Next Mutation

[FearlessLeader]

Originally Posted by herugrim

Funny, for all the people that Hate the next mutation, I've never heard a single valid complaint.

People don't like it because Peter Laird don't like it.

People don't like it because people don't like the idea of a female turtle.

The failure of logic is staggering. I'll have to put in on my 'to watch' list.

I dislike this show because personally I thought Leonardo was pretty out of character from what little of the series I watched and that made me unable to enjoy it.

Also everything Jester stated.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by FearlessLeader

Is that Mirage Leo, Don, Mike, Raph... and Venus?

[rufus]

I tried to watch the VHS release. My VCR kept rejecting it. Not even tmnt 3 gets rejected by my tv.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Jester

RAWR!! I hate the Next Mutation for no conceivable reason...

Aside from:
1. The degradation of the Shredder. I mean the guy was beaten by shinobi mind tricks... LAME!
2. The incessant and unnecessary sound effects and transitions. Do we need Three Stooges sounds over fight scenes? And why are there spinning Turtle shells every five minutes?
3. The cast, especially Splinter, is laughable.
4. 2 clip shows in 26 episodes? Really?
5. and to me the big one...

Say what you will about the possibility of the Turtles not being biologically related, they are an ADOPTIVE family. They are as much brothers through adoption as my sister and I are siblings by blood.

Wow I always wanted to try and watch next mutation , but seeing that video make me cringe so badly......

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by herugrim

I'll have to put in on my 'to watch' list.

Whitney Houston had it on her watch list too.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Falconhood

real??? female MUTANT turtles do.
Real female turtles do not, but since they are humanoid, they have humanoid features.
Turtles also don't have thumbs. Do turtles have teeth?

way to over react on a joke

besides, shell boobs do look idiotic and silly.

No matter how sexy fan-fic artists make their DD's fem-turtles look

[Panda Khan]

I might watch it, again. It's been years since I've seen it. From what I can remember I thought Shredder was weak, didn't like the idea of Venus, and the whole crossover with Power Rangers...although that might have been a Power Rangers episode instead of Next Mutation. Things change over time with me. I remember hating TMNT III but I watched it when it was released on Blu Ray and I found it tolerable.

[Falconhood]

Originally Posted by Kiwamu The Kappa

way to over react on a joke

besides, shell boobs do look idiotic and silly.

No matter how sexy fan-fic artists make their DD's fem-turtles look

oh, i couldn't hear it in your inflection of voice. I actually deal with people that say things and ...you wouldn't believe how bad and off they are, but you have to think "Are they joking???"
your's didn't sound like a joke. There is hate for Venus, and I didn't know why, until the boob statements. I personally like boobs, just not on me.
So, seriously, why is there so much hate for Venus?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Falconhood

So, seriously, why is there so much hate for Venus?

Because she's the poster child for an in-continuity Mary-Sue.

[Ninja Tiptup]

Next Mutation is just too ridiculous even for Ninja Turtles standards. The SFX and laughable villains make even some of the comic relief villains in the OT seem like a threat by comparison.

It really doesn't help that very few of the villains in Next Mutation were memorable as the majority of them were simply too bland. I get a certain level of amusement from seeing Scott McNeil as Bonesteel. It's a novelty to see the a well known voice actor such as himself in a live-action role. But the Dragons and the Gorillia Gangster, the mad scientist and whoever else just lack that entertainment value villains in the OT had in spades. To add insult to injury they almost immediately do away with The Shredder and in and as Jester pointed out his representation was truly awful as was the was the use of Shinobi powers to defeat him.

Oh that's another thing, "I'm not a ninja I am a shinobi" uh... a shinobi is a ninja right? I could nitpick the show for pages but that's one thing thing that stuck out.

It was overall a rather disappointing follow-up to the the cartoons and movies at the time, stinking of unnecessary affirmative action (which was counter-productive since they didn't have April) and poorly representing Ninja Turtles as a whole. It's not the worst TMNT production by any means but it sure wasn't a good series.

[lizard6king6]

[It was overall a rather disappointing follow-up to the the cartoons and movies at the time, stinking of unnecessary affirmative action (which was counter-productive since they didn't have April) and poorly representing Ninja Turtles as a whole. It's not the worst TMNT production by any means but it sure wasn't a good series.[/QUOTE]

Well said. I tried watching on netflix and just could not.

[herugrim]

Originally Posted by Jester

RAWR!! I hate the Next Mutation for no conceivable reason...

Aside from:
1. The degradation of the Shredder. I mean the guy was beaten by shinobi mind tricks... LAME!
2. The incessant and unnecessary sound effects and transitions. Do we need Three Stooges sounds over fight scenes? And why are there spinning Turtle shells every five minutes?
3. The cast, especially Splinter, is laughable.
4. 2 clip shows in 26 episodes? Really?
5. and to me the big one...

Say what you will about the possibility of the Turtles not being biologically related, they are an ADOPTIVE family. They are as much brothers through adoption as my sister and I are siblings by blood.

1. In the original toon he was beaten by pizza, among more ridiculous things. Or perhaps I should bring up Coming out of their Shells to mention a Shredder who is truly aweful.
2. A personal Nit Pick. You could say much the same about the Adam West Batman and that was always one of my favorite shows.
3. Because Turtles are always cast all pro with established stars...
4. I'll give you that. clip shows always suck.
5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.

Aside from the clip shows, you haven't presented a single fact. Maybe I'm just more open minded then most people.

[Powder]

You are 100% troll.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by herugrim

1. In the original toon he was beaten by pizza, among more ridiculous things. Or perhaps I should bring up Coming out of their Shells to mention a Shredder who is truly aweful.
2. A personal Nit Pick. You could say much the same about the Adam West Batman and that was always one of my favorite shows.
3. Because Turtles are always cast all pro with established stars...
4. I'll give you that. clip shows always suck.
5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.

Aside from the clip shows, you haven't presented a single fact. Maybe I'm just more open minded then most people.

I haven't cringed this hard at a post in a long time.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by herugrim

1. In the original toon he was beaten by pizza, among more ridiculous things. Or perhaps I should bring up Coming out of their Shells to mention a Shredder who is truly aweful.

The "new kid" came in and took out the established villain of the franchise. It was the height of, "Look, isn't she the best!" Heck, she strings all 4 turtles up by their ankles in seconds. Isn't that awesome! Mary-Sue through and through.

2. A personal Nit Pick. You could say much the same about the Adam West Batman and that was always one of my favorite shows.

You realize Batman was a campy show right? And that the onamonapias and the spinning Bat logo fit the tone of that show. Sure NM was a very light show, but the Three Stooges sound effects were ridiculous.

3. Because Turtles are always cast all pro with established stars...

No, you're right, but they are at least COMPETENT actors.

4. I'll give you that. clip shows always suck.

Huzza, common ground.

5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.

Family is a huge HUGE aspect of what I love about the Turtles. The first movie reeks of family vs. "the gang" sentiment. Splinter's dialogue is touching and wise. And this scene takes that aspect of the franchise and just craps all over it in 5 seconds. All so Leo can mack the new, totally awesome, Mary-Sue character. "We're just mutant boy and mutant girl." Come on.

Aside from the clip shows, you haven't presented a single fact. Maybe I'm just more open minded then most people.

True, it's all my opinion. Maybe I'm just more discerning than some people.

[FearlessLeader]

Originally Posted by herugrim

5. Oh yes, "we aren't really brothers" ruins Turtles! Nah, not really. Micheal Bay didn't rape my childhood either. It's another generic "Grrr...it is different and therefore sucks and no one is allowed to even consider liking it because I say so!" B.S.

You not understanding how much of the Turtles franchise is about family devalues any opinion to me that you have on this matter.

Feel free to thoroughly enjoy your sub-par show!

[sdp]

Venus is a scapegoat for TNM, I'm convinced most people have only watched East meets West since outside those episodes Venus is mostly a character that doesn't get much focus and doesn't steal much of the spotlight. Her Shinobi powers are almost never used outside their introduction. She isn't shoved down our throats and basically there is zero romance through out the whole show.

Sound effects and dialog and making villains too goofy is the real problem the show has but it's nowhere near the mess people make it out to be.

Originally Posted by Jester

RAWR!! I hate the Next Mutation for no conceivable reason...

Aside from:
1. The degradation of the Shredder. I mean the guy was beaten by shinobi mind tricks... LAME!
2. The incessant and unnecessary sound effects and transitions. Do we need Three Stooges sounds over fight scenes? And why are there spinning Turtle shells every five minutes?
3. The cast, especially Splinter, is laughable.
4. 2 clip shows in 26 episodes? Really?
5. and to me the big one...
Say what you will about the possibility of the Turtles not being biologically related, they are an ADOPTIVE family. They are as much brothers through adoption as my sister and I are siblings by blood.

1. He makes a neat comeback, plus this isn't that much worse from the way he is dispatched in a lot of the OT, or the lackluster endings of the movies.

2. Yes, this absolutely is the worst thing about TNM.

3. The cast isn't that bad, the dialog on the other hand.

4. Both clipshows aren't actually that bad and feature enough original footage, the Raph/Leo fighting one is interesting and the Venus one serves as a tribute.

5. This I find a petty complain, I refues to believe the turtles are brothers in any incarnation. Plus people take that one scene and blow it out of proportion like the whole show dealt with the turtles having a boner for Venus, outside of the episode she was introduced where the turtles go gaga over her and that scene, no romance is ever hinted at during the show.

[FearlessLeader]

Originally Posted by sdp

5. This I find a petty complain, I refues to believe the turtles are brothers in any incarnation. Plus people take that one scene and blow it out of proportion like the whole show dealt with the turtles having a boner for Venus, outside of the episode she was introduced where the turtles go gaga over her and that scene, no romance is ever hinted at during the show.

I don't quiet understand how this complaint is petty? I've never considered the guys blood brothers and obviously Splinter is not their blood father, but to me family is the core of the Turtles story. It's what gives it so much heart and that includes April and Casey and their bonds with the Turtles too.

Even if they don't call one another family in the OT they all care about one another and take care of each other. To me it was just the perfect example of how poorly written and how misunderstood the characterizations are for this show.

[sdp]

Because it's irrelevant to the show, if the turtles were hitting on Venus the whole time then it'd make sense but it doesn't matter. The "family" aspect is still there in the sense that they care for one another as shown in a few episodes, especially the two clip shows. This is as much "friendship/family" that was shown in the OT. They were still united as if they were a family and that is what counts, not if they're actually related to each other.

I can easily find 26 episodes that are worse than any given TNM episode in the OT and from 2k3 easily at least 13 episodes that are worse.

[John Pannozzi]

Originally Posted by Jester

VHS ones? We talking about the "movie" version of East Meets West?

It's not THAT bad. I have a copy I was bought as a gift by my parents when it was new. I've watched it a few times, has things cut from the TV airings added back in.

Any chance of giving us a breakdown of the differences, pretty pretty please? You can use the episodic versions on Netflix as a comparison.