Vaping leading to deaths

[Andrew NDB]

A seventh person has died from "possible" e-cigarette use:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/healt...nia/index.html

E-Cigarette bans are already underway in a few states. All of this without any actual proven connection between the deaths and e-cigarettes/vaping and while data is still being gathered.

Where do you guys come down on this?

[IMJ]

LOL! -sarcasm- Who would've guessed?

Over the course of my life I've heard hundreds of idiots lie to themselves and others about any given substance. "I only smoke lights". "I only have a few a day." With vaping it was "it's not cigarettes."

I mean, isn't obvious? At least it should be to anyone with half a brain..... if you inhale basically any recreational use material into your lungs then you are eventually going to have a negative respiratory outcome. Hell, even the natural air isn't what it's supposed to be anymore, so what makes anyone think that vaping is "okay"?

But I think it should also be noted that these recent vaping stories do have some similarities to the "Summer of the Shark". I mean - there have to be hundreds of thousands of "vapers" who haven't harmed themselves - yet. I'm just saying this as a counter point. I think it's clear that vaping is a recreation for fools, but in these cases of harm I haven't heard much of anything about interactions (what else was being used), or quantity, etc.

[IndigoErth]

Yup, lungs don't like and were not meant for anything other than oxygen. Frequently inhaling something else into them... no kidding it may cause problems.

Shame if it really is leading to some deaths, though not at all surprised that there may be ill side effects. It's just a damned shame this stuff is so popular with kids. Saw that coming a mile away, that it would get getting kids addicted in reverse, when this crap first came out. And then they made it worse with flavors.

People are free to take their own risks with this junk though, I guess. It just shouldn't have ever been released to the public without proper studies, warnings, etc in place first.


Me personally... It's just another one of those things that I just don't see any real point in bothering with. Just a waste of money and risk of health, so meh, no thanks.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by IMJ

LOL! -sarcasm- Who would've guessed?

Over the course of my life I've heard hundreds of idiots lie to themselves and others about any given substance. "I only smoke lights". "I only have a few a day." With vaping it was "it's not cigarettes."

I mean, isn't obvious? At least it should be to anyone with half a brain..... if you inhale basically any recreational use material into your lungs then you are eventually going to have a negative respiratory outcome. Hell, even the natural air isn't what it's supposed to be anymore, so what makes anyone think that vaping is "okay"?

But I think it should also be noted that these recent vaping stories do have some similarities to the "Summer of the Shark". I mean - there have to be hundreds of thousands of "vapers" who haven't harmed themselves - yet. I'm just saying this as a counter point. I think it's clear that vaping is a recreation for fools, but in these cases of harm I haven't heard much of anything about interactions (what else was being used), or quantity, etc.

Potheads always use the "weed is harmless while tobacco is evil!" argument. Nothing surprising there. It's sad how a lot of potheads seem to actually believe that hoax.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

LOL! -sarcasm- Who would've guessed?

Over the course of my life I've heard hundreds of idiots lie to themselves and others about any given substance. "I only smoke lights". "I only have a few a day." With vaping it was "it's not cigarettes."

I mean, isn't obvious? At least it should be to anyone with half a brain..... if you inhale basically any recreational use material into your lungs then you are eventually going to have a negative respiratory outcome. Hell, even the natural air isn't what it's supposed to be anymore, so what makes anyone think that vaping is "okay"?

But I think it should also be noted that these recent vaping stories do have some similarities to the "Summer of the Shark". I mean - there have to be hundreds of thousands of "vapers" who haven't harmed themselves - yet. I'm just saying this as a counter point. I think it's clear that vaping is a recreation for fools, but in these cases of harm I haven't heard much of anything about interactions (what else was being used), or quantity, etc.

Although all of these cases seem to be traced back to one bootleg batch of weed oil, or something... and even there, nothing conclusive has come of it.

Me, personally... I wouldn't be surprised if there's a connection. What I'm not too keen on is slapping hard legislation based on only circumstantial evidence before anything conclusive is arrived at. Secondly, I'm not too keen on stuff being taken away from adults just to keep them away from children. I know a lot of ladies in their 20s and 30s that love their disgusting strawberry-watermelon or whatever vape. Even dudes that should lose their man card doing the same.

I tried to vape on two different occasions. Both times (separated by months), I ended up getting something like the flu a day or so later. Could be coincidence... no clue. I smoke cigarettes because they're delicious, though I make no bones that as I approach 40 that probably isn't a sustainable business plan for too much longer and will have to give it up.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What I'm not too keen on is slapping hard legislation based on only circumstantial evidence before anything conclusive is arrived at.

That's the intellectual evaluation of the situation, and I completely agree you. I've seen a lot of public policy reactions like this across my life, but I can say that "cancel culture" is more prolific nowadays with the "Millenial Mentality".

We used to call this mentality "absolute thinking", and everyone understood that negative descriptor. But somewhere along the way, millenials took a phony "leadership class" and were taught "leaders buck the trends and stay the course!" and so now in arrogance these people argue everything as if they are making the stand that will change the world. I saw the beginnings of this near the end of college and then later while working at a college.

This gives rise to the political-caterer. A politician who uses the millenial mentality for votes, and they appease the millenial mentalities by employing the political version of modern cancel culture. "Ban it!"

Cancel culture. Power for the powerless individual who has some kind of maladaptive life anger but doesn't actually give a **** about anyone else. Sure, those people can hold their own - when they are in a group wearing masks yammering on about old statues and hitting people from behind. Or yammering on about banning things.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

That's the intellectual evaluation of the situation, and I completely agree you. I've seen a lot of public policy reactions like this across my life, but I can say that "cancel culture" is more prolific nowadays with the "Millenial Mentality".

We used to call this mentality "absolute thinking", and everyone understood that negative descriptor. But somewhere along the way, millenials took a phony "leadership class" and were taught "leaders buck the trends and stay the course!" and so now in arrogance these people argue everything as if they are making the stand that will change the world. I saw the beginnings of this near the end of college and then later while working at a college.

This gives rise to the political-caterer. A politician who uses the millenial mentality for votes, and they appease the millenial mentalities by employing the political version of modern cancel culture. "Ban it!"

Cancel culture. Power for the powerless individual who has some kind of maladaptive life anger but doesn't actually give a **** about anyone else. Sure, those people can hold their own - when they are in a group wearing masks yammering on about old statues and hitting people from behind. Or yammering on about banning things.

Suffice to say I agree with all of this.

[Wildcat]

There was another smoking topic but my answer is the same. Why does anyone want to smoke in the first place when it’s proven to cause incurable diseases?

As for vaping, not having concrete evidence means nothing. It’s toxic and that’s the point. It’s not an alternative to cigarettes.

It’s funny, I watch a lot of old game show reruns, and just today during an episode of Password Plus the celebrity guest started smoking in the middle of the game.

I understand it was viewed differently then, it was the 70s, but it seriously took me back for a minute. Right in front the contestants. I’m sure you know they sit face to face. He put it down during turns but come on that couldn’t wait?

[LeonardoFromTMNT2003]

It's important to stay informed and cautious about the products we use, especially when it comes to vaping. The reports of vaping-related illnesses and deaths are concerning, and they highlight the need for more research and regulation in this area. It's always best to consult with health professionals and consider all risks when making choices about vaping or using any similar products.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by LeonardoFromTMNT2003

It's important to stay informed and cautious about the products we use, especially when it comes to vaping. The reports of vaping-related illnesses and deaths are concerning, and they highlight the need for more research and regulation in this area. It's always best to consult with health professionals and consider all risks when making choices about vaping or using any similar products.

Did you use ChatGPT to write this post, or what?

[Andrew NDB]

I repeat my last post. Except "three and a half years" and not 6 months.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Did you use ChatGPT to write this post, or what?

Right? I thought it was a Papenbrook post at first.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Right? I thought it was a Papenbrook post at first.

Yeah she.....

eh.
Yeah.

[LegionareX]

In my own experience with vaping, these reports have made me more cautious and aware of the importance of understanding what's in the products I use. I've been careful about where I purchase my vaping products. I usually get them from https://nexussmoke.com/ because they have diverse options, and I trust their quality. My favorite is the elf bar, mainly for its variety of flavours.