Aquaman & The Lost Kingdom

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's a dangerous game if we're gonna start playing "I only go see movies starring Good and Decent People," which is what it seems like people selectively want to do. It amazes me that sometimes people like to act shocked when they find out, Shocker, those rich pretty people who sprinkle cocaine on their breakfast cereal are actually awful train wrecks in Real Life, and then they're like "That's it, I can't in good conscience go see a movie with that person in it!" F*cking spare me. It's a business based entirely on make-believe and every single one of these people is a goddamn degenerate.

Although really blunt, mrmaczaps is probably right when he said '90% of hollyweird are creepy perverted kid diddling high brow a$$holes that couldn't care less about the average viewer as long as they get paid'. I remember when people boycotted Chick Fil A due to homophobia circa 2012 or so, and this one girl I knew online declared she'd never eat there again, and she'd exclusively go to Popeyes. I posited that, for all she knew, the owners of Popeyes could be sacrificing kittens in a satanic ritual every night. She blew her top at me over it, saying that it just wasn't possible. Popeyes were 'good guys' compared to CFA...for some reason. The point I'm trying to make is that you never know what goes on behind closed doors, especially when it comes to these celebrities.

Everything would still be exactly the same as it is; nobody who thought the Fantastic Beasts sequel sucked said, "But Johnny Depp could've saved it." Not one person thinks that. If anything, it'd be one more clunker he has his name stuck on.

Actually, after the trial, I've been seeing that ridiculous rhetoric lately. "I bet WB regrets not keeping John-John on! Because they fired him, the Fantastic Beasts movie flopped!" Come on, people.

I really wish people would stop concerning themselves with the personal lives of minstrels, and simply compartmentalized Art from The Artist the way they like to pretend they do. As I've said, I care more about the movies they make than I do any of these assholes as people. So when the movies get screwed up on account of petty nonsense (and in turn, the common rabble's morbid fascination with said petty nonsense), I find it supremely aggravating.

Sadly, this is how it is going to be moving forward. Same thing happened with Kevin Spacey, and the like. Welcome to Hollywood in 20... Well, not '22 since this has been going on long before now. Ugh.

Ah well. One more DC movie to skip. I guess that's okay, I can just ignore the entire franchise now altogether! It was admittedly kinda weird being like, "I don't really care about any of it... but I guess Aquaman 2 might be good." Now there's no outlier! "It all looks like sh*t!" That's kinda awesome, I guess.

I wasn't going to see this anyhow, but dang. It just sucks that studios are bending over backwards for left or right wing keyboard warriors. Like I said, this has been a thing long before this situation with Heard and Depp, though this one's pretty bad in particular, if you ask me.

[AquaParade]

I agree that movies should be movies, because people can simply vote with their dollar, but I don't mind if Amber loses the work. She's obviously a complete sociopath. And while many actors are probably sociopaths, this one has been backed by crooked media to a larger extent.

All of the sudden, all these cancel-hungry outlets are talking about how unfair social media is being to Amber. It's just weird.
They have no issue canceling anyone else, but when there's an actual verdict from an appointed jury, it's "guys, maybe this cancel culture thing has gone too far." Maybe because she's a woman, maybe because #metoo has too much to lose, or maybe it's because the media won't eat crow.

Sure, they are right, but it's for the wrong reasons.

Not really concerned for Depp's happiness. The dude has been blessed ten times over. The media trying to control the narrative is the enemy, and Amber is their favorite instrument. It's gross and it needs to die.

Go ahead and cancel her. She won't be missed and it will be a lesson to the twitter mob and all the vile outlets that back her.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

And nobody "cancelled" Johnny Depp over accusations, let's stop pushing that retarded lie.

It is neither retarded or a lie. We're talking about the next Pirates movie and Fantastic Beasts 3 and onward, HUGE movies that either one any up and coming actor or actress would die to be a part of. He was going to make 22.5 million from the next Pirates movie and DID make 16 million from Fantastic Beasts 3, which he did not film. But you also have to remember, Fantastic Beasts is supposed to go on for more movies. So it isn't just "Johnny Depp got paid for it, he wasn't cancelled!", it's all of the future movies in the franchise he's missing out on because it's not like they'll un-Mikkelson Grindelwald now. And there's also the radioactivity of him now. Even being vindicated, studios know that he is going to be a controversial choice for any role because there will be a large portion of the populace that are Team Heard.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

All of the sudden, all these cancel-hungry outlets are talking about how unfair social media is being to Amber. It's just weird.

A lot of people are saying social media's being unfair to Depp too. Both 'sides' love their mascots, after all, they're going to try to defend their pet celebrity while slandering the other. Meanwhile, Depp and Heard are probably currently somewhere snorting cocaine together for all we know. I don't think these celebrities actually care about any of this drama. They got their paychecks, and got their publicity from the trial. Next comes the books they'll have some shmuck ghost write for them, followed by a 'career revival' in a few years. Meanwhile, the Depp and Heard stans will continue to bicker about them for years to come, acting as if they're married to them, and have a personal stake in their lives. Yikes.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It is neither retarded or a lie. We're talking about the next Pirates movie and Fantastic Beasts 3 and onward, HUGE movies that either one any up and coming actor or actress would die to be a part of.

Yeah. Any up and coming actor, sure. Depp doesn't need any of these franchises, he has enough wealth accumulated that he can live comfortably for the rest of his life without ever acting again.

Also, I think both Pirates and FB were going down the tubes anyhow, with or without Depp. The Pirates movies from 3 onward were losing a lot of public favor, same with FB2.

[Leo656]

Yeah, the last few Pirates movies were trending downward financially even before any rumors and scandalous innuendo. They probably made too many of them too fast and in turn burned people out on them. But regardless, Disney was already talking about an exit strategy to get costs down and one of those variables was Depp's outrageous salary. You're only worth $20+ million if the returns pay dividends. But the guy would rather keep dodging the IRS and shooting dead friends out of cannons that try and negotiate a more reasonable level of income, one which might in turn see him get more of those "high profile" gigs.

By that point there simply weren't gonna be any more Pirates movies rolling off the assembly line. Not when the receipts were trending down and the main star refused to accept a cut in pay. They were always going to need to either take a long break or reboot with a cheaper cast.

We'll see how the next one does with a "now vindicated" Depp making his "triumphant" return to a role that got boring and played out by the second movie. I actually predict it will do pretty well considering it's been years since the last one and whatever fatigue audiences were feeling that kept them from seeing the last two has probably dissipated. But regardless, there was no chance they were doing any more Pirates movies over the last few years, at least not at the rapid-fire pace Andrew seems to be implying. They might have at best done, like, one. But even that is no guarantee. They needed to sit on the shelf for a while, people were sick of it all. When everyone unanimously said they'd never watch any reboot, or any Depp-less Pirates movie, they decided to just shelve the franchise outright until the whole thing blew over. Which is smart.

I know Depp said on the stand that he'd never work with Disney again, but c'mon. NOTHING else he's done in almost 20 years has drawn a crowd, and he has very expensive drug and alcohol habits to maintain. I'm SO sure he's done playing a pirate, when that's the one and only role anyone pays to see him in. Another negotiating tactic. Picking his spots. He sees that not even the MCU is guaranteed to do huge numbers with every swing, anymore, and that Star Wars is wrecked as far as movies go, and so Disney is gonna need another proven franchise soon enough, at which point they'll come crawling back to him. With a big raise, most likely. Joy.

As far as Heard being a "sociopath", all well and fair but why on Earth should that matter in a cesspool such as Hollywood? Granted, people like Spacey and Singer are a different breed and the fact that by all accounts they are predators means they should probably be censured to some degree. Like, people shouldn't be paying Bryan Singer $50 million of whatever to direct a movie in which he's going to turn around and use the set as his personal candyland to pick up young boys. That, I'd say, is an example of a person who deserves to be kicked out of Hollywood, sure.

But someone like Heard? Eh, nah. There's no law against being an asshole, or even a lying narcissist. Those are personality flaws, but it's not like she's a violent criminal or a sex offender. She's a vindictive gold-digging ex, like everyone with a vagina. This is news? Jesus, go ahead and "cancel" the entire female species, then. "This woman married a rich guy for his money, treated him shabbily, exaggerated claims of mistreatment and then cheated on him! How DARE she... behave in accordance with how 99% of women behave! The absolute NERVE!"

Nah, not a good reason to sh*tcan her from the cesspool. I mean, maybe she's a bad actress, too, I've only seen her in two things (Aquaman and Justice League... maybe that's technically "three things") so I really can't say. If she's a bad actress, that should count for more than anything with regard to this kinda thing. I mean, it doesn't, but since we're always talking about society being more of a meritocracy, surely whether or not a person has the skills to perform their job means more than any personal problems a person has.

But nobody's saying they want her fired because she's a bad actress. They want her fired because she had a bad break-up with her ex who they like better (based on his TV persona). That's... well, sorry, that's nonsense. Things shouldn't work like that, ideally.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Leo656

As far as Heard being a "sociopath", all well and fair but why on Earth should that matter in a cesspool such as Hollywood? Granted, people like Spacey and Singer are a different breed and the fact that by all accounts they are predators means they should probably be censured to some degree. Like, people shouldn't be paying Bryan Singer $50 million of whatever to direct a movie in which he's going to turn around and use the set as his personal candyland to pick up young boys. That, I'd say, is an example of a person who deserves to be kicked out of Hollywood, sure.

I think what bothered me about the Spacey/Singer situations was the way the media, and everyone else at the time really, tried to just erase them, and their movies from existence. There was a lot of censorship and shaming going on back then aimed at anyone who dared bring up their names in a public space online. They're scum, I'm sure. Most celebrities are probably scum of some kind. I still don't think the art they produced should be trashed even temporarily. Then again, I am a stickler who hates things being censored and taken away. History's repeating itself now with WB removing all traces of Heard from Aquaman 2. I'd rather see movies the way they're intended to be released, and not a hacked down mess, just because the execs are afraid they'll miss out on Christmas bonuses this year.

[Leo656]

Yeah.

And I mean, what kills me about the "(______) Deserves to be Cancelled" narrative is that it's SO selective. Jimmy Page kidnapped a 13-year old girl to be his live-in sex slave, and yet "Stairway to Heaven" gets played on the radio every single day and nobody ever brings up Lori Maddox except to use as an example in cases such as this about how Rich People Get Away With Sh*t. That whole thing wasn't even a secret AS it was happening, everyone just shrugged. They STILL just shrug, if you mention it. "Well... I mean, he IS a great guitar player, though..."

I mean, I love Led Zeppelin and everything, but c'mon. And lets not forget all the Hollywood celebrities who continue to outspokenly champion Roman Polanski. If sh*t like THAT, society collectively ignores, and we let people continue to be rich and famous and keep doing the thing that made them rich and famous... should we REALLY be saying people like Amber Heard are "worse"? That's insane.

We as a society will defend literal sex offenders if we're entertained by them. But someone we find to have an irritating personality, we deem "unworthy" and send them to the fire pits never to be seen or heard from again. C'mon, what sense does that even make? That's the sh*t that kills me.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by superstaff

A lot of people are saying social media's being unfair to Depp too. Both 'sides' love their mascots, after all, they're going to try to defend their pet celebrity while slandering the other. Meanwhile, Depp and Heard are probably currently somewhere snorting cocaine together for all we know. I don't think these celebrities actually care about any of this drama. They got their paychecks, and got their publicity from the trial. Next comes the books they'll have some shmuck ghost write for them, followed by a 'career revival' in a few years. Meanwhile, the Depp and Heard stans will continue to bicker about them for years to come, acting as if they're married to them, and have a personal stake in their lives. Yikes.

No one is saying that. Social media has utterly destroyed Amber in every way and backed Johnny to a much larger extent. Not even a contest.

What people are pointing out is that the media is being unfair to Depp. They are pointing out outlets that were happy to slander Depp six years ago, but have nothing to say, now that a bunch of Amber's "evidence" has been proven to be manufactured and there is an actual real-life verdict.

I agree with the rest for the most part. Except a lot of people seem to imply that anyone discussing this is simply a "celebrity-stan" or something, which is pretty lame, if so. Like, you aren't allowed to have a stance, without being a "stan" or celebrity-obsessed. All that does is point out that a lot of people are ignorant to wider implications of this trial. It's also a huge indicator that the person speaking probably didn't watch the trial....yet feel a need to have an opinion on it.

My favorite is the people who scoff at the notion of watching the trial, because they have "better things to do", which ends up being watching 12 hours of Stranger Things, Squid Game, or whatever the current retarded Netflix show is. Unless you are spending all your time helping grandmas cross the street, tending to starving children, and cleaning up crap on the side of the road, I don't want to hear anyone scoff at the notion of spending time watching a trial. That goes double for anyone spending any time jerking off to furries and watching Netflix.

I also agree with Andrew that Depp did, in fact, lose out on future movies when the accusations came out. Sure, he was going downhill, but it's still a fact of the matter.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

No one is saying that. Social media has utterly destroyed Amber in every way and backed Johnny to a much larger extent. Not even a contest.

Bullsh**. And it's almost become politicized. Everybody posting on my FB feed in previous months about stuff like, "Found another nazi on Twitter today!" and so on, these are the ones posting in Heard's defense. I see it all day.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Bullsh**. And it's almost become politicized. Everybody posting on my FB feed in previous months about stuff like, "Found another nazi on Twitter today!" and so on, these are the ones posting in Heard's defense. I see it all day.

No, it's not ******** at all. Depp has completely won social media, despite what your facebook feed looks like.

You can find examples of anything on social media. By and large, the consensus on social media is that Depp = good, Amber = bad. Even to the extent that Amber's team is now banking on the notion of "social media caused me to lose!". I mean, it's not true, but we can see why she is saying that. She's being absolutely destroyed on social media.

You have to look for the pockets of Heard supporters.

Where does most internet discussion take place? Twitter.
Go on twitter, search "Amber Heard" and tell me what you see. You will need to actively search - hard - for a positive Amber Heard hashtag. I'm not a fan of twitter, but this is the epicenter of social media.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I also agree with Andrew that Depp did, in fact, lose out on future movies when the accusations came out. Sure, he was going downhill, but it's still a fact of the matter.

A whole whopping Two Of 'Em. A "potential" Pirates sequel that didn't get made, and the third Fantastic Beasts movie (since he apparently still got paid for the second one). The latter film only made $400 million on a $200 million budget, apparently, so if he HAD been in that one and it drew the same numbers, odds are slim he'd be asked back for the fourth anyway.

So he "lost out" on two movies at most, one of which (the Pirates sequel) was not likely to have been made during the interim years, anyway. So in truth, he lost out on a grand total of ONE (1) movie role. In a series nobody cared about to begin with.

I'm sure he could've bought a lot of wine and drugs with that $20 million, and thus he was cranky about it, but somehow, I don't think it was as tragic and heartbreaking as some people are insisting. Outside of that One Job, he kept making (bad) movies (which nobody cared about) the entire time. So, Business As Usual for him, by and large.

It's like saying he "lost out" on the chance to be The Invisible Man in that whole Universal "Dark Universe" fiasco. Despite the fact that they scrapped the entire thing for reasons that had nothing specifically to do with him or Angelina Jolie; the only relation was that Universal saw the awful returns on The Mummy and decided that Depp and Jolie would break the bank if they pursued the idea any further and actually made the movies they were supposed to make with them. But aside from that, the series wasn't gonna realistically happen anyway, so we can't say he "lost out" on that role, either. It was nothing more than a hypothetical.

People act like this whole scandal somehow irreparably damaged his career when that simply isn't true. He's been working steadily and only authentically "lost" One Gig. It's not his or my fault that only his Pirates movies ever drew a crowd in his entire career, that's all on society. "Blow" is inarguably his best movie and that thing was a financial disaster. People act like he's always been some kind of national treasure with a long list of hit movies and that Heard f*cked that all up for him; no, that's not the least bit accurate. He was a well-liked pretty boy actor who'd only ever done well-meaning flops until he found his one specific niche playing goofballs. It's not like he's "bad" (although most of his movies are, but that's not entirely his fault) but let's not pretend he's Tom Hanks or something. Before "Pirates", he was "That handsome guy who's in all the bad movies... OH, and Edward Scissorhands, that one was kind of okay." He was more famous for who he was dating than whatever movies he'd been in. He was the answer to a Trivia question thanks to his "Nightmare on Elm Street" gig. But that's about it.

Good for him for finding a late-game resurgence by leaning into being a goof. Whatever pays the bills. But the guy had nothing to stand on before "Pirates". So it kinda baffles me when people talk him up like he's some kind of megastar. He's only ever done two things anyone cares about, and in between Scissorhands and Pirates it was a decade of nothing. And after Pirates, it was STILL Nothing. That's all anyone wants to see him do, and that isn't just me saying that, just go look at his box office receipts.

So I mean, if people don't even wanna pay to see his movies... it frankly baffles me why people purport to care SO much about the guy, his career, and his personal life. It's like saying ________ is your favorite band but you don't even buy their records or go see them on tour. "I just really, really like em!"

Well geez, must not like 'em THAT much. Nah'mean?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

A whole whopping Two Of 'Em. A "potential" Pirates sequel that didn't get made, and the third Fantastic Beasts movie (since he apparently still got paid for the second one). The latter film only made $400 million on a $200 million budget

Who is to say that Depp being absent from Beasts 3 didn't impact it? Feelings about the Depp/Heard thing were at fever pitch on a cultural level when it came out, and Depp basically being asked to leave was a big story.

And "a whole whopping two of 'em." That we know of, and only so far. Scripts and movies are being conceptualized everyday. Who's to say there's not a bunch of Transcendence-level movies coming down the way with people involved that would've gone after Depp... but now wouldn't? Because why would they, now? And this particular case aside, the "Depp beats Amber Heard" has been going around since 2017. That's how long he's been radioactive, as a result of Heard saying stuff to the press. When J.K Rowling had Depp's back and kept him in Beasts 3 as filming was about to begin (before studio stepped in, of course), that was considered a super controversial thing and got a lot of backlash.

So I mean, if people don't even wanna pay to see his movies... it frankly baffles me why people purport to care SO much about the guy, his career, and his personal life. It's like saying ________ is your favorite band but you don't even buy their records or go see them on tour. "I just really, really like em!"

"I don't care about Johnny Depp personally" and "Johnny Depp has gotten screwed here." Both of these things can be possible at once.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly, it's a matter of both are assholes, both should be punished. Either drop both or hire both. But if Depp got shut out of his roles and dropped by Disney then the least they can do is drop Amber from Aquaman.

This is like two people being caught committing a crime but only one gets arrested and serves actual time while the other gets a pat on the back and a 'just don't do it again ok?'

Hire both or cancel both.

[AquaParade]

It's not about feeling bad for Depp. It's not about whether he can still buy expensive wine. I mean, for some crazies, I'm sure it is very much about that, but there are more important implications. Namely the "splash" effect this has on the culture and the level of trust we give to the media. This is a huge, glowing neon sign that proves we can't just believe accusations right off the bat, to the point of condemning the accused.

I can see how this would seem really annoying to people who think everyone invested is just cheering for their favorite celebrity. It's not.

But quite honestly, the more you become invested in any scenario like this, the more you want to see a proven rat get what's coming to them. It's just human nature. You can't listen to someone spew lies in court for hours on end and not want to see them fail. So sure, there is some schadenfreude, but it's bigger than that.

[Leo656]

The Depp verdict changes NOTHING for 99% of abuse victims of either gender. This is such a ridiculous thing to even suggest. All it does is prove that if you can hire a good enough lawyer, you can nudge things in your favor. Most people are not wealthy enough to have such a luxury.

Let some broke no-name guy in Alabama walk into court with those exact same text messages and videos as evidence, and watch any judge or jury who sees them say "Cool story, bro, still abusive behavior. 'She yelled at you first' doesn't cut it." I've known people who spent time in Actual Jail for less inciteful behavior than what Dep displayed on those videos. And yes, they did try "She yelled at me/hit me first!" as their defense; turns out, that doesn't actually matter unless you're a rich, pretty person!

So yeah, this changes nothing at all in the grand scheme of things. If you're a poor person, the rule of "You don't ever hit or yell at a woman, even if she hits or yells at you first" still reigns. Personally, I do think that rule deserves some revising, in the interest of "being fair" to all sides. But regardless of what I think, that isn't how things work. And it's not gonna change, either.

Domestic abuse can be incredibly hard to prove on either side, but "women are weaker" and so the system is designed to lean towards them as a means of protection. That's not something that can actually be changed without a whole ton of bloodletting and I don't think this one incident is going to be the thing that starts a whole wave.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Honestly, it's a matter of both are assholes, both should be punished. Either drop both or hire both. But if Depp got shut out of his roles and dropped by Disney then the least they can do is drop Amber from Aquaman.

This is like two people being caught committing a crime but only one gets arrested and serves actual time while the other gets a pat on the back and a 'just don't do it again ok?'

Hire both or cancel both.

You're divorced. Would you want to lose your job because your ex started a bunch of nasty rumors about you? In turn, would you be okay with doing that to her?

OR, should peoples' often-"problematic" personal lives and their public/professional lives be kept wholly separate so long as The Former has no measurable impact on The Latter?

I hate to ever stick up for women. But every time someone comes up with some stretch of an excuse as to why Amber Heard should never be allowed to make another movie... it all sounds a lot like "Burn The Witch!", to me. Again, we're generally fine with actual pedos and sex offenders being allowed to make movies and we just choose not to watch them. But we want a woman to forever lose her means of support because she had a fight with her ex that got dragged out into the streets for all to see. I'm not sure Jenny Fromdabloc would even lose her Wal-Mart gig over something like that.

I mean, speaking anecdotally, I've only ever spent a single day in jail but I've been take into custody and charged with a whole lotta violent misdemeanors, stuff I had to go to court over. Never lost a job over it. I guess in theory if my bosses wanted to be assholes, they could've been. NJ is an "at will" state so you can be fired for literally no reason, and yet me being arrested and accused of various things wasn't enough to make them let me go. Because "Business is Business and Personal is Personal". The fact that I could show up consistently and do the job asked of me was more important than whatever nonsense happened off the clock. That is honestly how it SHOULD work. For everyone, everywhere.

It really does kinda feel like dogpiling her because "F*ck that gold-digging slut", not gonna lie. And she absolutely is a gold-digging slut, but holy hell, that only makes her about the 87th biggest scumbag in all of Hollywood, why does something as innocuous as all that even matter?

Two Wrongs don't actually make a right, except in the case of double negatives, and Depp never appreciably lost any work at all, definitely not his entire career. Only "hypothetical" work, which means nothing. So the whole "Cancel Amber" movement just feels like... well, misogyny. I hate to even use that stupid word but that's honestly what it feels like.

Bryan Singer molested a teenage boy in the 1990s and he still got to make three X-Men movies and a Superman after that. Let's not pretend we have standards of decency, or that egregious double standards don't exist.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The Depp verdict changes NOTHING for 99% of abuse victims of either gender. This is such a ridiculous thing to even suggest. All it does is prove that if you can hire a good enough lawyer, you can nudge things in your favor. Most people are not wealthy enough to have such a luxury.

Let some broke no-name guy in Alabama walk into court with those exact same text messages and videos as evidence, and watch any judge or jury who sees them say "Cool story, bro, still abusive behavior. 'She yelled at you first' doesn't cut it." I've known people who spent time in Actual Jail for less inciteful behavior than what Dep displayed on those videos. And yes, they did try "She yelled at me/hit me first!" as their defense; turns out, that doesn't actually matter unless you're a rich, pretty person!

So yeah, this changes nothing at all in the grand scheme of things. If you're a poor person, the rule of "You don't ever hit or yell at a woman, even if she hits or yells at you first" still reigns. Personally, I do think that rule deserves some revising, in the interest of "being fair" to all sides. But regardless of what I think, that isn't how things work. And it's not gonna change, either.

Domestic abuse can be incredibly hard to prove on either side, but "women are weaker" and so the system is designed to lean towards them as a means of protection. That's not something that can actually be changed without a whole ton of bloodletting and I don't think this one incident is going to be the thing that starts a whole wave.

It changes public perception to a degree. It tells people they shouldn't be so quick to trust the media, which is hugely important in this day and age, and it also tells people that both genders can be abused. These things do have ripple effects on society. Especially because we are now constantly relying on public perception & consensus as judge.

It's important for the cover to be blown on huge media outlets twisting the narrative to fit their agendas.

It's important for there to be some push back on the idea that we should "believe women" at any cost, without question.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You're divorced. Would you want to lose your job because your ex started a bunch of nasty rumors about you? In turn, would you be okay with doing that to her?

Of course not but if she did I'd want her to lose her job over it too if I had to lose mine over false accusations.

Either way, I wouldn't want her, or Amber to get off scott free.

You been through your fair share (and it sucks), I'm sure if your reputation was ruined to the point where you'd never ever get a job again ever, you'd want the same to happen to the misses if she was the cause of it.

Blah, just like a gringo to bring up a Mexican man's divorce. You Starbucks-slurping blondes.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Of course not but if she did I'd want her to lose her job over it too if I had to lose mine over false accusations.

Either way, I wouldn't want her, or Amber to get off scott free.

You been through your fair share (and it sucks), I'm sure if your reputation was ruined to the point where you'd never ever get a job again ever, you'd want the same to happen to the misses if she was the cause of it.

Blah, just like a gringo to bring up a Mexican man's divorce. You Starbucks-slurping blondes.

Except Depp didn't provably lose any significant amount of work. Yet people still demand that Heard not only be scrubbed from the Aquaman movie, but all of Hollywood forever. "Because Fair".

He lost ONE job. In turn, she "deserves" to be nuked in retaliation? It's not like she f*cked a kid (as far as we know).

No, that's not "fairness". That's a bunch of men who still have baggage from past relationships cheering to see someone in Heard's position get "put in her place" so they in turn can feel some sort of vicarious "victory". They can't get even with "the dumb sluts" who did THEM dirty in the past, so they adopt stuff like this because it makes them feel better. Seeing ANY of "the dumb sluts" get taken down a peg is just as good as Actual Revenge.

Not trying to attack anyone personally, but it becomes pretty obvious when you pay close attention to What is being said and Who is doing the speaking. Because again, people are not calling for "fairness". They're shouting "Burn the Witch". There is nothing "fair" about any woman losing her entire career in payback for her ex losing one single piece of business. That's not even close to equitable.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Except Depp didn't provably lose any significant amount of work. Yet people still demand that Heard not only be scrubbed from the Aquaman movie, but all of Hollywood forever. "Because Fair".

He lost ONE job. In turn, she "deserves" to be nuked in retaliation? It's not like she f*cked a kid (as far as we know).

No, that's not "fairness". That's a bunch of men who still have baggage from past relationships cheering to see someone in Heard's position get "put in her place" so they in turn can feel some sort of vicarious "victory". They can't get even with "the dumb sluts" who did THEM dirty in the past, so they adopt stuff like this because it makes them feel better. Seeing ANY of "the dumb sluts" get taken down a peg is just as good as Actual Revenge.

Not trying to attack anyone personally, but it becomes pretty obvious when you pay close attention to What is being said and Who is doing the speaking. Because again, people are not calling for "fairness". They're shouting "Burn the Witch". There is nothing "fair" about any woman losing her entire career in payback for her ex losing one single piece of business. That's not even close to equitable.

That part might be true, (there's always angry misogynists waiting to dogpile a woman) luckily I never went through any of that. **** just went South is all. But isn't what people want of Amber pretty much what people wanted of Depp the moment the allegations came out? To be dropped from everything and never get work ever again? Even now after winning the trial it'll take a while because everyone knows that if you hire him the Amber Mob will now be coming after you.

It might not be fair-fair, but her losing one movie over him potentially losing everything is the equivalent of false rape accusation got the dude 10 years, it was revealed to be a hoax but the false accuser only gets 2 weeks of community service. Naw, if she was gonna send the guy away for 10 years, then she should be serving the 10 years. If Amber wanted to ruin Depp's career for good, now she has to reap what she sowed.