Say something negative and positive

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by whatswiththeheadbands?

N: Too many one off mutants.
P: Has arguably the best version of Leo and Donnie

Best version of Donatello?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

Best version of Donatello?

That's mainly why i said arguably

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by whatswiththeheadbands?

That's mainly why i said arguably

no arguing there he's a whiny bitch..

positive, theme song is cool...

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

no arguing there he's a whiny bitch..

positive, theme song is cool...

now now...you made your point you don't care for 2012 Donnie move on to another negative and positive.

[electric_sheep]

Negative. Casey's a douche
Positive. Shredder is Darth Vader

[Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Konchadunga

Just because you wish April had less focus does not make her a Mary Sue. She actually does not have that much focus, nor does she have abilities to rival the Turtles. The oft-cited mind blast she used on the Kraang was explained.

The fact that she can rival a trained ninja in a fight after a few months of training (and win, weather by "dumb luck" or not hardly matters), has two main characters crushing on her (and if Casey doesn't count as a main character than at least 1 of the main 4 willing to put everything on the line for her), acts like she don't need no man to save her even when she is CLEARLY out of her element, has sudden "psychic" powers and is the ONE THING the Kraang want rather than the turtles (who apparently seem to be the main villains in the show as the Shredder is practically nonexistent at this point), all paint her as a Mary Sue in my book. I'm not happy to call her out on it, I've always liked April and there's ways to make her stand out, useful and unique without turning her into an insufferable brat.

But you know what, I gave my positives with my negatives. It's my opinion, it's not going to be changed. I hate April in this show. That's that. Luckily it's balanced out by an awesome depiction of Casey.

[electric_sheep]

i've got another one

P. Depiction of Rat king is awesome, love the Reanimator nods

N.The whole show is kinda generic...

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

The fact that she can rival a trained ninja in a fight after a few months of training (and win, weather by "dumb luck" or not hardly matters), has two main characters crushing on her (and if Casey doesn't count as a main character than at least 1 of the main 4 willing to put everything on the line for her), acts like she don't need no man to save her even when she is CLEARLY out of her element, has sudden "psychic" powers and is the ONE THING the Kraang want rather than the turtles (who apparently seem to be the main villains in the show as the Shredder is practically nonexistent at this point), all paint her as a Mary Sue in my book. I'm not happy to call her out on it, I've always liked April and there's ways to make her stand out, useful and unique without turning her into an insufferable brat.

But you know what, I gave my positives with my negatives. It's my opinion, it's not going to be changed. I hate April in this show. That's that. Luckily it's balanced out by an awesome depiction of Casey.

I have to agree....April is kinda a Mary Sue

I mean...she has psychic powers for goodness sake!!
she lost her parents...
2 boys like her
is a fast learner
she's the "key" to the kraang

so yea...basically what Boss Nova said.....

but my positive for her is....I LOVE her outfit XD it's adorable. Her whole design is cute~

[Karai Samurai]

Yup, what Bossa Nova and BabyTurtles said.
April's character is bordering Twilight at this point: she has no real redeemable qualities (or personality) yet somehow ends up in the middle of everything. I always think back to when Karai asked April what makes you so special because nothing makes her special. It's all contrived.

As a positive: Karai and Irma. Plus it's cool seeing April fight alongside the turtles every once in a while.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by Karai Samurai

Yup, what Bossa Nova and BabyTurtles said.
April's character is bordering Twilight at this point: she has no real redeemable qualities (or personality) yet somehow ends up in the middle of everything. I always think back to when Karai asked April what makes you so special because nothing makes her special. It's all contrived.

I'll have to agree too, she is skirting the edge of Sue territory. She's not quite there, but she's in danger of it. I think they should show some of the negative effects of the Kraang part of her, or have something happen to her that removes the Kraang part entirely.

P:The upcoming episodes sound exciting.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

I'll have to agree too, she is skirting the edge of Sue territory. She's not quite there, but she's in danger of it. I think they should show some of the negative effects of the Kraang part of her, or have something happen to her that removes the Kraang part entirely.

P:The upcoming episodes sound exciting.

Original April got captured a lot to, but she was fun and saved a day from time to day, new April is annoying.

P.splinters origin is cool...

[Colonel Schrader]

N:Karai looks ugly
P:Irma can get it!!

jk jk

N: Splinter is useless
P: Love the voice actors! perfect choices.

[Konchadunga]

Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

The fact that she can rival a trained ninja in a fight after a few months of training (and win, weather by "dumb luck" or not hardly matters),

Firstly, those "trained ninjas" are mooks. They aren't supposed to be that tough, and it's not clear how long they've trained. Granted, they've introduced robots who were supposed to be fast learners, bur to use that as an attack in April you'd need to use it as one on the Turtles, too, since next episode, it was as if the challenge was never there. Moreover, April is clairevoyant, meaning she can sense attacks, and unlike in the wirst Mary Sues, that has been explained. Her combat abilities are hardly comparable to any of the other heroes; if anyone is a Mary Sue in terms of fighting abilities, it's Casey, as he has absolutely no backstory to justify being near the Turtles in ability.

two main characters crushing on her (and if Casey doesn't count as a main character than at least 1 of the main 4 willing to put everything on the line for her),

While that's annoying, I'd call it more a problem with how they're written than how April is.

acts like she don't need no man to save her even when she is CLEARLY out of her element,

Again; that's annoying, but I've never seen it listed as one of the defining traits of a Mary Sue. Many youngventhusiastic characters have that. At least April is typically wrong in her brashness.

has sudden "psychic" powers

They're not sudden. It's been hinted at up until it was finally explained. You may not find the explanation sufficient, but it's better than pulling the powers out of nowhere, or making them the result of nothing but new age Chinese martial arts mumbo jumbo as TNM did.

and is the ONE THING the Kraang want rather than the turtles (who apparently seem to be the main villains in the show as the Shredder is practically nonexistent at this point),

Logistically, why would they want the Turtles? When you have the ability to splice genes of multiple creatures at will, that a few of them were taught martial arts isn't important. The Kraang need her to use her brainwaves to control their mutant armies.

all paint her as a Mary Sue in my book. I'm not happy to call her out on it, I've always liked April and there's ways to make her stand out, useful and unique without turning her into an insufferable brat.

You seem to have no concept of a curb in your book. April was given a gift to move her closer to the level of the Turtles, but not there. Compare that to 2003 April, who was a great fighter, almost as smart a scientist as Don, and a badass jungle girl, just because. Who's really the Mary Sue there?

But you know what, I gave my positives with my negatives. It's my opinion, it's not going to be changed. I hate April in this show. That's that.

That is an incredibly bullheaded statement. Nobody should rule out changing their opinion.

Luckily it's balanced out by an awesome depiction of Casey.

Again; what's awesome about it? He's the one whose competence is unexplained.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

But i must show you it, you don't know any better.
Ok I'll stop, but only because i know that i am right...

Not to bring any fuel to the fire to this but let me get this straight.

You like the IDW's because he's more subdue and written as a normal trouble youth but you hate the nick's because he is slightly more cartoonish?

[pannoni1]

N: The CGI animation is a bit ragged compared to the movies out there, plus many of the same backgrounds are re-used, giving the series a provincial feel
P: But still is fun to watch and the animation tends to get a bit better as the series goes on

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by Konchadunga

Firstly, those "trained ninjas" are mooks. They aren't supposed to be that tough, and it's not clear how long they've trained. Granted, they've introduced robots who were supposed to be fast learners, bur to use that as an attack in April you'd need to use it as one on the Turtles, too, since next episode, it was as if the challenge was never there. Moreover, April is clairevoyant, meaning she can sense attacks, and unlike in the wirst Mary Sues, that has been explained. Her combat abilities are hardly comparable to any of the other heroes; if anyone is a Mary Sue in terms of fighting abilities, it's Casey, as he has absolutely no backstory to justify being near the Turtles in ability.

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They're not sudden. It's been hinted at up until it was finally explained. You may not find the explanation sufficient, but it's better than pulling the powers out of nowhere, or making them the result of nothing but new age Chinese martial arts mumbo jumbo as TNM did.

Just because the abilities are explained, doesn't necessarily stop them from making her a Mary Sue. 'Alice' in the Resident Evil movies had her powers bestowed on her by having the T-Virus bond itself to her DNA; it still made her a known Sue. Wesker wanted to consume her DNA because it allowed his to stabilize, which is almost the same thing with the Kraang wanting April's DNA because it was the only one that would stabilize the mutagen. Alice has psychic powers, April has psychic powers. Alice has the T-Virus making her different, April has the Kraang DNA making her different. As I've said, April isn't in Sue territory yet, but she's getting close to the event horizon.

P: I love Rahzar's design. It makes him my favorite character.

[Lou 500]

N: There's waaay too many mutants flooding into this series - where the hell have they all gone, anyway? The sewers must be getting crowded.
P: I look forward to seeing Mona Lisa, though.

[Bossa Nova]

Konchadunga, this thread specifically calls for a negative and a positive. I gave exactly that and my mind is not going to be changed on how I feel about April no matter how many people try to convince me otherwise, especially as I gave some very clear reasons as to why she's pushed her limits with me. I've given her a crapton of leeway because I LIKE the concept of her character and I really wanted to like her again in this show. But overall she's pushed too many of my buttons and I don't find her the least bit interesting, engaging or amusing, and overall I find the episodes without her far more solid and well written. I'm tired of arguing with you people about this. I don't like April. I do like Casey. Normally I like them both pretty equally but in this show that's just not the case. Casey wins out be a long shot.

2k3 April may have had some traits that made her a bit too perfect (though I don't know why people always bring up the 'Jungle Girl' thing...she went para sailing. Apparently that's a big deal nowadays), but the fact of it is that to me, she was just so much better characterized and delivered to the audience that I never felt like she was outshining the turtles or some super special queen bee.

Edit: just to add, that "trained ninja" I was talking about was Karai, who I would hardly call a mook.

[Warhorse]

P-I do like the fight scenes and I like how the weapons look. I also like the added weapons to Mikey and Donnie.

N-I really dislike Splinter. For starters. he looks more like one of them Egyptian dog statues, not a rat. And I don't like how he doesn't even try to hide his favoritism to Leo (rewards him well when he wins in a sparring match) but is constantly on Raph's case (can't even reward him when he wins sparring matches, just wants to vulcan pinch him) and he seems to totally ignore Mikey and Donnie.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Not to bring any fuel to the fire to this but let me get this straight.

You like the IDW's because he's more subdue and written as a normal trouble youth but you hate the nick's because he is slightly more cartoonish?

No, i hate Nick Casey because it doesn't feel like Casey Jones. He isn't a street smart tough guy, he's a douchy hipster, i hate the way he's designed, i hate the way he talks, this is where he belongs I don't think even you can deny that...

positive. I like human design for splinter...