So does everyone hate 'Fast Forward' here too?

[ZariusTwo]

Heh heh, Oldtmntfan just PM'ed me to boast how he put me on ignore...owned much?

[Jo Dawn]

Interesting, as I've shown nothing but self control. Nothing in what I said was stated in a mean or harsh way. I simply brought up the meaning of 'premiere'. I wasn't mean, I wasn't sarcastic. I was simply pointing out a technicality of a definition.

The problem in this thread, is people are lashing out and trying to pick on people with opinions that differ from their own.

Thank you for your concern, but I've never typed anything in a sarcastic or demeaning way. I know how to do my job.



(And PS - As a human, I have the right to state my opinion as many times as I want to, and I've never done it lashing out at anyone or trying to make them think the same as me. If I weren't allowed, then those that love the show should only be able to say they like it once and be over with it. It's not like I roll my eyes at those that love FF. That, I'm afraid, is what's wrong with these discussions. I don't roll my eyes at those that continually say how much they love FF.)

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Heh heh, Oldtmntfan just PM'ed me to boast how he put me on ignore...owned much?

damn that's lame lol..

Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

Interesting, as I've shown nothing but self control. Nothing in what I said was stated in a mean or harsh way. I simply brought up the meaning of 'premiere'. I wasn't mean, I wasn't sarcastic. I was simply pointing out a technicality of a definition.
The problem in this thread, is people are lashing out and trying to pick on people with opinions that differ from their own.
Thank you for your concern, but I've never typed anything in a sarcastic or demeaning way. I know how to do my job.
(And PS - As a human, I have the right to state my opinion as many times as I want to, and I've never done it lashing out at anyone or trying to make them think the same as me. If I weren't allowed, then those that love the show should only be able to say they like it once and be over with it. It's not like I roll my eyes at those that love FF. That, I'm afraid, is what's wrong with these discussions. I don't roll my eyes at those that continually say how much they love FF.)

I'm not saying your being mean but seriously you don't need to post "it sucks" every time someone posts something about it...it's annoying.
It's not just about that I'm not going to get personal or anything Hun but Zarius is doing that allot and resorting to name calling..mature I think so.. And he's getting backed up by the mods...why because almost all of them hate fast forward....
And before you even flame me Zarius I have no problem with you I do however have a problem with people who can't let others have their own opinion. and before you say anything about a pot calling some one black or whatever the color of a pot is these days....I don't care what some one's opinion is as long as your not telling some one to have yours and bashing it into some one else's skull every chance you get.
I mean honestly I was so annoyed yesterday I almost deleted the link I've got saved to come here and just stop coming because of how out of hand this board has really become.
This place is just getting way to negative...it's sad.
The Moderators of this site have pretty much become a joke when they stand by and let the trolls of a site run it and ruin it for everyone else to enjoy. I mean I can't even post what I think of something without the fear of being flamed for what I think or being told to think like everyone else, or that I'm a bad fan or lowering my standards.
I'm just sticking up for the little guys when the big bullies come along I always have and always will.
You can think how ever you want I just don't go posting every time some one says they hate it asking them why they do nor do I tell them to like it...that's all....even if some think that's what I'm doing...I honestly could care less if anyone likes it but me...but like I said I'll be damned if I stand around and be told not to like something...even when it's only ok and I don't like it that much in the first place.

[Jo Dawn]

Well, I hardly think any mod is backing anyone's behaviour. But please, feel free to PM me your examples and I will definitely look them over, and also talk with the other mods about it. As per your discretion, of course. If you would like me to stay mum about something, I certainly will.

And that goes for anyone. Trust me, I am human and I do make mistakes. I'm a big girl, and if you feel I've messed up I will certainly talk to you about it via PM to fix it, or ANYone can feel free to PM me with any concerns about anything in general.

Nothing I say on board should let you shy away from me if you need me. That is what I'm here for.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Putrescent

damn that's lame lol..


I'm not saying your being mean but seriously you don't need to post "it sucks" every time someone posts something about it...it's annoying.
It's not just about that I'm not going to get personal or anything Hun but Zarius is doing that allot and resorting to name calling..mature I think so.. And he's getting backed up by the mods...why because almost all of them hate fast forward....

I'm demanding a certain logical standpoint from people, I don't know how many times I've said this now but I have NOT gone after anyone who has provided these attributes.

I don't have much tolerance for the kind of fans who back a show when it's quality takes a downswing just to keep it on the air, that's what one calls selling out.

Sometimes I think Pete took that hiatus not JUST because of the movie, but also to make sure he did'nt have to deal with angered fans demanding the current show return as it was, the Lost Season to air on current networks, or for Fast Forward's cancelation.

before you say anything about a pot calling some one black or whatever the color of a pot is these days....I don't care what some one's opinion is as long as your not telling some one to have yours and bashing it into some one else's skull every chance you get.

...But that's exactly what you do, you were doing it before I even started retaliating on behalf of everyone you were deriding for HATING Fast Forward, with those dated "Lols", and "Whatz? I can't belevez you said thatz", so please, next time you don't want to call the kettle black, don't fall into the pot, because you're far from innocent in these discussions

[PizzaPower]

this had turned into a bad fight, we did to ask ourself's here, would laird want us to be fighting like this epsically if the TMNT toon "was" for the kids????

[shuriken]

No I believe he would not. Anyways, to me FF is pretty bad, in many ways.I won't even try to compare it with the 2k3 toon because that was one of the highlight of my Saturday mornings.
PROS OF FF.-TMNT still retain most of their personality
-Cody Jones, Viral, and Shokanawa(can't remember wtf his name was) are pretty interesting Characters
-ummm....the weapons are cool
CONS-Animation looks like a crappy attempt to look anime
-Splinter's head looks huge, and apparently loves his soap operas more than my mom
-a theme song more painfull than 20 bee stings and a razor blade to the tongue
- NO, Foot, Bishop, Rat King, or any of the TMNT's "supporting cast"
-Serling must die
-the holographic dojo is shamelessly reminiscent of the X-men
-"I'ts Ninja Time" makes Cowabunga sound cool.
I shall still watch it, but if I'll record it so I won't have to hear that song, ugh.Rock On.

[Jester]

I can honestly say I respect Jo's opinion. I like >> (You like it...I did it because people said FF reminded them of Final Fantacy and the 2 should never be mentioned together, so I did the VCR/DVD fast forward symbol...ok...shuting up.) , but she doesn't and she's told me exactly why. What burns my biscuts are others (not anyone here right now...but elsewhere) who think those of us who like >> would also accept a steaming bag of crap with the letters TMNT written on it in crayon. That is just low.

EDIT: I don't mind the "Mary Sues" though I wish we had some better ones. I feel that only 3 episodes in we have no idea of the "big picture". I don't mind the humor, it kind of...note "kind of"... reminds me of the classic TMNT. The art design is new, but the art design from other series (mostly the "New Adventures of Batman") grew on me, this will too. Hopefully. I'm just willing to give it a bit more time before i call it dreck. Bishop's in it somewhere, and you really can't play him that light. I'm sure we'll see more than just cheesy jokes and "Ninja time!"

[Nexxorcist]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I'm demanding a certain logical standpoint from people, I don't know how many times I've said this now but I have NOT gone after anyone who has provided these attributes.

"A certain logical standpoint" is pretty general. and the fact that you're "demanding" people to have this "certain logical standpoint" is what pretty much sums up what Putrescent said "I can't even post what I think of something without the fear of being flamed for what I think or being told to think like everyone else, or that I'm a bad fan or lowering my standards."

Are ya reading this Jo?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Nexxorcist

"A certain logical standpoint" is pretty general. and the fact that you're "demanding" people to have this "certain logical standpoint" is what pretty much sums up what Putrescent said "I can't even post what I think of something without the fear of being flamed for what I think or being told to think like everyone else, or that I'm a bad fan or lowering my standards."

Are ya reading this Jo?

Again, I've proven I've never went after anyone who has supplied logical standpoints, I thought that's what it took to be a fan who knew their product and can find any flaw redeemable, the fact you'd rather keep stalking me and reitterating the same s*it and not back up your own support of FF with that proves me in every way right that nobody can, and it's support for the sake of the franchise, not the season

Secondly, I've never called anyone a "bad fan", just that their standards are lowered to enjoy this, I was questioning their tastes, never their fandom

[Jester]

Must we do this, really. I've read most of this and Zarius and Jo were just voicing their opinions. Sure, there was a point Jo and I "debated" >> on mIRC and it got kinda heated, but I've decided it's not worth it to stay mad or push the issue. She's my friend and she's voiced her opinion and her reasons for it. Let it go! It's just a saturday morning cartoon show! Thank you.

[oldtoonTMNTfan]

Originally Posted by Nexxorcist

"A certain logical standpoint" is pretty general. and the fact that you're "demanding" people to have this "certain logical standpoint" is what pretty much sums up what Putrescent said "I can't even post what I think of something without the fear of being flamed for what I think or being told to think like everyone else, or that I'm a bad fan or lowering my standards."

Are ya reading this Jo?

Just put ZariusTwo on ignore, it makes the board more enjoyable.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by oldtoonTMNTfan

Just put ZariusTwo on ignore, it makes the board more enjoyable.

When I put someone on ignore, I don't feed them PMs with childish ranting that I'm on ignore, like you do.

Best part about this little buisness is now everyone learns this except you.

[GK Punk]

The thing that seems to be the most annoying in this thread right now, is both sides (Not everyone involved in the argument, however) seems to be saying, basically, That you suck if you like it, or you suck if you don't like it, rather than just liking what they want to like, and not caring what others think of it. (ZOMG RUN-ONS)

I think it's pretty terrible. I'd much prefer them to do new seasons of the classic series if they want to be silly and cute TMNT. (Classic owns all )

That doesn't mean someone shouldn't enjoy it. Love it. TiVo it. Memorize it. Have a blast. The sad fact is, this is our last shot at TMNT as a toon right now. If this fails, it's over. If this succeeds, then we'll get more FF.

And Edge is an awesome WWE champion. Yeah, that has nothing to do with anything else, just thought I'd put it out there.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Jester

Must we do this, really. I've read most of this and Zarius and Jo were just voicing their opinions. Sure, there was a point Jo and I "debated" >> on mIRC and it got kinda heated, but I've decided it's not worth it to stay mad or push the issue. She's my friend and she's voiced her opinion and her reasons for it. Let it go! It's just a saturday morning cartoon show! Thank you.

That's exactly what the freaking hell I've been trying to say!!
I'm not trying to start fights with anyone or make anyone like Fast Forward...I just don't like when people get put down for thinking for themselves as much as Zarius Jo don't...I also have never had a problem with Jo before..Zarius on the other hand has gotten on my last nerve allot of the time but I try and just go past it..but I won't sit around while people get bashed...that's what the Mod's should be taking care of but they don't.
I've droped the give Fast Forward a chance thing.
So why can't people just stop pushing buttons every time some person posts something they like about it? it's driving me bonkers seriously...

Originally Posted by oldtoonTMNTfan

Just put ZariusTwo on ignore, it makes the board more enjoyable.

that won't help anything some times he's got good points...I said some times..

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

When I put someone on ignore, I don't feed them PMs with childish ranting that I'm on ignore, like you do.
Best part about this little buisness is now everyone learns this except you.

It is quite childish and an easy way out I agree but the best way to ignore some one is to just read what they have to say and move on...or just to not even bother reading their posts.

Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

The thing that seems to be the most annoying in this thread right now, is both sides (Not everyone involved in the argument, however) seems to be saying, basically, That you suck if you like it, or you suck if you don't like it, rather than just liking what they want to like, and not caring what others think of it. (ZOMG RUN-ONS)
I think it's pretty terrible. I'd much prefer them to do new seasons of the classic series if they want to be silly and cute TMNT. (Classic owns all )
That doesn't mean someone shouldn't enjoy it. Love it. TiVo it. Memorize it. Have a blast. The sad fact is, this is our last shot at TMNT as a toon right now. If this fails, it's over. If this succeeds, then we'll get more FF.
And Edge is an awesome WWE champion. Yeah, that has nothing to do with anything else, just thought I'd put it out there.

That's exactly the point I was trying to get to but some times I tend to get a bit lost. Besides the thing about Edge being awsome lol

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I'm demanding a certain logical standpoint from people, I don't know how many times I've said this now but I have NOT gone after anyone who has provided these attributes.
I don't have much tolerance for the kind of fans who back a show when it's quality takes a downswing just to keep it on the air, that's what one calls selling out.
Sometimes I think Pete took that hiatus not JUST because of the movie, but also to make sure he did'nt have to deal with angered fans demanding the current show return as it was, the Lost Season to air on current networks, or for Fast Forward's cancelation.
...But that's exactly what you do, you were doing it before I even started retaliating on behalf of everyone you were deriding for HATING Fast Forward, with those dated "Lols", and "Whatz? I can't belevez you said thatz", so please, next time you don't want to call the kettle black, don't fall into the pot, because you're far from innocent in these discussions

Well, I'm not sure if you realize this or not Zarius but the world doesn't revolve around you or what you think. Everyone is born with their own mind it's just a case of if they use it or not.
Well, we both know not everyone on a message board is going to give a list of why they do or don't like something people are lazy.
It's may be a sell out to you but believe it or not some fans feel as if they are being loyal to the property by at least watching the show and trying to be positive about the 3 measly episodes they've been shown. Perhaps you should try having some tolerance though cause your going to have to get used to it as much as I that it just comes down to this that Fast Forward is here allot hate it, some think it's ok and would prefer the 2003 tmnt, and some actually like it. We're all different and think for ourselves it's always going to be this way until they turn us all into mindless zombies even if you think allot of people are for liking Fast Forward lol.
Hmm you know that's actually not a bad theory very well come be why Peter took the break leaving poor damn to get a flood of hate mail.
Well, that is if anyone really gives a damn about TMNT besides us.
Ok please don't do things I did before this it's not right because I've since stopped when you brought it to my attention I was being a bit childish about it.
I've stopped so why can't the people on the old end you know the haters stop.
I have just as much right as anyone else to say please chill your ranting about how much you hate it is getting annoying..and this goes out to anyone.
I'll also that you not to make fun of the way I write it's extremely off topic and has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Also I use those so people know I'm not being a complete ass and to take what I'm saying lightly.
I also never said anything about being innocent.

[BigApple3AM]

Pros...err... pro
We got some pretty neat turtle figures that are COMPLETELY different than what was coming out before, which is always good. It keeps the line fresh, rather than getting the same figure over and over with different gear and accessories.

Cons
I don't like how they're targeting the littlest of kids. I mean wasn't that the reason why everyone liked the 2k3 toon more than the old one... that it was more "mature"? That was the sole purpose of relaunching the series in my mind, to give the turtles a bit more street cred. Then they go and make it worse and more kiddy than ever before. This new show is much worse than the old 80's one. The old one was a trendsetter, with great HUMOR writing. Though it was about action as well, it was about humor first and foremost, which made it appealing to lots of people of any age (though I'm sure adults got sick of it). The new show is about action first and foremost, but it's downplayed and dumbed for a smaller age audience. What they forgot is that kids aren't dumb. They try adding humor but it just comes out so contrived and forced. And rather than creating trends, they kind of follow all the most pop culture pandering. The biggest problem I have is that awful theme song, sounds like something stolen out of Nickelodeon (tween central). Like I should start skateboarding and hanging out in the mall wearing clothes too tight that don't fit and feel extremely self conscious.

Most of all though, is that it kind of tarnishes my view of Laird. I mean I respect the man truly, great guy, but he did sell out in the 80's and 90's, and those are more his words than mine. He admitted in interviews or letter columns that the old toon isn't what he wanted and that they gave the studios lots of leeway. Then he goes and makes this new show that seems more based on his visions, only to be transformed into the ultimate whore of his franchise that is fast forward. It just proves that turtles are commercialistic first and artistic second (if at all). Doesn't he have enough money as it is? If they were just going to trash what he worked hard to do with the 2k3 show, why not just cancel it altogether? He obviously despises the old cartoon, but then turns around and one ups it. Just seems hypocritical.

I apologize if I offend anyone.

[ZariusTwo]

Pete does'nt hate the original cartoon at all, he's stated that fifty times in the letters pages, he was eternally grateful for it putting the franchise on the map, he did'nt agree with all of it, but he does have affection for the show, there is no doubt the old show inspired him to make Saki Ch'rell the Utrom (Influenced by Krang and the ARCHIE comics), and many of the present show's later in-jokes all reference that particular series, and not even in an insulting manner either.


"Everyone liked the new toon more than the...", what fandom are you listening to? This fandom does'nt ALL think the new show is better than the original, hell I think this version has always been inferior despite being just as good.

Pete had to bend the franchise to save it, he had to comprehend his values in the 1980's to get it noticed also, that is not selling out, that's called making drastic buisness decisions, especially when the movie needs as much exposure as it can before it's release, telivision or otherwise.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by Ectocooler

Pros...err... pro
We got some pretty neat turtle figures that are COMPLETELY different than what was coming out before, which is always good. It keeps the line fresh, rather than getting the same figure over and over with different gear and accessories.

Cons
I don't like how they're targeting the littlest of kids. I mean wasn't that the reason why everyone liked the 2k3 toon more than the old one... that it was more "mature"? That was the sole purpose of relaunching the series in my mind, to give the turtles a bit more street cred. Then they go and make it worse and more kiddy than ever before. This new show is much worse than the old 80's one. The old one was a trendsetter, with great HUMOR writing. Though it was about action as well, it was about humor first and foremost, which made it appealing to lots of people of any age (though I'm sure adults got sick of it). The new show is about action first and foremost, but it's downplayed and dumbed for a smaller age audience. What they forgot is that kids aren't dumb. They try adding humor but it just comes out so contrived and forced. And rather than creating trends, they kind of follow all the most pop culture pandering. The biggest problem I have is that awful theme song, sounds like something stolen out of Nickelodeon (tween central). Like I should start skateboarding and hanging out in the mall wearing clothes too tight that don't fit and feel extremely self conscious.

Most of all though, is that it kind of tarnishes my view of Laird. I mean I respect the man truly, great guy, but he did sell out in the 80's and 90's, and those are more his words than mine. He admitted in interviews or letter columns that the old toon isn't what he wanted and that they gave the studios lots of leeway. Then he goes and makes this new show that seems more based on his visions, only to be transformed into the ultimate whore of his franchise that is fast forward. It just proves that turtles are commercialistic first and artistic second (if at all). Doesn't he have enough money as it is? If they were just going to trash what he worked hard to do with the 2k3 show, why not just cancel it altogether? He obviously despises the old cartoon, but then turns around and one ups it. Just seems hypocritical.

I apologize if I offend anyone.

I don't know what to say, you bring up alot of good points. I'm sure Laird might have considered ending the show, but with the movie coming out, it would be a really bad idea.

As much as I dislike the old show, I have to give it credit for appealing to a wide audience. But FF(even 2K3) will never have that same appeal no matter how much 4 Kids tries. FF's humor comes from childish slapstick stuff, not on the same level as the 80's show. The art style is painful to the eyes, and worst of all they changed the overall tone to something it's not.

I would rather the show ended after the Ninja Tribunal arc, rather than go into Fast Foward. No matter how good the toys are, it doesn't make up for the shows simplicity.

Like I should start skateboarding and hanging out in the mall wearing clothes too tight that don't fit and feel extremely self conscious.

Those words just summed up my feelings perfectly.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Ectocooler

Pros...err... pro
We got some pretty neat turtle figures that are COMPLETELY different than what was coming out before, which is always good. It keeps the line fresh, rather than getting the same figure over and over with different gear and accessories.
Cons
I don't like how they're targeting the littlest of kids. I mean wasn't that the reason why everyone liked the 2k3 toon more than the old one... that it was more "mature"? That was the sole purpose of relaunching the series in my mind, to give the turtles a bit more street cred. Then they go and make it worse and more kiddy than ever before. This new show is much worse than the old 80's one. The old one was a trendsetter, with great HUMOR writing. Though it was about action as well, it was about humor first and foremost, which made it appealing to lots of people of any age (though I'm sure adults got sick of it). The new show is about action first and foremost, but it's downplayed and dumbed for a smaller age audience. What they forgot is that kids aren't dumb. They try adding humor but it just comes out so contrived and forced. And rather than creating trends, they kind of follow all the most pop culture pandering. The biggest problem I have is that awful theme song, sounds like something stolen out of Nickelodeon (tween central). Like I should start skateboarding and hanging out in the mall wearing clothes too tight that don't fit and feel extremely self conscious.
Most of all though, is that it kind of tarnishes my view of Laird. I mean I respect the man truly, great guy, but he did sell out in the 80's and 90's, and those are more his words than mine. He admitted in interviews or letter columns that the old toon isn't what he wanted and that they gave the studios lots of leeway. Then he goes and makes this new show that seems more based on his visions, only to be transformed into the ultimate whore of his franchise that is fast forward. It just proves that turtles are commercialistic first and artistic second (if at all). Doesn't he have enough money as it is? If they were just going to trash what he worked hard to do with the 2k3 show, why not just cancel it altogether? He obviously despises the old cartoon, but then turns around and one ups it. Just seems hypocritical.
I apologize if I offend anyone.

AGGHHH!! RAWR gurggle burgle! (is that better Zarius? haha) just playing.
Yea I'll give them that much the new toys are looking to be pretty cool.
I don't know either I know kids watched the 2003 show but not as much as older people did...and even then I've been told from allot of random people that they thought the 2003 was a bit boring. Me I loved it and I still do more than the new show. I love the 80's toon but I honestly like 2003 allot more Next mutation being my least fave version of the TMNT.
I agree 100% about the things you've said I can not stand the new theme song but I also disliked the 2003 one very much also...it's just a point of not knowing what to write as a song or getting anyone good to sing it I think.
I kind of feel the same way about liard to be honest....he told me in a letter in the comics that he didn't like the 80's toon so much because the 2003 one is exactly what he always wanted...thats why this leads me to believe something is up...like it's not him or he's only doing this untill the time is up with fox so he can take the guys to another network like I've said before.
But who knows these are all guesses.You haven't offended me one bit btw

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Pete does'nt hate the original cartoon at all, he's stated that fifty times in the letters pages, he was eternally grateful for it putting the franchise on the map, he did'nt agree with all of it, but he does have affection for the show, there is no doubt the old show inspired him to make Saki Ch'rell the Utrom (Influenced by Krang and the ARCHIE comics), and many of the present show's later in-jokes all reference that particular series, and not even in an insulting manner either.
"Everyone liked the new toon more than the...", what fandom are you listening to? This fandom does'nt ALL think the new show is better than the original, hell I think this version has always been inferior despite being just as good.
Pete had to bend the franchise to save it, he had to comprehend his values in the 1980's to get it noticed also, that is not selling out, that's called making drastic buisness decisions, especially when the movie needs as much exposure as it can before it's release, telivision or otherwise.

Yea Peter never said he hated it I don't know where people get that from.
Ok though see you say that those of us who even some what like Fast Forward are called sellouts for liking it...but Peter isn't for doing what he needed to do. He really didn't need to do this...and oddly enough I think the movie will do really well even without a show on tv people all over seem to be pretty hyped about it!

[ZariusTwo]

And the sad part is that we know the team can do better. Batman Beyond, Aeon Flux, THAT is what FF should be influnced by, not this product placement.

Although looking on Batman Beyond's second season, that was also heavily tampered with and it became tremedously stand alone, Derik Powers/Blight vanished after one season, never to appear again, and Terry got this annoying teen sidekick. Thank god the third season's arc involving Terry's war with Kobra saved that show before the shark jumped