Apparently there is a TMNT panel going on at Comikaze

[the fixer]

Good Lord, Canadian... can't wait to see this awesome material!
Especially the short Casey Jones intro!

[sgtfbomb]

The comic also has a scene where Raph makes his new sais. Apparently, it's nowhere to be found in the script, which may or may not be indicative to whether or not it was shot. I also believe it included a scene where the Turtles jumping off a rooftop as they were leaving April's apartment for the first time. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't shot at all.

The scripted version of the the fight sequence at April's apartment also included a bit where Donnie was fighting a foot soldier who kept trying to dish out witty puns, like "I'm gonna shell you like an oyster!" Let us pray that was never shot!

One thing I'm wondering about is the second flashback. The script includes Nagi, Saki's older brother. Tang Shen tells Nagi she loves Yoshi. In a jealous rage, Nagi beats her. Yoshi comes in, kills Nagi, leaving Saki mourning his brother. Yoshi and Tang Shen go to America, and from there, the story is about the same as it was in the film.

The Shredder fighting foot scene again it doesn't really add a lot and looks kinda silly, and it is not apparent that these are aprils attackers, just the "final test" to become full foot.

The script only clarifies it through description, not dialogue. Something to the effect of "we start to get the sense that the one who gets the headband doesn't get a reward, but avoids punishment."Though, Shredder does say something like "Money paid for their bail is money lost."

I don't believe Weapon X posted a scan for the rest of the scene, but it seems like it might transition into his line "Money cannot buy the honor you've earned tonight..." But, then again, since you've seen the raw footage from the scene, Canadian, can you tell me if Shenso was part of the fight?

If so, it would seem odd to change the intent of the scene, as you'd figure Shredder would want to punish these guys for going to jail, which practically goes unaddressed in the film, unless you count Sam Rockwell holding his arm in pain as he appears in the background as Shenso gets inducted into the foot clan. Unless, of course, it was intended that Shredder was using Shenso's honor as a point to show just how dishonorable those thugs were, perhaps?

[Canadian Turtle]

I cut together the shredder scene in such a way that made sense to the movie we hope to include at least that scene in the final doc but that comes down to rights at this point. There was no dialogue in that scene as shot and I'd have to go back through the footage to see if there was any difference in how the actor who played shredder said his lines after that compared to the dubbed version we see in the released film. I would guess that as shot they were using it as a final test to be part of the foot. In the story boards he is sitting in a chair but as shot he sitting on the rug they layed out.

There is a nice write up about the panel we were part of over at the teenage mutant ninja turtles .com site...... For some reason I can't post a URL in this post from my phone. So people will have to do that part themselves hahahahahaha sorry.

[d_osborn]

Cool stuff! I was curious about the chair/throne bit in the storyboards. Every shot I've seen from the cut footage shows Shred standing and fighting, but the early script and boards mention him sitting. I wasn't sure if it was an alternate setup or what.

Personally, I'm not as excited about deleted footage as I am hopefully seeing the farm sequence recut as written. It always sounded cooler than the montage in the final film. Fingers crossed that Barron and/or John Fenner will be able to supervise the (hopefully new) transfer, fixing the pushed film exposure from the Golden Harvest gang.

I'm DAMN excited about this and the doc! I've already been picking out the beer and pizza I plan on enjoying while watching both. Chicago-style deep dish sausage with Shiner Bock.

[Leonardo87]

I'm curious about one thing; but maybe I am overlooking at this. Was it ever explained/shown of how Shredder got a cut on his back? I ask this because when you see the scene with Splinter having Shredder over the building just moments before he meets his end, you see on a cut on his back. I always thought there was a scene cut where you see Leo actually slice Shredder minus the stab in his arm. Sorry to ask this Issac lol.

[marcelangelo]

thanks big time isaac for throwing some raw meat in front of our hungry nosesI like what I hear, wel.. what I read...
is it me or does the ninjaturtles.com website not work all of a sudden?;(...
cant wait to buy the dic relentlessly and share it with many people!!!

[sgtfbomb]

Interesting. I didn't know about the chair/throne. It isn't mentioned in the script I've seen. Here are the scans Weapon X posted for the scene, back in '05:

Spoiler:

It cuts off right after the fight. I do not believe he posted the rest.

[DaVinci]

Originally Posted by sgtfbomb

The scripted version of the the fight sequence at April's apartment also included a bit where Donnie was fighting a foot soldier who kept trying to dish out witty puns, like "I'm gonna shell you like an oyster!" Let us pray that was never shot!

The script only clarifies it through description, not dialogue. Something to the effect of "we start to get the sense that the one who gets the headband doesn't get a reward, but avoids punishment."Though, Shredder does say something like "Money paid for their bail is money lost."

I don't believe Weapon X posted a scan for the rest of the scene, but it seems like it might transition into his line "Money cannot buy the honor you've earned tonight..." But, then again, since you've seen the raw footage from the scene, Canadian, can you tell me if Shenso was part of the fight?

Well, he was not in the fight in the novel, anyway.

None of April's attackers get the headband, they all get a cut from Shredder's blades. The cut is apparently their only punishment.

Shenso is called to step forward immediately after. In the book, he isn't given the headband; just the hood that Tatsu hands Shredder to put on him. The whole thing made a pretty effective scene in the book.

Originally Posted by sgtfbomb

The scripted version of the the fight sequence at April's apartment also included a bit where Donnie was fighting a foot soldier who kept trying to dish out witty puns, like "I'm gonna shell you like an oyster!" Let us pray that was never shot!

Was 'The Soprano Maker' in the script?

[Canadian Turtle]

Still haven't found any more video from the panel but this post does have some stills from it. http://www.superheromoviesnews.com/2...rnate.html?m=1

[sgtfbomb]

Well, he was not in the fight in the novel, anyway.

None of April's attackers get the headband, they all get a cut from Shredder's blades. The cut is apparently their only punishment.

Shenso is called to step forward immediately after. In the book, he isn't given the headband; just the hood that Tatsu hands Shredder to put on him. The whole thing made a pretty effective scene in the book.

It's hard to tell in the actual movie. Shredder gives him the mask, but it appears Shenso is already holding the headband.

But, Canadian says there wasn't any dialogue, so it could have been shot the way it is in the script and book, but with no dialogue to actually clarify it. Or maybe the concept was slightly changed.

What's also interesting is that I just checked the comic book and the scans Welmashire put up in another thread, and Shenso doesn't even appear in the scene in either version. But, what's telling is that Shredder's speech is word for word the same speech he used in the trailer. Now, obviously it was shot along with the fight, because you can see Sam Rockwell clear as day behind Shenso when he is putting on his mask. So, I wonder if that bit was a last minute addition perhaps to make Shenso's later death resonate a bit more.

Also something I completely forgot about was the scripted bit that's similar to a scene from Secret of the Ooze and apparently takes place during this prominent scene at the warehouse lair. Welmanshire posted a scan of a ninja test with the pickpocket dummy, where recruits had to snatch the bells without making a sound, just like Keno (and Raph) had to do in the second film. I'm interested to know if it was shot.

Originally Posted by DaVinci

Was 'The Soprano Maker' in the script?

Yes, in deed. It's actually part of that moment.

[xChri5x]

What about this cut scene?:


Made a thread w/ pics awhile back:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42798

[Canadian Turtle]

This last scene here that you have the card from, I have never been able to find or pin down what it was from. I have come across the shooting script with attached story boards more than once, but sadly never have had the chance to scan the entire thing all together. So I have not found any reference to it in there yet. THAT SAID to me it looks like there is a 12x12 griff behind them (a large white bounce fabric used often on movie sets) so if I was going to guess, it is likely a goofing around on the backlot shot, but I might be wrong.

[Powder]

While you're here answering questions of the unseen, I've got one for ya, Canadian Turtle- Any chance you've got any idea what was cut/unused from the third film? For one, a lot of us wonder if it was supposed to be written in (rather than vaguely implied) that the characters in ancient Japan were all ancestors of Casey, Saki, Yoshi, etc.

[CyberCubed]

I don't believe any of this is actually happening until it's confirmed and announced.

[Canadian Turtle]

To be honest we don't have a lot from the 3rd movie. I know of the director because he still does a lot of work in the city, so I've come across his son on gigs and such. We focused so much on the first movie that even though interviews with some people cross over between the three movies like Tom Gray, Sisti, Tochi, Henson (first two) and Roy Forge Smith. The interview content is there but we didn't collect a lot of behind the scenes content from those movies. We can only really fit so much in the finished doc anyways. The first movie behind the scenes edit came in at an hour of solid stuff, so that is down to around a half hour or less in the final film. So it is sill the majority share of time, but as many other aspects of the franchise have to fit in around that. Sorry I can't answer that question for ya.

[sgtfbomb]

I hope the raw footage still exists in the original negatives. I would love to see these scenes in rough form as a special feature, but inserted back into the film, it would go a long way for a restoration if they still had the negative (I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't). I wonder this because that raw footage has been touted years ago on Peter Laird's blog, Blast From the Past, was a VHS tape. Is it just what he has of the film, or is it all that exists of the film outside of the theatrical cut? (I could have sworn Peter said he had a workprint cut on his blog, but I can't seem to find it. Someone also told me that he mentioned that there were some unused bits from John Du Prez's score, but I can't find that either...)

Originally Posted by xChri5x

What about this cut scene?:


Made a thread w/ pics awhile back:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=42798

It's from the alternate/extended Casey/Raph fight. Weapon X typed it out in his thread and Welmanshire posted an actual scan of this scene in the other.

A lot of "stills" are actual photographs taken on set as they are filming and not always screenshots from the film itself, so if it that is in deed fabric, it could have been the angle in which the photograph was taken, as opposed to the actual angle being filmed. It also could be taken sometime in between takes, when they were still in position and ready to start again. It could also just be the exposure.

Here's the pertinent bit:

Raphael suddenly sweeps Casey's feet out from under him, deftly swinging on top and putting a strangle hold on him.

Here are Welmanshire's scans:

[Sabacooza]

This more or less deals with the live action movie Laird was talking about before he sold the property to Viacom but could also apply to the 1990 movie. Laird talked about the possibility of this film being done like "Where the Wild Things Are" with live action costumes and CG assists for the facial expressions. Didn't he say at one point they did a test clip from the 1990 movie where their facial expressions were enhanced with CG. I'd love to see this clip to see how convincing it was. It would be nice if they could go back and do this for a Blu-ray release.

[the fixer]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

This more or less deals with the live action movie Laird was talking about before he sold the property to Viacom but could also apply to the 1990 movie. Laird talked about the possibility of this film being done like "Where the Wild Things Are" with live action costumes and CG assists for the facial expressions. Didn't he say at one point they did a test clip from the 1990 movie where their facial expressions were enhanced with CG. I'd love to see this clip to see how convincing it was. It would be nice if they could go back and do this for a Blu-ray release.

I remember Laird talked about this man-in-suit/CG hybrid they wanted to do for a next movie but I didn't know they did a CG mouth replacement test on Barron footage...
It'd be awesome if someone could intercept and retrieve that footage for all to see.
Sounds like a job for... THE CANADIAN!

[Michelangelo]

This better be true. If it is then TMNT could be bigger than dare I say it...Batman!

[MastahShredder]

There is a book that coinsides with the 1990 film? I can't find it anywhere.