Brie Larson the frontrunner for Captain Marvel

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

The train didn't need to be stopped; I don't think any of us even wanted to ruin a train on Brie. We're all gentlemen here.

I still can't stand Brie she comes off as smug and thinks she is gods gift to feminism

[Leo656]

Anyone who didn't think "Captain Marvel" was brilliant is a Sexist. Anyone who didn't think "Black Panther" was brilliant is a Racist. Anyone who thought "The Last Jedi" sucked is both Sexist AND Racist.

What a f*cking fantastic time to be alive.

Also, I'd pay at least $3 to see someone run a train on Brie Larson. Just sayin'.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

It still made over a billion.

Sexist critics couldn't stop the train.

I really don't think its sexiest to call her a bad actor or to say it was a bad movie...... Literally I have not seen a single person IRL or on this forum condemn this movie bc of Brie Larson's sex......

Unfortunately the sad truth is I am sure there are people out there who wanted this movie to fail just bc of her politics or ideals which is disappointing.... But I feel like this narrative that you and others are pushing "Support Captain Marvel or you are a bigot" is being blown way out of proportion....

I am glad to see another Female lead movie succeed, hopefully this will lead to more and more. Hopefully we eventually get a solo Spider-Gwen movie in the near future!!

I am disappointed in the fact that this movie was not great in terms of quality, but I am glad to see that it was a financial success and will probably lead to more Female solo movies like I sad up above.

This movie was pretty much Batman v Superman 2.0 Financially a boom, but bad quality.

[Papenbrook]

People are allowed to dislike/abhor Captain Marvel. They're allowed to not recommend this film. They are even allowed to criticize the direction that Disney/Marvel is taking the MCU.

Basically, I've got no issue with any of their critiques if said critiques happen to center around/relate to any of the above propositions.

With that in mind, the vast majority of watchers/reviewers are being unnecessarily critical towards not only this film, but also towards Brie Larson herself. Saying things like, "Brie Larson hates white men!", or "Brie Larson is sexist/racist towards white men!", has absolutely nothing to do with the film itself; they're just basically saying that they can't even bother to have a mature conversation/review. Those/These specific set of individuals have a "serious" issue with Brie Larson herself, and the insecurity/immaturity that surrounds their critiques reflect their overall close-mindedness towards ... people with different views/perspectives than they themselves. That's ... just pathetic.

Rating/Review-bombing a film, just because of what a person said in an interview ( that doesn't even relate to its universe, let alone the film itself ), is, quite frankly, just laughable. Because that speaks volumes about what their tolerance/acceptance level is. ( I know they wouldn't do that with a white male lead that headlined a particular movie, or even a male lead that shared the same, or similar views [ as/with Brie Larson ]. )

That's why I called them sexist critics, because they just hate anything/anyone that doesn't share the same mindset/reality as them. They just can't handle something different; if Marvel even thinks about hiring an outspoken feminist to headline their film, the vast majority of reviewers would lose it. That, again, speaks more about them than it does about Brie Larson.

I have absolutely zero respect for grown men who go on and harass/belittle people ( in this particular case, women ) who think that media should be judged fairly within reasonable merits, and/or who think that media should expand narratives that don't align with what they ( toxic male critics ) think is "acceptable" ( I.e., "mainstream" ); that just shows how intolerant they are.

That's why I hoped that the film would prove their efforts ineffective, and it certainly did.

[Voltron]

You can also save yourself a headache by not jumping into that cesspool. I loved Black Panther. I thought it was a really fun movie with a relevant story.

Captain Marvel was fun, but it was more a spectacle than anything else. The story wasn't Shakespeare, but I wasn't expecting that. I just wanted to see someone use laser beams to blow up aliens.

That's exactly what I got.

Why people think these movies are targeted specifically at them on a personal level is beyond me.

[Leo656]

Most "white male leads" would have the awareness not to say things in interviews like, "I don't care if women or black people care about this movie, it isn't for them."

I'm pretty "meh" about Brie Larson because I've only seen her in "Kong", and she was fine in that. But she says stupid stuff in interviews and invited ALL of the criticism upon herself. People were right to either roll their eyes and/or call her an idiot, because the things she says are stupid. And if it makes them not care about her movie(s), that's also their prerogative. I agree, it's childish, but them's the breaks. I was never gonna see this one anyway, but seeing her bury herself in interview after interview definitely made it a much easier decision to not care. She's just as childish and immature as anyone. Don't put your neck out if you don't don't want people to take a swipe at it. Common sense.

There was no "conspiracy". She said dumb stuff about who "deserved" to have an opinion and people rightfully got pissy with her for it. That was it. Hopefully she learned something, but I doubt it, because her movie made a lot of money, so I doubt she'll speak any differently going forward. The rule of thumb is, "If you can't flip the race or gender without making a statement horrible, don't say it." But Straight White Males are presently "Evil", and thus anyone can say any stupid thing about them without repercussions. I don't think that's very fair, and I do think it's fine for people who say those things to be given a hefty amount of sh*t. It's not like anyone was stalking Brie Larson or leaving dead animals on her doorstep; they said snarky sh*t on message boards and claimed they weren't going to see her movie, which most of them probably did anyway. This is a non-story. Brie Larson is neither a crusader nor a victim, she's a spoiled brat and a mediocre actress who gets roles based on her admittedly-good looks and simply shouldn't talk so much. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Good for her that her movie made money. So did "Avatar", and like "Avatar", everyone seemingly moved right on to the Next Thing very quickly, so I'm not sure this film will ultimately have the cultural impact they were hoping for. In 10 or 20 years we'll know for sure whether they made a Modern Classic or just got lucky and managed to capitalize on the "Endgame" hype. Not being personally involved as I'm not a fan of these movies, I'll say this: I definitely heard a lot more people still buzzing about "Black Panther" after this much time had passed. Seems to me like people really, really just couldn't wait to see another Marvel flick before "Endgame". I could be wrong but that's my observation. I think any film given that release date and "You MUST see this movie before you see 'Endgame'!" advertising push would have done just as well. I don't think the quality of the film or the power of feminism had anything to do with it. Maybe a little bit but not to an extreme degree. People are extremely loyal to the Marvel brand; she's merely lucky enough to be along for the ride.

At the very least, I hope she realizes that the movie didn't make a billion because of anything she did; it had nothing to do with her and everything to do with the marketplace. But she does seem like the type to believe it was all thanks to her, so... yeah. Anyways, people rushing to her "rescue" makes me laugh. Not necessary. She doesn't need defenders, she needs someone to coach her how not to come off like a snot.

[Papenbrook]

On a slightly different, but nonetheless relevant, note, Brie Larson has just made history!

Congrats, Brie!

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

It still made over a billion.

Sexist critics couldn't stop the train.

And yet videos such as that one came out well after and the audience score on RT is still actively dropping. Strange ain't it? It's almost as if people don't actually like this movie and mainly watched it because it was marketed as the all-important bridge between the fourth highest grossing movie of all time and it's direct sequel... Or something...

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

Rating/Review-bombing a film, just because of what a person said in an interview ( that doesn't even relate to its universe, let alone the film itself ), is, quite frankly, just laughable. Because that speaks volumes about what their tolerance/acceptance level is. ( I know they wouldn't do that with a white male lead that headlined a particular movie, or even a male lead that shared the same, or similar views [ as/with Brie Larson ]. )

James Gunn..... Literally James Gunn The head of the Guardians of Galaxy franchise got removed from the project, a freaking director got removed. Forget about being a lead, the freaking director got removed. I think Hollywood has become pretty open and overall better in terms of Gender equality, but they still have more room for improvement.

I think the problem is that Brie Larson was trying to be vocal about the inequality female leads, but instead of trying to be inclusive she was exclusive as previous post have indicated her comment of "This movie is not for men" speaks of exclusion, not inclusion.

I also agree that it is ridiculous that people would try or want a movie to fail solely bc of comments an actor made.... You think they would have something better to do than to review bomb a movie.

[Vegita-San]

not to get into this whole mess again with people who've already made up their minds about stuff ....


But you ABSOLUTELY can judge an entire project based on one actors comments. chances are they are favored by the people making the project, and THAT is why people bomb a movie before it's release.

case in point, feigbusters, star wars.

[Papenbrook]

No, you can't, as they have virtually nothing to do with the film(s) itself/themselves.

Ask Chris Evans if he received this sort of harassment during his "CA: CW" tenure.

[Leo656]

Chris Evans is actually really good at his job, though.

That's kind of a variable.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

No, you can't, as they have virtually nothing to do with the film(s) itself/themselves.

Ask Chris Evans if he received this sort of harassment during his "CA: CW" tenure.

I don't remember Chris Evans trumpeting his movie as a triumph for men everywhere and that, if women didn't like the movie, their opinions don't matter.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Chris Evans is actually really good at his job, though.

That's kind of a variable.

[Papenbrook]

Brie never said nor implied that the movie "wasn't made for men in mind", or that it was a "triumph for women everywhere".

And even if she did, that wouldn't ever be used as an excuse for the harassment.

[Xav]

You're acting like Brie Larson is the first person to ever be insulted on the internet.

[Papenbrook]

It's the ferocity and frequency of the harassment that just makes it both indefensible and inexcusable.

It's disgusting.

[Jester]

[Leo656]

It's not "harassment", it's Commentary.

You know that "Let people enjoy things" meme? Well it works in reverse, too. People are allowed to express a negative opinion if it's how they truly feel. So long as they don't go overboard.

I mean, we probably have a much different idea of what constitutes "overboard". But the point still stands.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's not "harassment", it's Commentary.

You know that "Let people enjoy things" meme? Well it works in reverse, too. People are allowed to express a negative opinion if it's how they truly feel. So long as they don't go overboard.

I mean, we probably have a much different idea of what constitutes "overboard". But the point still stands.

careful...daring to say somethings around here gets certain people upset ;o)

[Leo656]

Everybody has a right to an opinion. Just don't be a piece of sh*t.

Should be simple.