. Zoomed in the gif to about five times on several viewings to be sure. But whatever. Regardless who found it- and since he said he found it on tumblr he's clearly not the first- I wanted to examine the evidence for myself. My first thought was actually loincloth too, but it just didn't look right for that to be the case. Which is why I spent so much time and effort to look closer in the first place. It just didnt fit what is there. Tails or d*cks do. That's it. But fine. If you ALL want it to just be something as uninteresting as an EXTREMELY errant piece of clothing, we can just go with that and drop the whole damn thing. Ya happy guys? Now I'm just ticked that I'm getting called out as willfully obtuse or blind. Thanks ever so much for the vote of cinfidence. Peace out.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-03-2016, 08:33 AM

I wasn't trying to make it personal. It'd be the exact same if a person was misled into thinking the sky was really pink, just because a crummy out-of-context photo gave them that impression. They'd still need to be corrected no matter how deeply they believed the incorrect information.

A person simply can't have a mountain of evidence on one hand, and "But if you squint, kinda..." on the other hand, and embrace the latter. At least they shouldn't do that. That's not how deductive reasoning is supposed to work.

This thread - and its creator - need to be thrown in a ditch and decorated with slug-covered leaves. The slugs will no doubt resemble tails or penises to many but there's nothing I can do about that.

*Candy Kappa* · 01-03-2016, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

This thread - and its creator - need to be thrown in a ditch and decorated with slug-covered leaves. The slugs will no doubt resemble tails or penises to many but there's nothing I can do about that.

Third Eagle of the Apocalypse would totally see the slugs as phallic symbols, the guy is hilarious.

*IndigoErth* · 01-03-2016, 04:43 PM

Phallic slugs... I think topics on the internet have peaked, they can not get anymore weird from here on out.

(Though I'm certain someone will still try.)

*Galactus* · 01-03-2016, 06:06 PM

Y'know this is why that onion article on the then upcoming TMNT dick n' balls was so great because it was actually along the lines of what might happen. After all if someone is going to give the characters visible genitals it's Michael Bay.

To be fair I think the simplest explanation is that it's supposed to be part of his costume and it's simply not animated well. Not to disparage ILM but their work on the the 2014 movie was hardly their best. Didn't Raph have li'l red underoos underneath his loin cloth? Stands to reason Leo would have blue ones.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-03-2016, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galactus

Y'know this is why that onion article on the then upcoming TMNT dick n' balls was so great because it was actually along the lines of what might happen. After all if someone is going to give the characters visible genitals it's Michael Bay.

To be fair I think the simplest explanation is that it's supposed to be part of his costume and it's simply not animated well. Not to disparage ILM but their work on the the 2014 movie was hardly their best. Didn't Raph have li'l red underoos underneath his loin cloth? Stands to reason Leo would have blue ones.

I'd completely forgotten about Raphie's red 'roos.

*IndigoErth* · 01-03-2016, 06:37 PM

Yes, Raph's red undies. One might have thought that if anyone gives not much of a crap about such modesty it would have been him, not Leo.

(Poor Leo might have been beet red over this thread...)

12-30-2015, 05:21 PM	#42
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	No doubt it's a part of his loincloth piece. The gif in question, the "tail" doesn't align very well with his spine to begin with. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

01-02-2016, 10:20 PM	#44
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Well, whatd'ya know- I was WONDERING when Trick would show up and put in his 1 and 1/2 cents in. So- how's Tricks? Still for kids? So glad you could join the discussion and add such an astute and interesting contribution. Thanks for coming by. Anyway, whether anyone else thinks it is or not, I'm convinced enough to stand by what I can see pretty clearly from not just the gif but other shots, too. Don't really care anymore. And it's not Occam's razor if its an objective observation based on simple VISIBLE evidence. There's nothing to assume- it's just purely objective study of the available data, which I went through in detail. And Leo, the analyst in me won't rest until I'm satisfied one way or another on a subject that perks my interest, so NO, I'm not just being obstinate- I'm doing what comes naturally to me- that is, picking it apart from as many different angles as possible until I feel I've got the best answer possible. And I didn't mind those two hours at all! It was kind of fun to hunt for more images where it's visible, and I needed to go through those screen-caps and weed out the blurred or otherwise useless ones, anyway. So killing two birds with one stone there. Thanks for the motivation to finally do it. Well, feel free to call it whatever you want, guys. It hardly matters now that they're all wearing pants now, anyway- we'll never know for sure. For me, it's a tail- cause I REFUSE to believe that PD actually gave them human-like peens.... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

01-02-2016, 10:52 PM	#45
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Those tags. Although I don't like seeing people I like disagree, I do love the zaniness of this whole thread. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

01-03-2016, 07:00 AM	#50
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I don't even care anymore if anyone agrees. If the simplest explanation is the correct one, then logically, it IS part of his body, because everyone has already admitted that it doesn't match the animation on the dang clothes! However, it DOES match the animation of his body, particularly of his legs and the bottom of his shell when he catches the falling egg. And I pointed out that other shot from the scene (not present in the gif) show the same thing and are at a different angle. I really don't care what anyone thinks. I looked at it objectively using logic and physical evidence and concluded that the hypothesis of tail or other appendage is the only way it makes sense. I simply dont think it CAN bre anything else based on how it moves. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

01-03-2016, 08:06 AM	#52
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	No tails spotted in the snow chase scene, nor the final fight with Shredder, and there's plenty of up skirt moments. I'm getting serious flashes from turtles scientific name changes and hinges on red-eared sliders debate. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

12-30-2015, 05:14 PM	#41
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	http://i.imgur.com/qRgv3Uo.jpg You be the judge, but imo when compared side by side I feel that the most likely explanation is that the second from left strip of leather, esp given the curved cut of it, may be pretending to be something it's not. I mean, given how the material wraps around the backside of him, from the right angle the strips to either side probably would look closer to front than those in the center behind him. Not to want to get into debating it or anything, people are free to think or hope what they want, but some of the discussion just feels personal enough in his business - fictional or not - it's hard to not feel like wanting to defend him if it is, imo, not true.

01-03-2016, 04:14 AM	#48
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I just can't abide anyone, anywhere, choosing to be wrong on purpose. It's definitely part of his costume and there is no mystery about it. And you shouldn't need to hope one of the animators or whoever would be so bored they'd deign to "confirm" something every sane person already knows, that it's just a piece of the outfit, before you feel it's "confirmed". Frankly, the fact it's VERY clear to everyone else looking at it should be plenty. I'm seriously not trying to be a dick about this, it's just that you're not correct and it makes people look silly when they cling to things that aren't true. That's all it is. Like I said, I really need people to be better than this or I start losing faith. People can't just be "allowed" to think things that aren't true, I'm sorry I just have a real problem with it fundamentally, people are not entitled to their own facts. There is no Tooth Fairy, and that. IS NOT. a TAIL. And to take it a step further, the topic was created in the first place by someone who's never contributed a single meaningful thing and who only exists to stir up nonsense. Need I say more? I think not. Anyone "curious" about whether or not it was a "tail" should have just glanced to the left, looked at the thread creator, and said "Wow, sh*t topic, why'd I click?" But to actually buy into the nonsense is just plain selling the rib. Have at it if you must. It's complete nonsense, but I guess everyone needs their own personal windmill. Just so you know, though, I kinda feel like we've hit this point with this "debate": I'd never wear a shirt that color, but the point stands.

01-03-2016, 07:09 AM	#51
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Then with all due respect, it's for the best you don't drive. No offense intended. I'd get new lenses, personally, if it's that bad. Your eyes shouldn't be lying to you that much. Meanwhile I genuinely feel bad you've wasted so much time on this. Yet another thing we can blame the nitwit responsible for this thread for.

01-03-2016, 08:25 AM	#54
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	With all due respect Leo my lenses are fine. Zoomed in the gif to about five times on several viewings to be sure. But whatever. Regardless who found it- and since he said he found it on tumblr he's clearly not the first- I wanted to examine the evidence for myself. My first thought was actually loincloth too, but it just didn't look right for that to be the case. Which is why I spent so much time and effort to look closer in the first place. It just didnt fit what is there. Tails or d*cks do. That's it. But fine. If you ALL want it to just be something as uninteresting as an EXTREMELY errant piece of clothing, we can just go with that and drop the whole damn thing. Ya happy guys? Now I'm just ticked that I'm getting called out as willfully obtuse or blind. Thanks ever so much for the vote of cinfidence. Peace out. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

01-03-2016, 08:33 AM	#55
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I wasn't trying to make it personal. It'd be the exact same if a person was misled into thinking the sky was really pink, just because a crummy out-of-context photo gave them that impression. They'd still need to be corrected no matter how deeply they believed the incorrect information. A person simply can't have a mountain of evidence on one hand, and "But if you squint, kinda..." on the other hand, and embrace the latter. At least they shouldn't do that. That's not how deductive reasoning is supposed to work. This thread - and its creator - need to be thrown in a ditch and decorated with slug-covered leaves. The slugs will no doubt resemble tails or penises to many but there's nothing I can do about that.

01-03-2016, 04:43 PM	#57
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Phallic slugs... I think topics on the internet have peaked, they can not get anymore weird from here on out. (Though I'm certain someone will still try.)

01-03-2016, 06:06 PM	#58
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	Y'know this is why that onion article on the then upcoming TMNT dick n' balls was so great because it was actually along the lines of what might happen. After all if someone is going to give the characters visible genitals it's Michael Bay. To be fair I think the simplest explanation is that it's supposed to be part of his costume and it's simply not animated well. Not to disparage ILM but their work on the the 2014 movie was hardly their best. Didn't Raph have li'l red underoos underneath his loin cloth? Stands to reason Leo would have blue ones.

01-03-2016, 06:37 PM	#60
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Yes, Raph's red undies. One might have thought that if anyone gives not much of a crap about such modesty it would have been him, not Leo. (Poor Leo might have been beet red over this thread...)