Question about Laird. - Page 3

*jeff the cheff* · 12-07-2003, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

I already said this, why on earth would he be jealous about the fact that children's cartoon characters are more popular? There is no reason. And since Mirage owns the characters, that would mean he is jealous of himself. Ridiculous claim that has nothing to back it up, I said it once, this should be dropped.

He doesnt own bebop, rocksteady, and krang. My point is that the way the cartoon did it was more popular then his way.

**Karpo_007** · 12-07-2003, 05:47 PM

He does. Or atleast his company Mirage studios does. He told this because many people tought copyrights were the reason why old characters wouldn't be used. He confirmed that Mirage studios owns the rights on every original characters created for the show.

*PizzaPower* · 12-07-2003, 06:13 PM

I belive that they sould put some more spunk in the new toon. You know a little mre funny stuff. Bepop and Rocksteady always made me lauge in that speical way.

*jeff the cheff* · 12-07-2003, 06:16 PM

I thought they didnt own rights to the old show.

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Why isn't there more info about the original TMNT cartoon on this site?

The rights for the original TMNT cartoon show are owned by the animation studio Fred Wolf Films. Mirage does not own any rights to reproduce images, sound files or movie files from the cartoon show on our site. Sorry

**Karpo_007** · 12-07-2003, 06:19 PM

Yes, thats what used to confuse me too. They own the characters, but not the show.

*Taloniss* · 12-07-2003, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PizzaPower

I belive that they sould put some more spunk in the new toon. You know a little mre funny stuff. Bepop and Rocksteady always made me lauge in that speical way.

They have lots of funny stuff in the new toon. It's the only show that makes me consistently laugh.

*PizzaPower* · 12-07-2003, 06:57 PM

true true utreu. I wish the new toon was funny like the old one used to be.

Donatello · 12-07-2003, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PizzaPower

I belive that they sould put some more spunk in the new toon. You know a little mre funny stuff. Bepop and Rocksteady always made me lauge in that speical way.

no, i think there's a perfect amount of humor, it doesn't affect the action or story at all, changeing it will ruin this show.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 12-07-2003, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Well I pretty much beleive the Americans wanted Drax's threat to be more...Global, I mean, the audience woul'nt care if one city was destroyed.

I'll only go off-topic for a second.

The only reason the theme of a nuclear warhead aimed at London was dumped for outer space was because EON wanted to capitalise on Star Wars, Star Trek, Capricorn One, 2001: A Space Odyssy, all those space films of the sixties and the seventies. Another thing, Ian Fleming died in 1964, three months before Goldfinger. They say he died of a heart attack, but I heard a rumour saying that he commited suicide because he hated the way his books were made into films, he only lived to see the first two.

DR. NO, well to start with, Dr. No was not the first Bond novel, Casino Royale was. In the Fleming novels Dr. No was a brilliant scientist with ties to S.M.E.R.S.H. the most feared division of Russian Inteligents. But in the film, we see Dr. No work for S.P.E.C.T.R.E., an international criminal organisation with no political ties, something Fleming didn't introduce till Thunderball (Two books after Dr. No). And the storyline has been changed too, here we see Dr. No trying to prevent the launch of a manned US moon rocket (Which knowing the truth about the Apollo program, was good thing). And gone was the grand finally in which Bond fights a giant squid.

FROM RUSSA WITH LOVE, while the storyline wasn't changed much, again they used S.P.E.C.T.R.E. rather than S.M.E.R.S.H. And while his position is the same, the title of Ernst Stavro Blofeld (The man with the white cat) is all wrong too, in the novels, Emilio Largo is S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Agent No. 1, in the films Blofeld is S.P.E.C.T.R.E. No. 1. And finally, the briefcase Q gives Bond was missing a few features from the book, such as the silencer for Bond beretta and the suicide tablet that Bond quickly disposes of.

Sorry for going off topic, thought I'd just point it out.

Back to the subject of Liard.

*Bry* · 12-07-2003, 08:29 PM

...man, I have to strongly disagree. The new show, to me, has a far better sense of humour than the old one did. Where I can find the new show funny, the old one can't get more than a groan out of me anymore.

The old show was made for little kids. And that's fine; I've still got an appreciation for it... But the new show appeals to children and adults, something that's awful hard to come by, and I'm glad that there's a version of the Turtles out there (aside from the first movie, that is) that can appeal to my inner child and my inner adult at the same time.

And, as has been said before... If you want to watch something like the old show, you've got nearly 200 episodes to choose from. Let us New TMNT fans have our time in the sun, alright?

*ZariusTwo* · 12-07-2003, 08:33 PM

It's a lot easier now to make sure a novel is turned into a proper adaptation, but then, Hollywood wanted to "sex things up" a little bit,

They considered S.P.E.C.T.R.E a far more appealing name than S.M.E.R.S.H (I disagree as well, but what can ya do?) and I was disgusted when they killed Largo off in "Thunderball"

I guarantee you, if Flemming had seen THAT, he would have died of a heart attack IMMEDIATLY.

*Roseangelo* · 12-08-2003, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Yes, thats what used to confuse me too. They own the characters, but not the show.

Artisan owns the rights to distribute the old show, they don't own it 100%. That's how Mirage can still have the rights to the characters and everything else.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 12-08-2003, 10:08 AM

this looks like two topic on one, some people talking about james bond and some others about Peter Laird

XD XD XD

*Mecha Cow* · 12-08-2003, 10:36 AM

I can understand that Laird wants to keep the new show as close to the comics as possible(In fact, I agree with him on that), it's his creation, and he shouldn't have to change it.

However, I do not approve of the way he treats people who critisize(sp?) him. It seems quite immature some times, tbqh. I'm sure he can get his point across in a more polite manner.

majesty329 · 12-08-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Definetly, even today I wonder why they decided to change the series like that.

The main reason they changed the format of the cartoon was because parents were preasuring the networks because they thought TMNT was too violent (I don't think it was). Anyway that's why they changed it because of parents complaining.

That's why the show became what it became especially the episodes on CBS, that's why they had one episode in which the Turtles fought Shredder and Krang and another episode in which the Turtles would fight so called real life villians (Big Louie, Pinky McFingers etc.).

**Karpo_007** · 12-08-2003, 03:39 PM

Yeah I have also suspected that too. Same reason ruined Secret of the Ooze.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-08-2003, 05:13 PM

I disagree, I liked the second movie and beleived nothing ruined it, not even the clear "Rocksteady and Beop"-excuses called "Toka and Razor", plus KEVIN NASH WAS SUPER-SHREDDER

(I was a mark for him then)

Donatello · 12-08-2003, 05:45 PM

oh, c'mon , super shredder was an absolute abomination of the TMNT universe

*Jephael* · 12-08-2003, 05:46 PM

I don't think Laird means to be snappy when he has to deal with people being critical. I know what it's like when something you've worked on for hours on end gets nitpicked.

As for the whole thing about parents whining about the TMNT being too violent, I don't think they would shut up no matter what the writers did to tone down the nature of the series. Even if they had the turtles simply bitch-slapping Rocksteady and Bebop, the grown ups would keep complaining.

Donatello · 12-08-2003, 05:48 PM

i agree, i'm just glad they're ignoring those loons this time around

12-07-2003, 06:13 PM	#43
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	I belive that they sould put some more spunk in the new toon. You know a little mre funny stuff. Bepop and Rocksteady always made me lauge in that speical way. __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

12-07-2003, 06:57 PM	#47
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	true true utreu. I wish the new toon was funny like the old one used to be. __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

12-07-2003, 08:29 PM	#50
Bry So Long, Stinktown! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,463	...man, I have to strongly disagree. The new show, to me, has a far better sense of humour than the old one did. Where I can find the new show funny, the old one can't get more than a groan out of me anymore. The old show was made for little kids. And that's fine; I've still got an appreciation for it... But the new show appeals to children and adults, something that's awful hard to come by, and I'm glad that there's a version of the Turtles out there (aside from the first movie, that is) that can appeal to my inner child and my inner adult at the same time. And, as has been said before... If you want to watch something like the old show, you've got nearly 200 episodes to choose from. Let us New TMNT fans have our time in the sun, alright? __________________ My Stuff: Webcomic \| Podcast \| DeviantArt \| YouTube \| Patreon

12-07-2003, 08:33 PM	#51
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,487	It's a lot easier now to make sure a novel is turned into a proper adaptation, but then, Hollywood wanted to "sex things up" a little bit, They considered S.P.E.C.T.R.E a far more appealing name than S.M.E.R.S.H (I disagree as well, but what can ya do?) and I was disgusted when they killed Largo off in "Thunderball" I guarantee you, if Flemming had seen THAT, he would have died of a heart attack IMMEDIATLY. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

12-08-2003, 05:13 PM	#57
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,487	I disagree, I liked the second movie and beleived nothing ruined it, not even the clear "Rocksteady and Beop"-excuses called "Toka and Razor", plus KEVIN NASH WAS SUPER-SHREDDER (I was a mark for him then) __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

12-07-2003, 05:47 PM	#42
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	He does. Or atleast his company Mirage studios does. He told this because many people tought copyrights were the reason why old characters wouldn't be used. He confirmed that Mirage studios owns the rights on every original characters created for the show.

12-07-2003, 06:19 PM	#45
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yes, thats what used to confuse me too. They own the characters, but not the show.

12-08-2003, 10:08 AM	#53
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	this looks like two topic on one, some people talking about james bond and some others about Peter Laird XD XD XD

12-08-2003, 10:36 AM	#54
Mecha Cow Gorgeous and modest too Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,699	I can understand that Laird wants to keep the new show as close to the comics as possible(In fact, I agree with him on that), it's his creation, and he shouldn't have to change it. However, I do not approve of the way he treats people who critisize(sp?) him. It seems quite immature some times, tbqh. I'm sure he can get his point across in a more polite manner.

12-08-2003, 03:39 PM	#56
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah I have also suspected that too. Same reason ruined Secret of the Ooze.

12-08-2003, 05:45 PM	#58
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	oh, c'mon , super shredder was an absolute abomination of the TMNT universe __________________ "There's no way to describe what I do. It's just me." -Andy Kaufman (my biggest inspiration, the TMNT being a close second)

12-08-2003, 05:46 PM	#59
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I don't think Laird means to be snappy when he has to deal with people being critical. I know what it's like when something you've worked on for hours on end gets nitpicked. As for the whole thing about parents whining about the TMNT being too violent, I don't think they would shut up no matter what the writers did to tone down the nature of the series. Even if they had the turtles simply bitch-slapping Rocksteady and Bebop, the grown ups would keep complaining. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

12-08-2003, 05:48 PM	#60
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	i agree, i'm just glad they're ignoring those loons this time around __________________ "There's no way to describe what I do. It's just me." -Andy Kaufman (my biggest inspiration, the TMNT being a close second)