Tmnt 2 is making less than half what the original made

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Also lets be honest- no one really KNOWS a movie is good or bad until they've SEEN it. But people are getting tired of trying to tell which ones will be "good". They just don't care as much any more.

The general movie audience relies heavily on RT scores and reviews before seeing movies.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

And yet almost none of them are making what they were expected to. Aside from Deadpool which was mostly a novelty thing based on tone and the fact it was R rated.

Yes, the second sequel in a series and the umpteenth movie in a connected universe series that opened at 180 million OW and earned over a billion world wide "underperformed."

Compared to Winter Soldier from 2014 which made 95 million OW and 714 million WW.

That blew THIS little bit out of the water good and hard

The point is that "good" or not, a movie franchise that sold well even two years ago is not doing as well this year.

Complete bullsh*t.

And never mind Deadpool which has the highest box office for an R rated movie EVER, but ALSO opened in February to the tune of 132 million dollars.

February is where movies go to die quietly, especially action movies that get summer releases. And it STILL blew everybody away.

Some of the "s**tty comic movies" were decent but people are just getting bored of the genre.

Yes, that's why BayTurtles 2 is failing so hard. It was actually a decent movie but people are just bored of comic book movies now.

That's the reason. Yeah.

Not because it's a sh*t movie or anything.

As I said, I'm married to one of them.

I super don't care.

And have talked to others who say the same thing- too many comic book movies to keep up with, and a lot of them deal with characters no one ever heard of.

And yet GotG, a property NO ONE in the general public knew was a thing in any way, and to a lesser extent Deadpool, who has some cult status but still isn't like a Wolverine or Spider-Man, completely exploded at the box office.

The fact is this movie, with no REAL competition this weekend, in June, just bombed at the box office opening weekend.

Because it's bad.

[Foombamaroom]

I'm mixed here, but mostly with Treater.

Commenter's right: CBM fatigue is going to happen eventually. But right now, I don't think it is.

CBM/Sci-Fi movies are now the king of the box office; they're being held to high standards. When people see that a movie is complete garbage from online reviews, of course they're not gonna go see it. They're going to go see the movies that are worth paying for. That's how it's been with dramas, comedies, etc. And now it's happening for CBMs.

People keep saying that comic book fans aren't the majority, but I'm not so sure about that. People who grew up on comics with these characters? Definitely aren't the majority. But the new superhero movies have spawned in plenty of new fans. Hell, I didn't go heavy into comics until Avengers came out in 2012. Comic characters are so easy to research nowadays. Hell, if you wanna read comics, I can name 3 sites off the top of my head that have free comics.

But people, no matter whether or not they're fans or not, want to see decent movies. BayTurtles 2 has almost nothing going for it. It made the casual audiences look down upon it, it pissed the fans of the franchise off, and it apparently isn't doing as well with the kids as they want it to.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

I'm mixed here, but mostly with Treater.

Commenter's right: CBM fatigue is going to happen eventually. But right now, I don't think it is.

CBM/Sci-Fi movies are now the king of the box office; they're being held to high standards. When people see that a movie is complete garbage from online reviews, of course they're not gonna go see it. They're going to go see the movies that are worth paying for. That's how it's been with dramas, comedies, etc. And now it's happening for CBMs.

Oh I have no doubt that the fatigue will set in sooner or later. But the genre is reinvigorated when you get things like Deadpool, Daredevil(not a movie movie but it also blew everybody away), etc.

When you take chances, when you have people on these projects that CARE, when you adapt them WELL, and when there's talent involved, friggin' amazing things happen.

Not a single one of those goddamn things happened with BayTurtles and they got LUCKY the first go around.

It's biting them in the ass this time, thankfully.

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Oh I have no doubt that the fatigue will set in sooner or later. But the genre is reinvigorated when you get things like Deadpool, Daredevil(not a movie movie but it also blew everybody away), etc.

When you take chances, when you have people on these projects that CARE, when you adapt them WELL, and when there's talent involved, friggin' amazing things happen.

Not a single one of those goddamn things happened with BayTurtles and they got LUCKY the first go around.

It's biting them in the ass this time, thankfully.

It's nice to know that people want to hold Ninja Turtles to some standard. You could easily shrug the stupidity of this movie off as "Oh, it's Ninja Turtles," as most casual audiences do. But it's nice to see that people don't want to pay money to shrug a movie off. It gives me hope that, when the franchise gets rebooted, it'll be helmed by people who love the characters and stories that come with the franchise.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

It's nice to know that people want to hold Ninja Turtles to some standard. You could easily shrug the stupidity of this movie off as "Oh, it's Ninja Turtles," as most casual audiences do. But it's nice to see that people don't want to pay money to shrug a movie off. It gives me hope that, when the franchise gets rebooted, it'll be helmed by people who love the characters and stories that come with the franchise.

I know you're speaking about people in general, but for me? I love these characters. I've loved them all my life.

I KNOW they're capable of a lot more, of better. They're certainly worthy of better.

They don't deserve some f*cking talentless hack like Michael Bay and his douchebag friends screwing them up.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Oh I have no doubt that the fatigue will set in sooner or later. But the genre is reinvigorated when you get things like Deadpool, Daredevil(not a movie movie but it also blew everybody away), etc.

I know I've said as much before, but the real shame here is that TMNT is perfectly suited to stand out and thrive in the current pop culture atmosphere... if they'd take it back to its original comic-book satire roots. Smartly send up the superhero tropes and also tell a good story. There's never been a better time for it.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Oh I have no doubt that the fatigue will set in sooner or later. But the genre is reinvigorated when you get things like Deadpool, Daredevil(not a movie movie but it also blew everybody away), etc.

When you take chances, when you have people on these projects that CARE, when you adapt them WELL, and when there's talent involved, friggin' amazing things happen.

Not a single one of those goddamn things happened with BayTurtles and they got LUCKY the first go around.

It's biting them in the ass this time, thankfully.

The point is, you're not likely to find a studio who "cares".

Dead Pool was made in-spite of itself.

That could happen with Turtles, we want that to happen, but based on this weekend, it won't.

And even when if a reboot does happen, chances it will be the kind of movie we actually want are slim to none. WE are the demo NOW. The next cycle will be for the kids who loved Nick, if another cycle even happens.

Unless some white knight/ BMF like me or you comes riding out of the woodwork to salvage this mess, the next resurrection of TMNT will be even further removed than this.

Originally Posted by Bry

I know I've said as much before, but the real shame here is that TMNT is perfectly suited to stand out and thrive in the current pop culture atmosphere... if they'd take it back to its original comic-book satire roots. Smartly send up the superhero tropes and also tell a good story. There's never been a better time for it.

Exactly. The time is/was now. not in 5-10 years.

In 2014, when I threw tantrum after tantrum, it wasn't just because we'd have to endure a shitfest, but because that shitfest was going to kill the whole goddamned rebirth of TMNT.

I said, 2014 will make bank on brand, but if it blows, nobody's coming back for a second helping.

Guess what. Here we are, in the moment which, in some parallel universe, A fantastic continuation to an incredible film has just exploded at the B.O.

Instead, we're here, in this ******verse, with crickets.

If they hope to salvage this mother at all, it's gonna take better brains than the ones who broke it.

[MathUser]

I don't get why people are calling this a comic book movie. Turtles has seen more popularity in it's tv incarnations than it has as a comic. And the current movie is based more off a tv show than it is the comic. I'm pretty sure rocksteady and bebop were created for the tv show.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by MathUser

I don't get why people are calling this a comic book movie. Turtles has seen more popularity in it's tv incarnations than it has as a comic. And the current movie is based more off a tv show than it is the comic. I'm pretty sure rocksteady and bebop were created for the tv show.

So has the Justice League, to the point where a lot of people still think they're called "The Super Friends", but the comics still came first.

Yes, Bebop and Rocksteady were created for the show (or more accurately the toyline) but the turtles themselves came from a comic book.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So has the Justice League, to the point where a lot of people still think they're called "The Super Friends", but the comics still came first.

Yes, Bebop and Rocksteady were created for the show (or more accurately the toyline) but the turtles themselves came from a comic book.

I like to say Bebop and Rocksteady act similar to IDW but no they are almost dumber than the OT versions and far less destructive.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't think there's a CBM fatigue just yet, but we do have enough Comic Book Movies coming that people can pick and choose what they want to see.

You don't have to have the rat-meat chili at Wendy's, and actually go for something else.

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So has the Justice League, to the point where a lot of people still think they're called "The Super Friends", but the comics still came first.

Yes, Bebop and Rocksteady were created for the show (or more accurately the toyline) but the turtles themselves came from a comic book.

TMNT = Originally a comic.

Originally a comic = Comic.

Film based on TMNT = Comic book movie.

[Vicky82]

7 Reasons Why 'TMNT2' Stumbled at the Box Office

http://www.moviefone.com/2016/06/05/...ce=twitterfeed

I agree with this one

6. There's Only So Many Family Movie Dollars Out There
This might seem counterintuitive, especially now that school's out. But "TMNT" might have done better if it weren't competing against "Alice Through the Looking Glass," "The Angry Birds Movie," "The Jungle Book," and even "Zootopia" (still in 400 theaters after 14 weeks).

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

TMNT = Originally a comic.

Originally a comic = Comic.

Film based on TMNT = Comic book movie.

That's what I'm saying.

[ernesth100]

Oh no yeah. The films gon a prolly make like 200 mill max. Maybe less. No sequel coming. Luckily they got all the stuff out in this film. Krang, Baxter Stockman, Bebop and Rocksteady, and a good looking Shredder so Im good.

[Mew]

Originally Posted by ernesth100

No sequel coming.

I highly doubt this.

[snake]

I'm not too sure on a sequel for this. They'd have to be pretty dumb to make another flop.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Mew

I highly doubt this.

Why? The 2014 film barely broke even. This one isn't projected to do that unless it has a huge showing in China. Why would they dump more money at something that isn't giving them a return?

[Leolead]

Question is, what happens if they press the 'reset' button on the franchise again? Will the audience be game for another reboot so soon?