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Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 10-18-2002, 07:06 AM

It's kind of funny to me to think of the cartoon Turtles as teenagers because they certainly didn't act like teenagers. They seemed more in their mid-twenties to me.

I don't care who you are, no one can do the things Donatello has done in just their teens. That dude can create portals to other Dimensions and stuff. Many kids can't even get their homework done for their next day's underwater basket-weaving course.

Raphael: "Sopho University; it's where Donatello got his degree."
Michaelangelo: "I think I missed that episode."
Donatello: "Really? Oh, yeah, I was brilliant."

From "Too Hot to Handle"

*heretic888* · 10-18-2002, 09:06 AM

yeah, but then again, NO ONE at all could do what Donatello could do, regardless of age. the cartoon tmnt were somtimes stupidly unrealistic.

and, regardless to what reznorite said, the cartoon Michelangelo was more often than not treated as an idiot and acted like one. it was an insult to the character.

The mutagenic process i referred to is from the mirage tmnt. the idea that the mutagen makes you 'turn' into the animal you last touched is really, really silly. as far out as an 'evolutionary stimulant' may be, the idea of an 'animal turner' is flat-out ridiculous.....

the cartoon turtles struck me as about 15. they certainly werent was mature as you think.... but then again, it was just a cartoon

Cherubae · 10-18-2002, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiger Powers

Besides I have to admit it was a bit better than Saban's other production The big bad beetle borg's, or whatever it was called......come on we all know it was an even cheesier form of PR

Hehe true true and that blue "ghost".. flabber or whatever his name was.

Although the ultimate in cheesiness was the TNM/PR crossover

- Cher

**HorseTechie** · 10-18-2002, 10:39 AM

*fwump* back on topic

Another thing that really bothered me about the TNM was HOW they portrayed Venus. The fact they had a girl in the show wasn't my problem. They had other female roles in the other versions that come off rather well.

They way they stereotyped her drove me nuts. Thank goodness she wasn't wearing PINK too! Since I know many Asian students who speak english as a second langugae at college and in my in-law family, I know they did a horrible job for Venus. C'mon... just cause they can't speak english doesn't mean they are stoooopid. And also, they have mroe problems with the grammar and pronunciations (p's, b's, f's, r/l's, s/z/x's) than they do in trying to say American slang. Since they don't understand our idioms as much, they are less inclined to use them until they know for sure.

Okay.. now I can go on my merry way now that's off my chest.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 10-18-2002, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

and, regardless to what reznorite said

I was agreeing with you...

**Kali** · 10-18-2002, 10:38 PM

I have to agree with HT about the poor job they did with Venus' character. Although that doesn't bother me as much as when some fan fic authors have her speaking broken English. *smacks her forehead*

*R-iZZy* · 10-19-2002, 01:29 AM

*speaks with a Venus de Milo accent* hmmm... what is it that u mean of this "broken english"? i find it offensive. *throws shanobi ball at Kali, but intentionally misses*

hmmm... i wish to see examples of this "broken english".

**Karpo_007** · 10-19-2002, 09:52 AM

Ok first i reply to the original topic. I have seen few clips and i must say the next mutation is a poor power rangers rip off.It might have worked for kids tough.

And on to the next point. Turtles are not teenagers in the new comic. They just didnt change the title. Why should they have? Adult Mutant Ninja Turtles? I think it's good they kept the title.

*heretic888* · 10-19-2002, 10:49 AM

maybe they should have just called it "Mutant Ninja Turtles" (as they called themselves in the Image series, or just "Ninja Turtles"??? it doesnt really matter, i suppose......

and i apologize to reznorite if what i said was seen as an insult. i obviously misintepreted you.

as for Venus, she was just a horrible mistake to begin with (as Mr. Laird has expressed on many occasions). set aside the female and asian sterotyping, and the ridiculous idea that the turtles arent really 'brothers' so that means she isnt really thier 'sister' (apparently some genius thought there would be actual romance in a Saban show)...... the whole idea of the 'shinobi' is ridiculous (and insulting to ninjutsu practitioners).

lemme explain. Shinobi is a Japanese word (NOT a Chinese one). It is, very simply, another pronounciation of the kanji character usually called 'nin'. nin is the character used in ninja, ninjutsu, and ninpo. IN OTHER WORDS, 'shinobi-jutsu' and 'nin-jutsu' ARE THE EXACT SAME WORD!!!! shinobi and a ninja are just two different words for the same thing. the idea that a 'ninja' is a Japanese warrior focusing on the physical aspects of the martial arts and a 'shinobi' is a Chinese shaman focusing on the so-called spiritual aspects of the martial arts is ludicrous......

all in all, venus was just a really bad, really stupid character.

**HorseTechie** · 10-19-2002, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

lemme explain. Shinobi is a Japanese word (NOT a Chinese one). It is, very simply, another pronounciation of the kanji character usually called 'nin'. nin is the character used in ninja, ninjutsu, and ninpo. IN OTHER WORDS, 'shinobi-jutsu' and 'nin-jutsu' ARE THE EXACT SAME WORD!!!! shinobi and a ninja are just two different words for the same thing. the idea that a 'ninja' is a Japanese warrior focusing on the physical aspects of the martial arts and a 'shinobi' is a Chinese shaman focusing on the so-called spiritual aspects of the martial arts is ludicrous......

Yes.. that sooo confused me too! Why did she call herself shinobi if she grew up in a Chinese enviroment! I made the mistake once, when we were watching a Chinese flick like Crouching Tiger, and I asked my husbnad if they were like Shinobi. He got so mad, since he has this dislike for the Japanese martial law anyway. He said shinobi were nothing like these chinese warriors, etc. etc.

I also wasn't clear if Venus even came from China. How the heck did she get to NYC from there so easily!? Would make more sense if she grew up in CHina Town. Stupid plot indeed...

*heretic888* · 10-19-2002, 11:16 AM

"I made the mistake once, when we were watching a Chinese flick like Crouching Tiger, and I asked my husbnad if they were like Shinobi. He got so mad, since he has this dislike for the Japanese martial law anyway. He said shinobi were nothing like these chinese warriors, etc. etc."
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Actually, the ninja/shinobi have far more in common with Chinese martial arts than your husband probably wants to admit.

Ninjutsu is much more similar to Chinese internal martial arts (such as Tai Chi, Hsing-I, Pa Kua, and so on) than the conventional martial arts of the samurai (most bujutsu and jujutsu schools) and Okinawans (most karate).
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"I also wasn't clear if Venus even came from China. How the heck did she get to NYC from there so easily!? Would make more sense if she grew up in CHina Town. Stupid plot indeed..."
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Yeah, she was supposed to be from China. I guess she took a boat...

**Karpo_007** · 10-19-2002, 11:20 AM

I have read that both Kevin and Peter resisted the idea of Venus(Peter more than kevin)but it was Fox who called the shots... So either they would come up with female character or there wouldnt be any show...

**Kali** · 10-19-2002, 11:38 AM

Let's see... "broken English", gah, how do I explain that one. Like "We go to store now." as a statement. She had trouble with slang, not the language in general.

Plot holes, those silly little things I tried to patch up in my fics. Shinobi - to explain that term I said that Chinese mystic warriors (the Shinobi) mirgrated from China to Japan when they began being prosecuted, where they intergrated and eventually inspired the early creation of ninjutsu. Not sure how historically accurate that is, though.

As for how Venus got from China to New York in such short time. A boat would have taken days, if not weeks, depending on whether she took a boat all the way to New York, or got off on the West Coast and traveled by land. I doubt the Turtles would have waited that long before considering getting help for Splinter.

Yes, I figured that one out too, (at least in my mind,) taking a page for Xena.

*heretic888* · 10-19-2002, 11:41 AM

"Shinobi - to explain that term I said that Chinese mystic warriors (the Shinobi) mirgrated from China to Japan when they began being prosecuted, where they intergrated and eventually inspired the early creation of ninjutsu. Not sure how historically accurate that is, though."
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interesting idea, but the word shinobi itself IS a japanese word, NOT a chinese one. however, it is true that much of the ninja's martial arts came from warriors and mystics that fled China during the collapse of T'ang Dynasty (starting around 900 CE). and there are no Chinese traditions that kept those now-Japanese martial arts in tact.

**Kali** · 10-19-2002, 11:45 AM

Yes, I am well aware that Shinobi is a Japanese word. *shrugs* Perhaps it's merely a translation. Maybe their original name was lost somewhere in history.

Of course, there's always the chance that the Saban writers were merely horrible ignorant, but what are the odds of that?

*heretic888* · 10-19-2002, 11:49 AM

well, the 'nin' kanji is chinese in origin...... i just dont know the chinese word for it.

the saban writers bein' ignorant??? nahhhhh.......

RESOL · 10-19-2002, 03:29 PM

First Off TNM completly sucked, The acting was terrible, the costumes looked stupid, and where in the hell did the 5th female turtle come from.

Now that I have made my point onto the mutagen.

I really don't know ar care how it affects the aging procses but I don't reall care either, I like them now and the's what I have to say about that.

*Storm Wolf* · 10-19-2002, 09:05 PM

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Yes, I am well aware that Shinobi is a Japanese word. *shrugs* Perhaps it's merely a translation. Maybe their original name was lost somewhere in history.

Of course, there's always the chance that the Saban writers were merely horrible ignorant, but what are the odds of that?

I think Perhaps they were aiming it at little kids.....simple productions for simple minds....they didn't figure any older, smarted people were going to watch the show and figure the "Shinobi thingy" out.......but thats only my opinion.

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First Off TNM completly sucked, The acting was terrible, the costumes looked stupid, and where in the hell did the 5th female turtle come from.

Maybe they figured that all of the TMNT fans were all grown up and don't atch cartoons anymore (don't take offense please) so they made the turtles however they wished thinking no one would notice or remember the originals............Hey this is just a thought.

RESOL · 10-19-2002, 11:31 PM

I see your point but I still would like to know where the 5th turtle came from.

*Storm Wolf* · 10-19-2002, 11:36 PM

*shrugs*
wish I could tell you

10-18-2002, 09:06 AM	#62
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem yeah, but then again, NO ONE at all could do what Donatello could do, regardless of age. the cartoon tmnt were somtimes stupidly unrealistic. and, regardless to what reznorite said, the cartoon Michelangelo was more often than not treated as an idiot and acted like one. it was an insult to the character. The mutagenic process i referred to is from the mirage tmnt. the idea that the mutagen makes you 'turn' into the animal you last touched is really, really silly. as far out as an 'evolutionary stimulant' may be, the idea of an 'animal turner' is flat-out ridiculous..... the cartoon turtles struck me as about 15. they certainly werent was mature as you think.... but then again, it was just a cartoon __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-19-2002, 01:29 AM	#67
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	speaks with a Venus de Milo accent hmmm... what is it that u mean of this "broken english"? i find it offensive. throws shanobi ball at Kali, but intentionally misses hmmm... i wish to see examples of this "broken english". __________________

10-19-2002, 10:49 AM	#69
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm maybe they should have just called it "Mutant Ninja Turtles" (as they called themselves in the Image series, or just "Ninja Turtles"??? it doesnt really matter, i suppose...... and i apologize to reznorite if what i said was seen as an insult. i obviously misintepreted you. as for Venus, she was just a horrible mistake to begin with (as Mr. Laird has expressed on many occasions). set aside the female and asian sterotyping, and the ridiculous idea that the turtles arent really 'brothers' so that means she isnt really thier 'sister' (apparently some genius thought there would be actual romance in a Saban show)...... the whole idea of the 'shinobi' is ridiculous (and insulting to ninjutsu practitioners). lemme explain. Shinobi is a Japanese word (NOT a Chinese one). It is, very simply, another pronounciation of the kanji character usually called 'nin'. nin is the character used in ninja, ninjutsu, and ninpo. IN OTHER WORDS, 'shinobi-jutsu' and 'nin-jutsu' ARE THE EXACT SAME WORD!!!! shinobi and a ninja are just two different words for the same thing. the idea that a 'ninja' is a Japanese warrior focusing on the physical aspects of the martial arts and a 'shinobi' is a Chinese shaman focusing on the so-called spiritual aspects of the martial arts is ludicrous...... all in all, venus was just a really bad, really stupid character. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-19-2002, 11:16 AM	#71
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	heh "I made the mistake once, when we were watching a Chinese flick like Crouching Tiger, and I asked my husbnad if they were like Shinobi. He got so mad, since he has this dislike for the Japanese martial law anyway. He said shinobi were nothing like these chinese warriors, etc. etc." ------ Actually, the ninja/shinobi have far more in common with Chinese martial arts than your husband probably wants to admit. Ninjutsu is much more similar to Chinese internal martial arts (such as Tai Chi, Hsing-I, Pa Kua, and so on) than the conventional martial arts of the samurai (most bujutsu and jujutsu schools) and Okinawans (most karate). ----------------------------- "I also wasn't clear if Venus even came from China. How the heck did she get to NYC from there so easily!? Would make more sense if she grew up in CHina Town. Stupid plot indeed..." ----- Yeah, she was supposed to be from China. I guess she took a boat... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-19-2002, 11:41 AM	#74
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem "Shinobi - to explain that term I said that Chinese mystic warriors (the Shinobi) mirgrated from China to Japan when they began being prosecuted, where they intergrated and eventually inspired the early creation of ninjutsu. Not sure how historically accurate that is, though." ----------- interesting idea, but the word shinobi itself IS a japanese word, NOT a chinese one. however, it is true that much of the ninja's martial arts came from warriors and mystics that fled China during the collapse of T'ang Dynasty (starting around 900 CE). and there are no Chinese traditions that kept those now-Japanese martial arts in tact. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-18-2002, 07:06 AM	#61
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	It's kind of funny to me to think of the cartoon Turtles as teenagers because they certainly didn't act like teenagers. They seemed more in their mid-twenties to me. I don't care who you are, no one can do the things Donatello has done in just their teens. That dude can create portals to other Dimensions and stuff. Many kids can't even get their homework done for their next day's underwater basket-weaving course. Raphael: "Sopho University; it's where Donatello got his degree." Michaelangelo: "I think I missed that episode." Donatello: "Really? Oh, yeah, I was brilliant." From "Too Hot to Handle"

10-18-2002, 10:39 AM	#64
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	fwump back on topic Another thing that really bothered me about the TNM was HOW they portrayed Venus. The fact they had a girl in the show wasn't my problem. They had other female roles in the other versions that come off rather well. They way they stereotyped her drove me nuts. Thank goodness she wasn't wearing PINK too! Since I know many Asian students who speak english as a second langugae at college and in my in-law family, I know they did a horrible job for Venus. C'mon... just cause they can't speak english doesn't mean they are stoooopid. And also, they have mroe problems with the grammar and pronunciations (p's, b's, f's, r/l's, s/z/x's) than they do in trying to say American slang. Since they don't understand our idioms as much, they are less inclined to use them until they know for sure. Okay.. now I can go on my merry way now that's off my chest.

10-18-2002, 10:38 PM	#66
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I have to agree with HT about the poor job they did with Venus' character. Although that doesn't bother me as much as when some fan fic authors have her speaking broken English. smacks her forehead

10-19-2002, 09:52 AM	#68
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Ok first i reply to the original topic. I have seen few clips and i must say the next mutation is a poor power rangers rip off.It might have worked for kids tough. And on to the next point. Turtles are not teenagers in the new comic. They just didnt change the title. Why should they have? Adult Mutant Ninja Turtles? I think it's good they kept the title.

10-19-2002, 11:20 AM	#72
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I have read that both Kevin and Peter resisted the idea of Venus(Peter more than kevin)but it was Fox who called the shots... So either they would come up with female character or there wouldnt be any show...

10-19-2002, 11:38 AM	#73
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Let's see... "broken English", gah, how do I explain that one. Like "We go to store now." as a statement. She had trouble with slang, not the language in general. Plot holes, those silly little things I tried to patch up in my fics. Shinobi - to explain that term I said that Chinese mystic warriors (the Shinobi) mirgrated from China to Japan when they began being prosecuted, where they intergrated and eventually inspired the early creation of ninjutsu. Not sure how historically accurate that is, though. As for how Venus got from China to New York in such short time. A boat would have taken days, if not weeks, depending on whether she took a boat all the way to New York, or got off on the West Coast and traveled by land. I doubt the Turtles would have waited that long before considering getting help for Splinter. Yes, I figured that one out too, (at least in my mind,) taking a page for Xena.

10-19-2002, 11:45 AM	#75
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Yes, I am well aware that Shinobi is a Japanese word. shrugs Perhaps it's merely a translation. Maybe their original name was lost somewhere in history. Of course, there's always the chance that the Saban writers were merely horrible ignorant, but what are the odds of that?

10-19-2002, 11:49 AM	#76
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	heh well, the 'nin' kanji is chinese in origin...... i just dont know the chinese word for it. the saban writers bein' ignorant??? nahhhhh....... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-19-2002, 03:29 PM	#77
RESOL Mouser Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Somewhere in the great blue yonder of Texas Posts: 13	First off First Off TNM completly sucked, The acting was terrible, the costumes looked stupid, and where in the hell did the 5th female turtle come from. Now that I have made my point onto the mutagen. I really don't know ar care how it affects the aging procses but I don't reall care either, I like them now and the's what I have to say about that. __________________ I am the one you used to make fun of and call LOSER. Now I am back, back for vengance, back for BLOOD!!!

10-19-2002, 11:31 PM	#79
RESOL Mouser Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Somewhere in the great blue yonder of Texas Posts: 13	I see your point I see your point but I still would like to know where the 5th turtle came from. __________________ I am the one you used to make fun of and call LOSER. Now I am back, back for vengance, back for BLOOD!!!