Alan Ritchson Defend MOVIE

[bridgegrn]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

It's not? Um yeah it's actually a lot more difficult than you think to do that stuff.

Difficult? Of course, most of the stuff these guys do is difficult. Impossible? Nope. They could have done it if they wanted. They went a different path and unfortunately, a lot of people are left scratching their heads about it.

[bridgegrn]

I'm looking forward to behind the scenes interviews and concept art. I'm so curious about what the hell they were thinking when they came up with these character designs.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by bridgegrn

Difficult? Of course, most of the stuff these guys do is difficult. Impossible? Nope. They could have done it if they wanted. They went a different path and unfortunately, a lot of people are left scratching their heads about it.

Originally Posted by bridgegrn

I'm looking forward to behind the scenes interviews and concept art. I'm so curious about what the hell they were thinking when they came up with these character designs.

This kind of Mentality IS kind of Confusing I get not liking the version

But when people say "what the hell were they thinking" Um well

What were any of these people thinking







All highly praised Very popular, never bashed TMNT redesigns. Ones that are very similar to what we got. And yet People talk so much Crap about the one we got
"Oh mikey looks like Shrek" Then the new trailer comes out And he looks fine No issue some even say he look Bad ass, But now they have to nit pick Donnie, Because hes making a face? Of course hes not going to look like that the whole time Obviously

Do you really see poutty "Jar Jar" lips in those photos NO because hes not making the same face

[Walkabout]

Alan Ritchson defend MOVIE: ENGAGE!

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

This kind of Mentality IS kind of Confusing I get not liking the version

But when people say "what the hell were they thinking" Um well

All highly praised Very popular, never bashed TMNT redesigns. Ones that are very similar to what we got. And yet People talk so much Crap about the one we got

I've only seen two of them and only really the last which seems to be used a lot for internet articles seems that praised and incidentally is the most faithful "redesign" - imagine that. I'd also point out that none have the off putting human faces or are overly bulky like the movie versions.

Another thing is that there is a difference in praising a fan art which redesigns the characters and what is being used professionally for what is supposed to be major Hollywood movie. The first piece of art you posted I'd say is an interesting take on TMNT but no way would anyone want to see it in a movie.

"Oh mikey looks like Shrek" Then the new trailer comes out And he looks fine No issue some even say he look Bad ass, But now they have to nit pick Donnie, Because hes making a face? Of course hes not going to look like that the whole time Obviously

Mikey looks fine now? Um...a bit more palatable perhaps but I wouldn't go as far to say he looks fine or "badass".

Also if indeed Dontatello is fine and it's just because they've chosen two shots of him were he's making strange faces then then it's a bit weird they deliberately chose those two shots out of an entire movie of the character looking normal.

Kind of how they chose the worst shot of Mikey with his mask off to sell the trailers. I would argue that those shots are not only representative of what we're getting and that they chose those moments in particular because they believe everyone would love the idea of the human-eque faces on the turtles (just like they thought we'd love them being aliens and Col. Schrader) but obviously most people loathe it which shows that these people do not get it.

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...67188143_n.jpg
Do you really see poutty "Jar Jar" lips in those photos NO because hes not making the same face

Were you not long ago arguing that the action figure box art should not be taken as representative of the movie designs?

Also I think it's kind of funny that a lot of people who breathed a sigh of relief after seeing pictures of those maquettes overlooked that their purpose was to give the actors a general round-a-bout impression of what the turtles would look like as opposed to a definite finished design.

Obviously I don't see human-like lips on those designs, I don't see pronounced nostrils either but we know the finished designs all have them.

Not to mention the maquettes are missing several things such as Don's ridiculous glasses and Raph and Mikey's straps and shell beads and sun glasses etc

Those maquettes were popular because they resembled the classic turtle look particularly in the faces despite some redesigned elements but no one accounted that they'd further change them and load them with even more extraneous crap or superimpose human faces...well I actually did and feel somewhat vindicated in not taking those statuettes seriously. Instead everyone should have been paying attention to that Halloween costume - much more accurate to what we're getting.

[unlundun]

well played samxsteal, well played. People just love to hate.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by unlundun

well played samxsteal, well played. People just love to hate.

Well I'll credit him for finding a lot of different images and going to the trouble putting them here but it does kind of highlight his points don't stand up to much scrutiny.

When the main issue is that the Platinum Dunes turtles have weird human-type faces and people don't like that then posting fan art of the turtles with classic styled faces and pointing out they how popular they are kind of defeats his point.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I've only seen two of them and only really the last which seems to be used a lot for internet articles seems that praised and incidentally is the most faithful "redesign" - imagine that. I'd also point out that none have the off putting human faces or are overly bulky like the movie versions.

Another thing is that there is a difference in praising a fan art which redesigns the characters and what is being used professionally for what is supposed to be major Hollywood movie. The first piece of art you posted I'd say is an interesting take on TMNT but no way would anyone want to see it in a movie.

ANd yet besides have "less" gear on they look very similar in design some have even compared the new movie designs to them as such.

that design in particular have nostrils and lips.

third one down are they not larger i can find larger one that still get heaps of praise while these are getting bashed,

Yes i have heard peopel say "i would prefer seeing these one over the movie designs WHich in fan art form get praised as amazing SMH

It just astounds me that people feel its ok to say hey all to designs are good then see the movie turtle and be like "what were they thinking" it makes absolutely so sense you dont like it fine that cool but to bash it so vigorously is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Mikey looks fine now? Um...a bit more palatable perhaps but I wouldn't go as far to say he looks fine or "badass".

Also if indeed Dontatello is fine and it's just because they've chosen two shots of him were he's making strange faces then then it's a bit weird they deliberately chose those two shots out of an entire movie of the character looking normal.

Kind of how they chose the worst shot of Mikey with his mask off to sell the trailers. I would argue that those shots are not only representative of what we're getting and that thoey chose those moments in particular because they believe everyone would love the idea of the human-eque faces on the turtles (just like they thought we'd love them being aliens and Col. Schrader) but obviously most people loathe it which shows that these people do not get it.

YEs i have heard people say " ok mikey Looks fine, they must have changed his face" NO no they didn't it all about angles lighting and expressions. same goes for donnie.

They choose those to shots becasuse they Convey Emotion More then any turtle ass notice the way his eye brow are angled in worry fear anguish hes clenching his teeth as seen in this jaw is breathing in through his teeth, sneering so his lips look "awkward". His eye show so much life widened by astonishment surprise. Something no live action turtle as ever been able to do, ever. his Scream!!!! Come on so much emotion eye clenched shut forced bellow

They choose the Mikey scene As Joke and IDK about you but the is Quintessential Mikey right there SO naive. Think a simple eye mask protects his "identity" It not that they were trying to sell the look they were trying to sell the character.


this in no way looks like Shrek at all in any way beside being green. His head shape is exactly how they have always been a round triangle and his nose in this shot is non existent except the vents even the lips are less pronounced why? because the lighting and his expression.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Were you not long ago arguing that the action figure box art should not be taken as representative of the movie designs?

Also I think it's kind of funny that a lot of people who breathed a sigh of relief after seeing pictures of those maquettes overlooked that their purpose was to give the actors a general round-a-bout impression of what the turtles would look like as opposed to a definite finished design.

Obviously I don't see human-like lips on those designs, I don't see pronounced nostrils either but we know the finished designs all have them.

Not to mention the maquettes are missing several things such as Don's ridiculous glasses and Raph and Mikey's straps and shell beads and sun glasses etc

Those maquettes were popular because they resembled the classic turtle look particularly in the faces despite some redesigned elements but no one accounted that they'd further change them and load them with even more extraneous crap or superimpose human faces...well I actually did and feel somewhat vindicated in not taking those statuettes seriously. Instead everyone should have been paying attention to that Halloween costume - much more accurate to what we're getting.

Im sorry but this

Looks Exactly like this


and this

looks nothing like this

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Well I'll credit him for finding a lot of different images and going to the trouble putting them here but it does kind of highlight his points don't stand up to much scrutiny.

When the main issue is that the Platinum Dunes turtles have weird human-type faces and people don't like that then posting fan art of the turtles with classic styled faces and pointing out they how popular they are kind of defeats his point.

The only "human" aspect of the Movie designs are the eyes(which are good) and the Lips thats it and

These have lips to And these are one of the most popular redesigned fanarts out there.


and these really dont look all to different (besides donnie because of the face hes making) this the art above



Notice

Nose slots: Check and check
Lips: check and check
Larger shell: check and check
Varying heights: check and check
Different body Builds: check and Check

[Rooish]

Good points, samxsteal. I actually prefer the movie designs to that ugly fan art.

Wow that interviewer was so awkward. Jeez what was wrong with joking with her a bit about her favourite Turtle? It's like she can't handle people knowing she liked Turtles as a kid, who effing cares?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Actually, the maquette of Leo doesn't look exactly like the film shot. It's subtle, but if you pay attention, it will get more noticeable.

Look at the maquette and you can draw a circle around the nose and mouth. It has a somewhat pronounced design as though that area of the face protrudes a bit, which looks like the more traditional "beak" area of the face.

The final product doesn't have this almost at all. The curves on either side of the mouth, defining where the cheeks are, gives it the more human and less beakish look.

Can't really edit this right now, but just look at the middle pic, not the numbered ones. Notice how the nose is more of an overall curve extended past just where the nostrils are? That's more of the indication I get from the maquette (though admittedly the image is still more pronounced than the maquette as well) and gives a much better blended design mixing turtle beak with human features.





And also, yeah, the Halloween mask actually does look exactly like the movie version. It's just a solid coat of green with no texturing. It's the same structure, minus all the detailing. Which honestly just emphasizes the poor quality of that mask.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Actually, the maquette of Leo doesn't look exactly like the film shot. It's subtle, but if you pay attention, it will get more noticeable.

Look at the maquette and you can draw a circle around the nose and mouth. It has a somewhat pronounced design as though that area of the face protrudes a bit, which looks like the more traditional "beak" area of the face.

The final product doesn't have this almost at all. The curves on either side of the mouth, defining where the cheeks are, gives it the more human and less beakish look.

Can't really edit this right now, but just look at the middle pic, not the numbered ones. Notice how the nose is more of an overall curve extended past just where the nostrils are? That's more of the indication I get from the maquette (though admittedly the image is still more pronounced than the maquette as well) and gives a much better blended design mixing turtle beak with human features.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content...nal-Design.jpg



And also, yeah, the Halloween mask actually does look exactly like the movie version. It's just a solid coat of green with no texturing. It's the same structure, minus all the detailing. Which honestly just emphasizes the poor quality of that mask.

http://i.imgur.com/ZCVY8GQ.jpg
In the new trailer his snout is even more retracted, by the time we get to the movie it will be gone completly, he will just have a doughnut head...

[xChri5x]

Wow... It's funny how people get so upset about the fact that these turtles can emote, which means they can make different faces. Nothing has changed from the maquette's.

ps they all have "beaks".

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Actually, the maquette of Leo doesn't look exactly like the film shot. It's subtle, but if you pay attention, it will get more noticeable.

Look at the maquette and you can draw a circle around the nose and mouth. It has a somewhat pronounced design as though that area of the face protrudes a bit, which looks like the more traditional "beak" area of the face.

The final product doesn't have this almost at all. The curves on either side of the mouth, defining where the cheeks are, gives it the more human and less beakish look.

Can't really edit this right now, but just look at the middle pic, not the numbered ones. Notice how the nose is more of an overall curve extended past just where the nostrils are? That's more of the indication I get from the maquette (though admittedly the image is still more pronounced than the maquette as well) and gives a much better blended design mixing turtle beak with human features.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content...nal-Design.jpg



And also, yeah, the Halloween mask actually does look exactly like the movie version. It's just a solid coat of green with no texturing. It's the same structure, minus all the detailing. Which honestly just emphasizes the poor quality of that mask.

I I think they look the Same and the only reason Leo Look like he has "less" in the new trailer is his expression Not that its not there. I mean they have a base Model for the face and they just emote with that model its not like they change the proportion for each new shot no they take the mocap build a model, then use the model.

And im sorry But i totally disagree the Mask looks nothing like him maybe a vague recognition but that it. The textures are off, the colors are off, the shape is off, the nose is off, the eyes are off, the mask is off. What does that leave up a green face that it.

Originally Posted by xChri5x

Wow... It's funny how people get so upset about the fact that these turtles can emote, which means they can make different faces. Nothing has changed from the maquette's.

ps they all have "beaks".

Agreed Seriously it one reason im super happy about this style. Look at raph look at his anger, Un like before with blank stars slight brow furrowing and a slight grimace, You see the anger in his face in his eyes mouth eye brows everything

[Radical Raph]

I agree that the maquettes look the same as the movie version. It's just a difference in lighting and angle. I hate some people are already deciding the movie will be crap based on the designs. But I also hate that some people are already defending it like there's no possible way it could be bad. Lets just wait and see the movie.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

http://i.imgur.com/ZCVY8GQ.jpg
In the new trailer his snout is even more retracted, by the time we get to the movie it will be gone completly, he will just have a doughnut head...

Homer, stop picking at it!
But I'm so delicious....

Originally Posted by samxsteal

And im sorry But i totally disagree the Mask looks nothing like him maybe a vague recognition but that it. The textures are off, the colors are off, the shape is off, the nose is off, the eyes are off, the mask is off. What does that leave up a green face that it.

Like I said, the textures and colors are off, and I'll agree the shape of the head (more vertically stretched)

But the nose is the same, the mask is the same but less detailed, the lips are the same. It's not like the mask has no resemblance whatsoever. It's a lousy cheap mask, but it's not a random green face with no resemblance to the movie. You're deluding yourself if you think it's that much of a complete difference.

And the eyes are off? Seriously? There aren't eyes....the mask has eye holes.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

I agree that the maquettes look the same as the movie version. It's just a difference in lighting and angle. I hate some people are already deciding the movie will be crap based on the designs. But I also hate that some people are already defending it like there's no possible way it could be bad. Lets just wait and see the movie.

dude i understand ppl not liking the designs of the turtles...but check the official TMNT facebook page - ppl are dismissing this film on the sole factor that April isnt a red-head. a red-head?!?! it kills me.

she was never one in the original films or the mirage comics, but on THIS reason alone, people are being dismissive. i had to stop reading their page because it was frustrating me how ignorant ppl were being.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

dude i understand ppl not liking the designs of the turtles...but check the official TMNT facebook page - ppl are dismissing this film on the sole factor that April isnt a red-head. a red-head?!?! it kills me.

she was never one in the original films or the mirage comics, but on THIS reason alone, people are being dismissive. i had to stop reading their page because it was frustrating me how ignorant ppl were being.

Frankly, I could care less about April's hair color at this point. The biggest problems I have with this film are A) the choice of director, B) the turtles designs, and C) Erich Sachs as Shredder.

[Warhorse]

It's now come to the point, where I just don't care anymore. It's a trainwreck, but there is nothing little me can do about it but sit back and see what happens. If it's a hit, then I guess people liked the changes. If it's a bust, then I guess it's going to be either (A) people didn't like the changes, or (B) the mass movie going audience just doesn't care for TMNT.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

It's now come to the point, where I just don't care anymore. It's a trainwreck, but there is nothing little me can do about it but sit back and see what happens. If it's a hit, then I guess people liked the changes. If it's a bust, then I guess it's going to be either (A) people didn't like the changes, or (B) the mass movie going audience just doesn't care for TMNT.

i'd hesitate to say audiences don't care for tmnt . if it bombs I'd say its either because of option a or the fact that you barely see any movie sites or other places like that saying anything positive about this thing. the most optimistic thing iv heard is "who knows maybe it will be good." a lot of people might be scared away from it.