Best Shredder Ever!

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by remix17

I agree with your post, except for one thing--how was Old Toon Shredder NOT evil? He committed attempted murder more times than anyone cares to count, tried to enslave the planet on an almost weekly basis, and was generally bad mutha. Being evil does not mean being evilly creative, or successful, or impressive--it's merely about being evil.

Yes, TMNT A Shredder was evil, I know he commited attempted murder, but TMNT B Shredder has committed actual murder. He's gone all the way.

[remix17]

...the only difference is that OT Shredder failed, but not by choice. The intent was the same.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Yes, but New Shredder's actually done it, so that's why he's my pick. He's faithful to his Mirage counterpart in that way. Old Shredder is faithful in the look(also, that he's a human).

[Riddle_these_Skittles]

The main reason I like the Old Shredder is because I grew up watching him plot his evil plans against the turtles.

However, the new shredder brings new meaning and color to the word evil!!!!!!!!!!

[pwnage]

The new Shredder is really mean, and nasty. But he lacks dimenson, besides the fact that he was an alien. Odd, more like a gimmick than anything.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by pwnage

The new Shredder is really mean, and nasty. But he lacks dimenson, besides the fact that he was an alien. Odd, more like a gimmick than anything.

I totally agree that's how I feel about allot of The New Show Characters.
-Putrescent

[remix17]

Yeah, which is a shame, because he could have been an awesome character (not that he isn't cool, but he isn't as cool, IMHO). Old Toon Shredder wasn't always growling and getting pissed off (though he did a fair amount of that too) unlike new Shredder.

[BartAllen]

mirage shredder, because like another poster said. he was not affaird of death, and he was willing to kill himself to finish the turtles. i dont see the OT, NT, or any of the others doing that. not to say that they arent evil, they definitely are. but i still have to go with the original just for the fact.

[remix17]

New Toon died. He may not have killed himself but he was too stubborn to back down and run like hell when he had the chance.

[zkarlette]

I really like the New toon shredder he acts and looks like a good serious villian,....but I guess my favorite would be the old toon shredder cause he always made me laugh specially with all his fights with krang

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by remix17

New Toon died. He may not have killed himself but he was too stubborn to back down and run like hell when he had the chance.

I wouldn't call it being stubborn, he wwas trying to get the job done now, that just shows how relentless he is. Like the Turtles, he dosen't back down, he'' stay and finish the job.

[remix17]

True. But when you have a few seconds to bail out of a room before there's a big explosion, and you stick around to fight....that's [pretty stubborn. Not to mention kinda stupid.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I would say thats not really stupid. Most likely he was trying to keep the turtles there with him, that way, they all would die. And maybe he already knew the foot had the technology to bring him back.

[DrSpengler]

Mirage: He was in what, 5 issues total (that's counting worm-clones)? A good template, I guess, but not the best.

Archie: Never read the comics, but I want too.

Movie: I liked him in the first one, but he was too goofy in the second one.

Old Toon: He was goofy...but really funny. Awesome costume, too. Hard choice.

New Toon: This one's pure evil. I had to choose him over the old toon. Couldn't help it.

Next Mutation: Well, isn't NM the same continuity as the movies? Anyway, never watched enough of it to be sure.


So yeah, New Toon won out over Old Toon but only by a little. They're two extremely different characters, but they're both awesome for different reasons.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by Putrescent

I totally agree that's how I feel about allot of The New Show Characters.
-Putrescent

You two can't be serious.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

You two can't be serious.

You two? Who's the other one.....
I am serious though....I could actually sit and talk about each character from the new show except the regulars like Karai, & Hun who was even boring and flat when he first came into the show.
-Putrescent

[Jester]

Originally Posted by BartAllen

mirage shredder, because like another poster said. he was not affaird of death, and he was willing to kill himself to finish the turtles. i dont see the OT, NT, or any of the others doing that. not to say that they arent evil, they definitely are. but i still have to go with the original just for the fact.

Leo: Shredder, you've gotta listen to reason! You'll destroy us all!
Super-Shredder: Then so be it!!!

So if that's a guage of Shredder's awesomeness, then SotO Super-Shredder ranks with Mirage. Nah!

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by Putrescent

You two? Who's the other one.....
I am serious though....I could actually sit and talk about each character from the new show except the regulars like Karai, & Hun who was even boring and flat when he first came into the show.
-Putrescent

So Karai and Hun we boring and shallow, while characters Rocksteady and Bebop were gods. I've heard that before and I fail to see the logic in that. Karai and Hun are really deep characters who have really come into their own since Shredder bit it. And they were intresting characters to begin with. IMHO it was the old show characters that were flat and at times boring. The new show(while unfortunatley bringing us Garbageman), has also brought us well thought out and great characters like Hun, Aganet Bishop, Drako, and Traximus

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

So Karai and Hun we boring and shallow, while characters Rocksteady and Bebop were gods. I've heard that before and I fail to see the logic in that. Karai and Hun are really deep characters who have really come into their own since Shredder bit it. And they were intresting characters to begin with. IMHO it was the old show characters that were flat and at times boring. The new show(while unfortunatley bringing us Garbageman), has also brought us well thought out and great characters like Hun, Aganet Bishop, Drako, and Traximus

Did I even mention anything about liking Bebop and or Rocksteady in any of my posts no go read actully read what I wrote....
I love Karai she is one of the best mirage characters ever and her show counter part is great.....so before you really jump the gun on people you should actully read word for word what they said.
Hun was boring and a very flat character when he first was on the show...I actully hated him......
In my opinion oddly enough now though the human characters are the best on the show Baxter being my fave....
I do agree with you about Karai, Hun, & Bishop even if he is just a giant matrix and men in black rip of I still love the character he's going to change this show for the better.....
But I must dissagree with you Drako was a rather boring character.....
Traximus I liked him in the battle nexus parts with raph and that was it.....
So look now you've gone and done it I'm going to list every character and tell you all what I really think of them in this new show
but In my own thread in the new tmnt section so go check it out and talk it up with me!!!!!!!!

[Sage Ninja]

I agree with who ever said that classic toon Shredder was evil and certainly had the intent to do evil rotten things even if he didn't succeed at them all the time. I mean he succussfully blew up the channel 6 building and didn't care if innocent people where inside it or not.