Early Apologies - Page 4

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-19-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CookSux

Actually people are either creationists, or naturalist when it comes to the start of life. But on your comment about evolution being a system for God (or gods) improving their work... wouldn't that just make God imperfect from the start? And if God (or gods) was imperfect, then what's the point in believing in him?

People can have very different beliefs and can not be categorized into two groups like that. Also people have different Ideas of God as well.

CookSux · 04-19-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

People can have very different beliefs and can not be categorized into two groups like that. Also people have different Ideas of God as well.

I'm aware of that, but we're talking about the beginning of life itself. There really is no middle ground. If you don't believe in creationism, then you're a naturalist/materialist and vice versa. It's a black and white thing. Besides, I'm sure people have different definitions of who or what God is, but that's not what the point of this discussion is. It's like, you can't say that you're tall and short at the same time. (Bad example, but I hope it kinda makes sense)

**GK Punk** · 04-19-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Maybe God would use evolution as a tool, I'unno. Maybe He prefers not to get involved directly. I know that if I had a job like his I'd try not to get my hands dirty too much either. Too much work. What good is being omnipotent if you never have time to enjoy it?

Besides, if God actually did get his hands dirty He woulda smacked me around on general principle by now for being such a jackass. Not to mention what I did to Brother Tetsu's collection plate.

Leo, it is such a tragedy the way you besmirched Brother Tetsu's collection plate...

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-19-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CookSux

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

People can have very different beliefs and can not be categorized into two groups like that. Also people have different Ideas of God as well.

I'm aware of that, but we're talking about the beginning of life itself. There really is no middle ground. If you don't believe in creationism, then you're a naturalist/materialist and vice versa. It's a black and white thing. Besides, I'm sure people have different definitions of who or what God is, but that's not what the point of this discussion is.

What I'm saying is that it's not a "black and White" issue someone can believe in middle ground. I suppose I do. Although I don't concerm myself much with it.
I brought up the different Ideas of God because not every religion has the idea of "infallability".

~~Leo656~~ · 04-19-2003, 11:07 PM

I told him to knock that "Hallelujah" stuff off. He knew what would happen.

Besmirched it once, I did, besmirch it again I shall, should he get out of line.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-19-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I told him to knock that "Hallelujah" stuff off. He knew what would happen.

Besmirched it once, I did, besmirch it again I shall, should he get out of line.

Actually my church is so poor we took it as a donation.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-19-2003, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

oh god...gutter mind... ew ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwwww!!!

What's that suppossed to mean?

~~Reznorite420~~ · 04-20-2003, 12:17 AM

CookSux:

1) The Bible is not a historical document, it is in essence just a book of parables in a metaphorical sense that really should not be taken literally in every part

2) Jesus may have existed (he obviously did if there's Roman historcial archival evidence), but how do we know he didn't suffer from some mental illness? IMO, the ramblings of Jesus on how he could heal people and other happenings would be considered schizophrenic today. But that's only by scientific fact. An open mind like mine would think that perhaps he DID perform those miracles, but I only take that with a grain of salt at this point.

As archaic I think religions such as Christianity are, I don't shrug it off as pure nonsense *coughunliketokkacough*. There might be some truth in it.

NB: This is all I will contribute to this thread. I will neither respond to nor criticize what anybody else says beyond here. I will never even read this topic as long as it remains open.

CookSux · 04-20-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Reznorite420

1) The Bible is not a historical document, it is in essence just a book of parables in a metaphorical sense that really should not be taken literally in every part

2) Jesus may have existed (he obviously did if there's Roman historcial archival evidence), but how do we know he didn't suffer from some mental illness? IMO, the ramblings of Jesus on how he could heal people and other happenings would be considered schizophrenic today. But that's only by scientific fact. An open mind like mine would think that perhaps he DID perform those miracles, but I only take that with a grain of salt at this point.

How can anyone say that the Bible isn't a historical document? People might not take it word for word, but it's not one lavish story book. BTW I don't think Jesus ever went around claiming that he could heal the sick or such, in fact he tried to avoid giving away his location. In many cases Jesus would heal someone, and tell them not to tell anyone... yet the person who had been healed went out proclaiming it like any sensible person would. Jesus wasn't boastful of his gifts, so I don't understand where the schizophrenia would come into play. Besides, I've seen some mighty crazy things and conclude that anyone with multiple personality disorders are possessed by an evil spirit. There have been times when I've seen demon casting and all that jazz so the whole Spiritual Warfare thing isn't too new to me. But that's just getting off topic.

*kyabetsu* · 04-20-2003, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

I'm a guy with a good attitude about menstration.

what the heck...?

uh. dude.
look.
there's not too much POSITIVE about it.
what you just said up there is like saying, " I'm the guy with the GOOD attitude about tunneling bed sores. "
it happens but NOBODY, us ladies included, has a particularly good attitude about it.

"...because it suckith.
it suckith EPIC amounts of booty."
--(kya, 4:13-14)

**Krang** · 04-20-2003, 05:17 AM

I've said this many times before: No more topics relating to religion. I wouldn't mind it at all if it weren't for certain closed-minded members who can't handle it without attacking other people's beliefs. I'm not going to give you a warning, CookSux, since you discussed it maturely and didn't get a chance to discuss it last time, but please don't start any more threads about it in the future until those people can prove that they are mature enough to discuss it.

04-20-2003, 05:17 AM	#71
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04-19-2003, 11:07 PM	#65
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I told him to knock that "Hallelujah" stuff off. He knew what would happen. Besmirched it once, I did, besmirch it again I shall, should he get out of line.

04-20-2003, 12:17 AM	#68
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	CookSux: 1) The Bible is not a historical document, it is in essence just a book of parables in a metaphorical sense that really should not be taken literally in every part 2) Jesus may have existed (he obviously did if there's Roman historcial archival evidence), but how do we know he didn't suffer from some mental illness? IMO, the ramblings of Jesus on how he could heal people and other happenings would be considered schizophrenic today. But that's only by scientific fact. An open mind like mine would think that perhaps he DID perform those miracles, but I only take that with a grain of salt at this point. As archaic I think religions such as Christianity are, I don't shrug it off as pure nonsense coughunliketokkacough. There might be some truth in it. NB: This is all I will contribute to this thread. I will neither respond to nor criticize what anybody else says beyond here. I will never even read this topic as long as it remains open.