tmnt and religio-spirituality - Page 4

*Kameko* · 10-29-2002, 02:49 PM

You're '8' came out as a smiley, SC...

*Skeletoncrew* · 10-29-2002, 03:23 PM

I hadn't noticed that!

GreenWillow · 10-29-2002, 10:39 PM

~I thought you did that on purpose-- some cryptic commentary on Eight Points--

~GW

*Skeletoncrew* · 10-30-2002, 04:04 AM

No, I'm not that clever!

**HorseTechie** · 10-30-2002, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenWillow

~I think that makes you pretty close to a Leo kinda girl, HT.

Heh...well, I was wrong, anyway. I was thinking 8.

That's what I mean.. in that the way the tests presented those questins, I could have gone either way on many. I decided to rate myself as how I react to things in the real world, like at school or at work.

But I am quite different online... so the second time I took this with my online personality, I came out with a 5 and an 8 as the highest (with 1 and 7 as next highest).

*I must live with the TMNT trapped in my heeeead!*

GreenWillow · 10-30-2002, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorseTechie

That's what I mean.. in that the way the tests presented those questins, I could have gone either way on many. I decided to rate myself as how I react to things in the real world, like at school or at work.

~Kinda funny, cuz part of my "guess" was based on stuff you've shared from your RL situations...

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorseTechie

But I am quite different online... so the second time I took this with my online personality, I came out with a 5 and an 8 as the highest (with 1 and 7 as next highest).

~Prolly the thing to do would be to go through that whole site and read the various little bits about the points and see what feels most like you. Each point has two Wings, which also can have an influence.
Or maybe you are more your "Real Self" online! Hrm... there's an interesting thought....

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorseTechie

*I must live with the TMNT trapped in my heeeead!*

~LOL! Hey, I can like, totally relate....

~GW

**HorseTechie** · 10-30-2002, 01:30 PM

That's something I've wondered... which is the real me? Or how fine is that line between an Achiever and a Challenger?

*runs off to plot how takeover the internet world*

*heretic888* · 10-31-2002, 03:02 PM

to summarize my earlier posts, the tmnt are probably Taoist-Buddhists.

*heretic888* · 11-04-2002, 11:47 AM

bump. heh heh heh.

**HorseTechie** · 11-04-2002, 12:31 PM

*closes eyes... takes in deep breath*

Oooooommmmmm......

*ducks bap*

GreenWillow · 11-04-2002, 02:25 PM

~Wha--? Bump? Om? Criminy! Yes, I want to talk about this, but if I don't get this project completed I know about ten or fifteen fanfic authors who are going to start organizing a lynch mob soon....ack.
Yeah. Zen Buddhist/Taoist. I concur.

Oh, funny thing: I'm on several non-TMNT related lists (this is supposed to be proof that I have a life outside the TMNT) some being about spirituality and/or Paganism. One Internet newbie was terribly taken with my website ("How did you DO that?" <snicker>) and said she was going to refer some friends who were "new to Paganism" over. I tried to explain that my website has very little to do with Paganism and that I really suspected that the Ninja Turtles were Buddhist, but I think the point was entirely lost....
HT--check yer email! Quick!

~GW...newbies are so cute....I was never that cute though....

**HorseTechie** · 11-05-2002, 10:07 AM

(( done did!

))

*wonders how one can confuse Asian religion with Paganism* They do have common similarities, what with the nature worship and rituals, but I doubt they are the same. That's like saying Catholicism is Paganistic because of their use of rituals and idols too. Oy...

**azure turtle** · 11-05-2002, 08:52 PM

*gasp*
I can't believe I missed this! Hey GW, that test you linked to is like the ultimate personality quiz! 'Twas a lot of fun... Unfortunately, I don't remember what my number spread was. All I remember was being described as a 3.

*heretic888* · 11-07-2002, 11:42 AM

Well, in a certain sense 'paganism' just refers to any non judeo-christian tradition. however, it was ORIGINALLY used to refer to the Mystery Schools throughout the Mediterranean (Greece, Egypt, Syria, etc etc.). Nowadays, people use it primarily to refer to the tribal religions of Western Europe.

In a certain sense, Christianity IS paganism. That is, the original 'christian religion' was creating by merging the pagan Mystery Schools with Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah), and the figure of "Jesus Christ" is essentially a merger of the Jewish messiah and the Pagan dying and resurrecting godman. In fact, original Christianity (Gnosticism) was almost identical to the pagan Mystery Schools. It was only centuries later that Christianity took on a more 'fundamentalist' and 'literalist' flavor (the Gnostics knew the stories about Jesus and Jesus himself were metaphors).

As for Buddhism. Well, Buddhism has very little in common with some of the tribal religions of Western Europe, but has much in common with the Greco Mystery Schools. However, at root, all religions are one, so to speak. So, I could probably draw a parallel to any two religious traditions in that the true goal of ALL religion is oneness with "Spirit" (however IT is conceived) via meditative and contemplative practices.

Yeah, the TMNT are buddhist in nature. I tend to think they are a combination of Taoist, Zen Buddhist, and Tantric Buddhist (think Tibetan Buddhism), with perhaps some elements of secular Shinto.

GreenWillow · 11-08-2002, 11:58 AM

~One primary difference I see between the "fundamentalist" religions (like the more modern manifestations of Christianity and Islam) is the idea that the Creator is some external being--separate from Creation itself. A God who is Out There somewhere is more capable of passing judgement upon his creations--hence the more judgemental nature of those religions and the rigid morality that seems to go with them.
Paganisms, Taoism, Gnosticism, envision the divine as being inseparable, immanent throughout all of existance. All of life is sacred in this context because it is ALL "God".
And by extension, rather than seeing myself as a human being who has spiritual experiences, I see myself as a spiritual being having this human experience.

~GW

*terran631* · 11-08-2002, 12:08 PM

*feels WAY outta her league but cant resist* Am I a man who dreamed he was butterfly...or a butterfly who is dreaming he is a man?

Or am I neither and just a really obsessed TMNT fan?

GreenWillow · 11-08-2002, 12:18 PM

~"C"-- obsessed TMNT fan.
Me too.

~GW

**HorseTechie** · 11-08-2002, 01:44 PM

Moooo... behold the Holy Cow.

GreenWillow · 11-09-2002, 08:25 AM

~Reminds me more of the Cerebus......well, wait, the Goddess-centered religions of the Indus Valley and (pre-Hinduism) did consider the cow to be a symbol of the Goddess (the horns and face of cattle mirror the female reproductive organs) and the origins of Triple Goddess tradition (Mother, Maiden, Crone) do go back to those times, too.
Ok, HT, where and when does that piece of art come from?

.....oh, nevermind, I found it. It's the Hindu Cow Goddess, Kaamdhenu. I forgot how many Hindu dieties have multiple heads and limbs.....
~GW

*heretic888* · 11-16-2002, 01:23 PM

Quote:

~One primary difference I see between the "fundamentalist" religions (like the more modern manifestations of Christianity and Islam) is the idea that the Creator is some external being--separate from Creation itself. A God who is Out There somewhere is more capable of passing judgement upon his creations--hence the more judgemental nature of those religions and the rigid morality that seems to go with them.
Paganisms, Taoism, Gnosticism, envision the divine as being inseparable, immanent throughout all of existance. All of life is sacred in this context because it is ALL "God".
And by extension, rather than seeing myself as a human being who has spiritual experiences, I see myself as a spiritual being having this human experience.

damn straight.

I think you gotta remember though that there have ALWAYS been 'fundamentalists' and 'literalists' in pretty much all religions. The Pagan 'fundamentalist' was much more common than the Pagan 'Gnostic'. Although the ESSENCE and CORE of ALL religions is the basic mysticism you described, gw, the vast majority of the followers of those religions do not acknowledge this.

It just so happens that Buddhism and Taoism doesnt tend to have 'fundamentalists' because it more or less lays everything out instead of encoding the teachings in myths about resurrecting Sons of God and so on.

10-29-2002, 03:23 PM	#62
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10-29-2002, 10:39 PM	#63
GreenWillow Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Mountains Posts: 425	~I thought you did that on purpose-- some cryptic commentary on Eight Points-- ~GW __________________ Hugs, kisses, GreenFaerieDust(tm) and a small vial of Belladonna. Life is good.

10-30-2002, 04:04 AM	#64
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10-31-2002, 03:02 PM	#68
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem to summarize my earlier posts, the tmnt are probably Taoist-Buddhists. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

11-04-2002, 11:47 AM	#69
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm bump. heh heh heh. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-29-2002, 02:49 PM	#61
Kameko Sister to the TMNT Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 2,756	You're '8' came out as a smiley, SC...

10-30-2002, 01:30 PM	#67
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	That's something I've wondered... which is the real me? Or how fine is that line between an Achiever and a Challenger? runs off to plot how takeover the internet world

11-04-2002, 12:31 PM	#70
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	closes eyes... takes in deep breath Oooooommmmmm...... ducks bap

11-04-2002, 02:25 PM	#71
GreenWillow Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Mountains Posts: 425	~Wha--? Bump? Om? Criminy! Yes, I want to talk about this, but if I don't get this project completed I know about ten or fifteen fanfic authors who are going to start organizing a lynch mob soon....ack. Yeah. Zen Buddhist/Taoist. I concur. Oh, funny thing: I'm on several non-TMNT related lists (this is supposed to be proof that I have a life outside the TMNT) some being about spirituality and/or Paganism. One Internet newbie was terribly taken with my website ("How did you DO that?" <snicker>) and said she was going to refer some friends who were "new to Paganism" over. I tried to explain that my website has very little to do with Paganism and that I really suspected that the Ninja Turtles were Buddhist, but I think the point was entirely lost.... HT--check yer email! Quick! ~GW...newbies are so cute....I was never that cute though.... __________________ Hugs, kisses, GreenFaerieDust(tm) and a small vial of Belladonna. Life is good.

11-05-2002, 10:07 AM	#72
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	(( done did! )) wonders how one can confuse Asian religion with Paganism They do have common similarities, what with the nature worship and rituals, but I doubt they are the same. That's like saying Catholicism is Paganistic because of their use of rituals and idols too. Oy...

11-05-2002, 08:52 PM	#73
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	gasp I can't believe I missed this! Hey GW, that test you linked to is like the ultimate personality quiz! 'Twas a lot of fun... Unfortunately, I don't remember what my number spread was. All I remember was being described as a 3. __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

11-07-2002, 11:42 AM	#74
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	abouts religion Well, in a certain sense 'paganism' just refers to any non judeo-christian tradition. however, it was ORIGINALLY used to refer to the Mystery Schools throughout the Mediterranean (Greece, Egypt, Syria, etc etc.). Nowadays, people use it primarily to refer to the tribal religions of Western Europe. In a certain sense, Christianity IS paganism. That is, the original 'christian religion' was creating by merging the pagan Mystery Schools with Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah), and the figure of "Jesus Christ" is essentially a merger of the Jewish messiah and the Pagan dying and resurrecting godman. In fact, original Christianity (Gnosticism) was almost identical to the pagan Mystery Schools. It was only centuries later that Christianity took on a more 'fundamentalist' and 'literalist' flavor (the Gnostics knew the stories about Jesus and Jesus himself were metaphors). As for Buddhism. Well, Buddhism has very little in common with some of the tribal religions of Western Europe, but has much in common with the Greco Mystery Schools. However, at root, all religions are one, so to speak. So, I could probably draw a parallel to any two religious traditions in that the true goal of ALL religion is oneness with "Spirit" (however IT is conceived) via meditative and contemplative practices. Yeah, the TMNT are buddhist in nature. I tend to think they are a combination of Taoist, Zen Buddhist, and Tantric Buddhist (think Tibetan Buddhism), with perhaps some elements of secular Shinto. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

11-08-2002, 11:58 AM	#75
GreenWillow Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Mountains Posts: 425	~One primary difference I see between the "fundamentalist" religions (like the more modern manifestations of Christianity and Islam) is the idea that the Creator is some external being--separate from Creation itself. A God who is Out There somewhere is more capable of passing judgement upon his creations--hence the more judgemental nature of those religions and the rigid morality that seems to go with them. Paganisms, Taoism, Gnosticism, envision the divine as being inseparable, immanent throughout all of existance. All of life is sacred in this context because it is ALL "God". And by extension, rather than seeing myself as a human being who has spiritual experiences, I see myself as a spiritual being having this human experience. ~GW __________________ Hugs, kisses, GreenFaerieDust(tm) and a small vial of Belladonna. Life is good.

11-08-2002, 12:08 PM	#76
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	feels WAY outta her league but cant resist Am I a man who dreamed he was butterfly...or a butterfly who is dreaming he is a man? Or am I neither and just a really obsessed TMNT fan?

11-08-2002, 12:18 PM	#77
GreenWillow Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Mountains Posts: 425	~"C"-- obsessed TMNT fan. Me too. ~GW __________________ Hugs, kisses, GreenFaerieDust(tm) and a small vial of Belladonna. Life is good.

11-08-2002, 01:44 PM	#78
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	Moooo... behold the Holy Cow.

11-09-2002, 08:25 AM	#79
GreenWillow Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Mountains Posts: 425	~Reminds me more of the Cerebus......well, wait, the Goddess-centered religions of the Indus Valley and (pre-Hinduism) did consider the cow to be a symbol of the Goddess (the horns and face of cattle mirror the female reproductive organs) and the origins of Triple Goddess tradition (Mother, Maiden, Crone) do go back to those times, too. Ok, HT, where and when does that piece of art come from? .....oh, nevermind, I found it. It's the Hindu Cow Goddess, Kaamdhenu. I forgot how many Hindu dieties have multiple heads and limbs..... ~GW __________________ Hugs, kisses, GreenFaerieDust(tm) and a small vial of Belladonna. Life is good.