Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 21: Darkest Plight - Page 4

*neatoman* · 11-13-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ColinStein

Much like most here, that episode was awesome and dark! I don't think I have anything to add to the conversation that hasn't already been said except... Where's Shinigami? Did I miss something important in previous episodes explaining why she isn't around?

Yeah struck me too, but it didn't occur to me until a few minutes after I watched the episode, guess I was just too focused on the Rat King parts. Anyway, Shinigami... Well either she was just forgotten about (really quickly) or she was just another toy character, hard to tell with this show sometimes.

*CyberCubed* · 11-13-2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Anyway, Shinigami... Well either she was just forgotten about (really quickly) or she was just another toy character, hard to tell with this show sometimes.

No. She was just in the previous episode and got knocked out by Shredder. What the hell do you mean, "just another toy character?" Every character in the show can or should get toys, but that doesn't mean she's not there as part of the story.

Do people on this forum really have collective amnesia when watching this show? A character who just appeared in the previous episode is "forgotten?" What is wrong with some of you?

*neatoman* · 11-13-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

No. She was just in the previous episode and got knocked out by Shredder. What the hell do you mean, "just another toy character?" Every character in the show can or should get toys, but that doesn't mean she's not there as part of the story.

Do people on this forum really have collective amnesia when watching this show? A character who just appeared in the previous episode is "forgotten?" What is wrong with some of you?

It's been a week, we don't have perfect memories for every little detail. So fine, she was knocked out, thanks for reminding us.

*CyberCubed* · 11-13-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

It's been a week, we don't have perfect memories for every little detail. So fine, she was knocked out, thanks for reminding us.

People forget things in 1 weeks time? I would worry about that if I were you.

*Vicky82* · 11-13-2016, 01:42 PM

Whenever the episode gets aired here. The British censors are very strict, so if they don't cut anything from this episode, i'll eat my hat.

*MikeandRaph87* · 11-13-2016, 01:50 PM

Just a couple of comments for now.

It was guaranteed that The Rat King would return once they broke the floor and ended up where Splinter beat The Rat King and play a a role similar to what he did in City At War story-line in the Mirage comics.

Rocksteady being the one to go spelunking to look for Shredder? The body size in this version would suggest Bebop. I am surprised at the loyalty of those two considering how they started out. Loyalty is one of the three defining traits of both Bebop and Rocksteady but it did not carry over here.

*neatoman* · 11-13-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

People forget things in 1 weeks time? I would worry about that if I were you.

It was a rather minor detail.

~~TMNTInsighter~~ · 11-13-2016, 02:13 PM

No neatoman, you were right. The episode was great but that was still a bad job on the creators' part to forget/not include Shinigami.

Aaronardo · 11-13-2016, 02:26 PM

Shinigami doesn't even have even somewhat of a personality in this show, so of course nobody's going to remember when something randomly happens to her.

Great episode. Better than last week's. I lost my sh*t when Rat King appeared on screen and they were actually adapting the Mirage plot they took the name of, rather than some of the other bullsh*t we've gotten (City At War, Return To New York). Intense and actually funny when it needed to be, -- Bebop and Rocksteady actually made me laugh quite a bit here -- just like last week, I felt like I was watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles again.

Side-note, GOD it was weird hearing Seth Green saying one of Jason Biggs's first lines in the show in that flashback. It makes it even more obvious just how weird it is having Seth Green portray the character the way he does.

Haalix · 11-13-2016, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

It did spook my 4 year old a wee bit, but he just came up to me and snuggled.

I feel like cartoons have been less brutal than they used to be. I grew up with quite 'gruesome' cartoons. I mean even Avatar had some moments, Aang dying for example. But it didn't traumatise me or anything. Or I even recall cartoons where the main characters are tortured and visibly stabbed and bleeding.

I can imagine that kids (and adults) were shocked that the family friendly TMNT showed some brutal scenes.

*Vicky82* · 11-13-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Haalix

I feel like cartoons have been less brutal than they used to be. I grew up with quite 'gruesome' cartoons. I mean even Avatar had some moments, Aang dying for example. But it didn't traumatise me or anything. Or I even recall cartoons where the main characters are tortured and visibly stabbed and bleeding.

I can imagine that kids (and adults) were shocked that the family friendly TMNT showed some brutal scenes.

Some of the 90s shows were pretty shocking, The Animals of Farthing Wood, Gargoyles, The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, Highlander the animated series.

*CyberCubed* · 11-13-2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Haalix

I feel like cartoons have been less brutal than they used to be. I grew up with quite 'gruesome' cartoons. I mean even Avatar had some moments, Aang dying for example. But it didn't traumatise me or anything. Or I even recall cartoons where the main characters are tortured and visibly stabbed and bleeding.

I can imagine that kids (and adults) were shocked that the family friendly TMNT showed some brutal scenes.

90's cartoons were far stricter in terms of censors than what we have now. Only select few shows got away with some adult themes like the DCAU and Gargoyles.

~~TMNTInsighter~~ · 11-13-2016, 03:25 PM

If "A teacher maybe, but you were never my master!" was an option, I'd pick it. That and Tang Shen's appearance are the more underrated parts of the episode IMO.

*Powder* · 11-13-2016, 03:27 PM

Have Bebop & Rocksteady always been so big? Rock especially seemed way bigger than I remember him being in this series.

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Whenever the episode gets aired here. The British censors are very strict, so if they don't cut anything from this episode, i'll eat my hat.

Have any of the UK showings across these 4 seasons been censored so far? What did they remove/edit, if anything?

*Vicky82* · 11-13-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Have Bebop & Rocksteady always been so big? Rock especially seemed way bigger than I remember him being in this series.

Have any of the UK showings across these 4 seasons been censored so far? What did they remove/edit, if anything?

I know they've cut out head shots, like a knife thru the robots head ect. They've also cut out Raph and Casey riding on a car in The Invasion. I haven't seen any other edits lately only because i've skipped watching the Space Arc on Nick here. City at War starts next week so i'll be watching that on Nick.

*Powder* · 11-13-2016, 03:59 PM

Oh wow, I had no idea they were doing anything like that. While the series has more edge than expected at times, there's not been anything I would've expected to be thought of as "too much" for TV or kids TV, anyway. UK censorship is very odd, it often seems so illogical. I mean, robot gore, really? You're gonna censor robots getting beaten up?

*Vicky82* · 11-13-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Oh wow, I had no idea they were doing anything like that. While the series has more edge than expected at times, there's not been anything I would've expected to be thought of as "too much" for TV or kids TV, anyway. UK censorship is very odd, it often seems so illogical. I mean, robot gore, really? You're gonna censor robots getting beaten up?

We still get robots getting destroyed just not involving the head only below the head. Its the impacts they cut out.

In Within the Woods, they cut out when the Creep thru the pitchfork at Donnie.

Rhio2k · 11-13-2016, 04:25 PM

Wait...this ep DOESN'T have Alopex? Maaaaan...

*Vicky82* · 11-13-2016, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhio2k

Wait...this ep DOESN'T have Alopex? Maaaaan...

Where did you get idea that Alopex was in this episode

There was no indication that she appears in this episode.

*CyberCubed* · 11-13-2016, 04:35 PM

Furries getting too excited.

View Poll Results: A teacher maybe, but you were never my master!
Ding dong the Rat Kings dead!	14	25.93%
Shredder: Karai, I never wanted to hurt you. Everyone else: All you done is hurt her!	7	12.96%
Shredder is becoming too crazy, even for Tigerclaw!	6	11.11%
Splinter: Never before have I been so glad to see such smiling faces.	15	27.78%
April's nose bleeding as she psychicly throws a tanker truck at Shredder.	12	22.22%
Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

11-13-2016, 01:42 PM	#65
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,803	Whenever the episode gets aired here. The British censors are very strict, so if they don't cut anything from this episode, i'll eat my hat. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

11-13-2016, 01:50 PM	#66
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,185	Just a couple of comments for now. It was guaranteed that The Rat King would return once they broke the floor and ended up where Splinter beat The Rat King and play a a role similar to what he did in City At War story-line in the Mirage comics. Rocksteady being the one to go spelunking to look for Shredder? The body size in this version would suggest Bebop. I am surprised at the loyalty of those two considering how they started out. Loyalty is one of the three defining traits of both Bebop and Rocksteady but it did not carry over here. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

11-13-2016, 02:26 PM	#69
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	Shinigami doesn't even have even somewhat of a personality in this show, so of course nobody's going to remember when something randomly happens to her. Great episode. Better than last week's. I lost my sht when Rat King appeared on screen and they were actually adapting the Mirage plot they took the name of, rather than some of the other bullsht we've gotten (City At War, Return To New York). Intense and actually funny when it needed to be, -- Bebop and Rocksteady actually made me laugh quite a bit here -- just like last week, I felt like I was watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles again. Side-note, GOD it was weird hearing Seth Green saying one of Jason Biggs's first lines in the show in that flashback. It makes it even more obvious just how weird it is having Seth Green portray the character the way he does. __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

11-13-2016, 02:13 PM	#68
~~TMNTInsighter~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: South Carolina Posts: 429	No neatoman, you were right. The episode was great but that was still a bad job on the creators' part to forget/not include Shinigami.

11-13-2016, 03:25 PM	#73
~~TMNTInsighter~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: South Carolina Posts: 429	If "A teacher maybe, but you were never my master!" was an option, I'd pick it. That and Tang Shen's appearance are the more underrated parts of the episode IMO.

11-13-2016, 03:59 PM	#76
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Oh wow, I had no idea they were doing anything like that. While the series has more edge than expected at times, there's not been anything I would've expected to be thought of as "too much" for TV or kids TV, anyway. UK censorship is very odd, it often seems so illogical. I mean, robot gore, really? You're gonna censor robots getting beaten up?

11-13-2016, 04:25 PM	#78
Rhio2k Random Punk Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 33	Wait...this ep DOESN'T have Alopex? Maaaaan...

11-13-2016, 04:35 PM	#80
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,693	Furries getting too excited.