Is Mondo Gecko unnecessary?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Go marry your cousin.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I call BS on that graphic.

No way is California less redneck than Texas.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And you're again comparing characters from a completely different series with different roles. I could just as easily say Rat King was screwed over in 4kids because he only really appeared for 1 measly episode. A character as important as him and 4kids introduced him far too late and only gave him 1 real episode.

Most characters in 4kids outside the main villains only have a handful of appearances like Rat King, Nano, Garbageman, Quarry, Evil turtlebot, Angel, all those one-shot humans like Abigail finn and those Texans, the mob, etc.

You guys are criticizing the Nick show for doing the same thing any other Turtle show does.

Rat King appears in two episodes "Bishop's Gambit" and "I Monster"

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Rat King appears in two episodes "Bishop's Gambit" and "I Monster"

He didn't become Rat King till his second episode. He was a clone cyborg Bishop in the first.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

He didn't become Rat King till his second episode. He was a clone cyborg Bishop in the first.

But did he marry his first cousin?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

But did he marry his first cousin?

Depends, would you consider him Bishop's brother or son?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Depends, would you consider him Bishop's brother or son?

Is it murder if I kill my own clones?
...
I'm seriously asking.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Is it murder if I kill my own clones?
...
I'm seriously asking.

Yes.
Clones are just identical twins.

That said, this is only true once you've exited the womb.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Is it murder if I kill my own clones?
...
I'm seriously asking.

No Krieger that would be suicide

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So then what's the point? Just because Hun and Bishop were major villains in one particular show doesn't mean they have to be in this one. Your argument is they're not the same? Bishop isn't even an antagonist in this show so its completely different.

No my argument is that both Hun and Bishop barely appear in the Nick series despite being big name characters if your reading comprehension was above that of a second grader you know that, its like the equivalent of having a Spiderman series and have the Green Goblin appear in 2 episodes.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I fail to see the logic here. There's no rule in certain characters have to be used more than others. Leatherhead didn't even appear in IDW for over 50 issues and nobody is making a big deal out of it when he's a major character introduced early in every other incarnation.

When you borrow big players from other incarnations and give them a minuscule of appearances people tend to get annoyed also I was never mad at the series for showing Hun or Bishop in season 3 however the reason why I said that Bishop should've been in this series earlier was because the Kraang played a huge part in seasons 1 and 2 which ment more appearances for Bishop. The point I'm trying to make is that these big named players are rarely being used to the point that the writers should't have slapped iconic names to them.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Yes.
Clones are just identical twins.

That said, this is only true once you've exited the womb.

Tell that to Shinzon.

Originally Posted by PApagreg

No Krieger that would be suicide.

You. I like you. Clone bone!

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

No my argument is that both Hun and Bishop barely appear in the Nick series despite being big name characters if your reading comprehension was above that of a second grader you know that, its like the equivalent of having a Spiderman series and have the Green Goblin appear in 2 episodes.

Who said Bishop and Hun HAVE to be major characters? You're again using precedent from a previous show. They don't HAVE to be major characters in this show. No character has to be the same as any other series.

By that logic Bebop/Rocksteady not being introduced until Season 3 in Nick would be odd since they were there from the start in the OT. Characters don't have to have the same size roles from one show to the next. And as said, Nick's Bishop isn't a villain so he wouldn't be out there starting trouble for the Turtles.

I said that Bishop should've been in this series earlier was because the Kraang played a huge part in seasons 1 and 2 which ment more appearances for Bishop. The point I'm trying to make is that these big named players are rarely being used to the point that the writers should't have slapped iconic names to them.

Either way, I'm sure when they close out the Kraang arc we'll see Bishop and the Utroms once more.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Who said Bishop and Hun HAVE to be major characters? You're again using precedent from a previous show. They don't HAVE to be major characters in this show. No character has to be the same as any other series.

By that logic Bebop/Rocksteady not being introduced until Season 3 in Nick would be odd since they were there from the start in the OT. Characters don't have to have the same size roles from one show to the next. And as said, Nick's Bishop isn't a villain so he wouldn't be out there starting trouble for the Turtles.



Either way, I'm sure when they close out the Kraang arc we'll see Bishop and the Utroms once more.

Ignoring Bebop & Rocksteady were added because they were popular and most fans recognize them. Which seem to be the point with Hun until recent developments. Be honest did we really need Bebop and Rocksteady in this version?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Ignoring Bebop & Rocksteady were added because they were popular and most fans recognize them. Which seem to be the point with Hun until recent developments. Be honest did we really need Bebop and Rocksteady in this version?

I quite like Nick's Bebop and Rocksteady so yes. Beats seeing the same two mutants beaten over and over.

[ssjup81]

I think the main thing I like about Mondo Gecko, is the fact that Robbie Rist is voicing him. His origin for this version is okay and is closer to the source material. I prefer his Nick origin to the forced, convoluted story they came up with for the OT.

Is he useless? Probably. It’s not like he can do much of anything since as a human he wasn’t set up to be “useful” as far as fighting went. He was a stoned skater dude for this continuity. Okay, maybe “stoned” is harsh, but I could see a character like his being on something. Seriously, who accepts his mutation that easily?

Now, do I like this character? I don’t know. I neither like, nor dislike him…like the other multitude of characters in this series. It takes a lot for me to straight up dislike or hate a character, which is why my list of characters that fall into this category is incredibly small. I may dislike things a character may do, but not dislike or hate the character. So yeah, I don’t dislike Mondo Gecko in this series. Getting down to it, I don’t think I hate any character that’s appeared in this series so far. I’ve disliked things said or done by characters, but I didn’t dislike the character itself.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Who said Bishop and Hun HAVE to be major characters? You're again using precedent from a previous show. They don't HAVE to be major characters in this show. No character has to be the same as any other series.

For the hundredth thousandth time I'm not talking about their change in character but their relevancy if they are going to barely appear in the series you might as well make them original characters.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

By that logic Bebop/Rocksteady not being introduced until Season 3 in Nick would be odd since they were there from the start in the OT. Characters don't have to have the same size roles from one show to the next. And as said, Nick's Bishop isn't a villain so he wouldn't be out there starting trouble for the Turtles.

Thats a horrible analogy because like I said I didn't care that Hun wasn't in season 1 just the fact hes barely relevant in this series, like I said previously if you aren't going to use the characters just make new ones.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Either way, I'm sure when they close out the Kraang arc we'll see Bishop and the Utroms once more.

I doubt it season 5 is going to have Karvkass as the main antagonist and the 3 parter with Usagi.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

I doubt it season 5 is going to have Karvkass as the main antagonist and the 3 parter with Usagi.

Season 5 has 20 episodes. They're not all going to be focused on one thing. Its rather obvious Kraang will get some final arc by the end of the show, they're treated almost as important as Shredder as villains.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Go marry your cousin.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I call BS on that graphic.

No way is California less redneck than Texas.

Not as bad as what goes on in Game of Thrones.

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

No Krieger that would be suicide

Don't think so. A clone is a different person from the donor of the DNA. (Case in point, identical twins are naturally created clones, but are their own distinct person.

Originally Posted by PApagreg

No my argument is that both Hun and Bishop barely appear in the Nick series despite being big name characters if your reading comprehension was above that of a second grader you know that, its like the equivalent of having a Spiderman series and have the Green Goblin appear in 2 episodes.

I'm not sure any of them are that big a name (certainly nowhere near Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Karai, Baxter Stockman, etc.). On top of that, Hun has made several appearances to date. Finally, neither of them are a Green Goblin-level TMNT character in the first place.

Speaking of Spider-Man, Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, as I recall, only had one Green Goblin episode, so it can be done. Also, he has appeared sparingly in other series and versions as well.

Originally Posted by PApagreg

When you borrow big players from other incarnations and give them a minuscule of appearances people tend to get annoyed also I was never mad at the series for showing Hun or Bishop in season 3 however the reason why I said that Bishop should've been in this series earlier was because the Kraang played a huge part in seasons 1 and 2 which ment more appearances for Bishop. The point I'm trying to make is that these big named players are rarely being used to the point that the writers should't have slapped iconic names to them.

The Nick show does have its own big players, so it can't give every single character ever created a big role. On top of that, like any adaptation, it's going to focus on some stuff and less on others (like how 2k3 went heavy on the supernatural, while Nick has done more with sci-fi). You have to take things in the context of what works for the specific adaptation.

For example, Spider-Man 3 gets a lot of flack for how it presented Gwen Stacy in a minor role, despite the fact that in this specific film series, presenting her in her classic role as Spider-Man's first serious girlfriend wouldn't work, since Mary Jane was already slotted in there, and had in fact taken on several of comic Gwen's traits and story beats already. The original Gwen story wasn't the story that the movies were being told, so they put her in a way that would fit this story. (In fact, Gwen was originally going to be a brand-new character. She was made Gwen to make her a familiar face to fans.

So, my opinion boils down to the suggestions that A.) Bishop and Hun are C-level TMNT characters, not A or B ones, B.) they've been used as much as they're needed for this specific adaptation of TMNT, and C.) basing them off preexisting characters made them more important to the audience than just making up new ones.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

Don't think so. A clone is a different person from the donor of the DNA. (Case in point, identical twins are naturally created clones, but are their own distinct person.




I'm not sure any of them are that big a name (certainly nowhere near Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Karai, Baxter Stockman, etc.). On top of that, Hun has made several appearances to date. Finally, neither of them are a Green Goblin-level TMNT character in the first place.

Speaking of Spider-Man, Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, as I recall, only had one Green Goblin episode, so it can be done. Also, he has appeared sparingly in other series and versions as well.




The Nick show does have its own big players, so it can't give every single character ever created a big role. On top of that, like any adaptation, it's going to focus on some stuff and less on others (like how 2k3 went heavy on the supernatural, while Nick has done more with sci-fi). You have to take things in the context of what works for the specific adaptation.

For example, Spider-Man 3 gets a lot of flack for how it presented Gwen Stacy in a minor role, despite the fact that in this specific film series, presenting her in her classic role as Spider-Man's first serious girlfriend wouldn't work, since Mary Jane was already slotted in there, and had in fact taken on several of comic Gwen's traits and story beats already. The original Gwen story wasn't the story that the movies were being told, so they put her in a way that would fit this story. (In fact, Gwen was originally going to be a brand-new character. She was made Gwen to make her a familiar face to fans.

So, my opinion boils down to the suggestions that A.) Bishop and Hun are C-level TMNT characters, not A or B ones, B.) they've been used as much as they're needed for this specific adaptation of TMNT, and C.) basing them off preexisting characters made them more important to the audience than just making up new ones.

To be fair, most didn't know who Karai was until 2k3 since then she is on a first name basis as Krang and the rest.

[Coola Yagami]

Bebop and Rocksteady were cool, but they really didn't need to be here, especially with Tigerclaw. It's the writers' own fault they nerfed Chris and Xever so badly. I mean why even bother with the double mutation if Rahzar was gonna be such a punk?

And Hun... I kinda felt they wanted a Bruce Lee character but decided to slap the name Hun on him to shut up the 2K3 fans that were complaining that the show was mostly focused on the 80s version and nothing else.

Likewise Bishop. Slap some shades on a Kraang, call him Bishop and call it a day.

Either way, Mondo Gecko deserved better, especially since he was more formidable in other versions.