Star Wars Episode 8

[TigerClaw]

Apparently the movie has over 20 minutes of deleted scenes, the 1st cut was 3 hours.
http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-de...cenes-details/

[Vegita-San]

they could have EASILY have cut out 20 minutes of the final cut!

[sdp]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Spoiler:

Troll Force Ghost!Yoda was a very welcome surprise.
So we know the Jedi texts make it on the Falcon. Did Luke put them there?
Or did Rey steal them? And if so, is that why Yoda said, she already had all she was going to learn from them, and then blew up the tree?

Spoiler:

I read or saw an interview I think with the director or hamill and they mentioned it was Rey who took the texts, apparently Yoda knew this,
it was only Luke who didn't know when he burned it down.

[Vegita-San]

and anyone who STILL claims rey is not a mary sue after seeing this movie is deluding themselves.

Spoiler:

she barely got two lessons. the rest of her time she spent trailing luke and watching him milk a four breasted alien. I didn't even notice she had the texts on the ship. if yoda thought they where so un important, why even BOTHER adding that into a reshoot? They basically made luke a complete and utter failure just to prop rey up as the new jedi hope. utterly ridiculous.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

and anyone who STILL claims rey is not a mary sue after seeing this movie is deluding themselves.

At least she wasn't written as a Mary Sue within this movie.

Spoiler:

She basically gets thrown around effortlessly by Snoke, even has a bit where she goes to grab the lightsaber and it hits the back of her head. Snoke had her dead to rights until Kylo betrayed him.

(I didn't really care for her besting Luke in a duel, though...)

Her reveal as coming from no one special makes all her Mary Sue-isms of TFA that much harder to swallow, though.

[TigerClaw]

ScreenJunkies News did a video in which they discuss The Last Jedi being the most divisive Star Wars movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Krutch

At least she wasn't written as a Mary Sue within this movie.

Spoiler:

She basically gets thrown around effortlessly by Snoke, even has a bit where she goes to grab the lightsaber and it hits the back of her head. Snoke had her dead to rights until Kylo betrayed him.

(I didn't really care for her besting Luke in a duel, though...)

Her reveal as coming from no one special makes all her Mary Sue-isms of TFA that much harder to swallow, though.

Spoiler:

True. I was actually defending Rey in TFA because I was like, "Well now hold on... we don't know who she is yet. Maybe it turns out she is, like, Palpatine reincarnate, a female clone of Luke or Anakin, or maybe she was super-powerful in the Force and got her mind wiped... we just don't know yet!"

If she truly turns out to be just, "random kid, random parents," I'm fine with that (even though it's boring), but that doesn't explain her proficiency in TFA at all. There had to be something else going on there, there had to.

[Vegita-San]

and anyone who thinks women arn't being represented in movies, saw no less than three women led movie trailers.

one was a sports movie, one was something about natilee portman and machine guns. the third was a disney movie with Oprah...and I think the fourth was some android lady.

[TigerClaw]

Star Wars has always been for kids.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/...been-for-kids/

[Vegita-San]

especially if you saw that horrid commercial that ended the movie as a tacked on last shot. I mean, wth was that?

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Krutch

At least she wasn't written as a Mary Sue within this movie.

Spoiler:

She basically gets thrown around effortlessly by Snoke, even has a bit where she goes to grab the lightsaber and it hits the back of her head. Snoke had her dead to rights until Kylo betrayed him.

(I didn't really care for her besting Luke in a duel, though...)

Her reveal as coming from no one special makes all her Mary Sue-isms of TFA that much harder to swallow, though.

So far as Mary Sue goes....

Spoiler:

Sorry guys, that was my thought too, unless as Andrew pointed out, there is really more to her. A random person being that good after no training. I did not like that she bested Luke either, maybe because he was closed off but still, Jedi master vs new pupil.
At least she wasn't a match for Snoke.... though he is now gone anyway.

I'll read the Star Wars being for kids article in a bit, I always saw Star Wars as for all ages, also, the new movies (inc prequels) are cert 12 (pg13) ... even though the toys are marketed from a young age....same as the superhero movies I suppose.

[sdp]

Spoiler:

She didn't even really train at all with Luke in the movie, though I guess they were in a tough spot, if they did train then it would parallel ESB a little too much.

I don't mind Rey being "that" good, it's cheap writing but whatever. Her not having any real parents? In normal circumstances it would've been fine but when you build up in your marketing "Who IS this girl?" and you don't deliver then yeah we have the right to complain.

[Shark_Blade]

Star Wars is better off under one mastermind (George Lucas) controlling it, vetting quality assurance. Now it's spiraling out of control.

Spoiler:

How could a newbie like Rey being too powerful, even more than a trained ex-Jedi (Kylo), or even her own master (legendary Luke Skywalker)???

Heck why would Luke tried to kill his own family/blood - his nephew, his very own twin sister's son! when in Return of the Jedi, Luke sacrificed himself to meet his own father because despite Vader being evil he still believe there's good in him. Both Vader and Ben are his family, you telling me he suddenly doesn't believe there's any good in Ben at all?? No wonder Mark Hamill said he disagreed with the director's vision. It all made sense now.

And there's so much other issues to cover. Luke's death is pretty embarrassing, he died because of exhaustion due to making that hologram across the galaxy where instead he could have fought Kylo Ren heroically. I can't even..what was the point of that hologram again? Pointless.

I feel like people in charge of making this film series doesn't really understand the full lore nor they even care. Screw it, it's just a milking cow at this point with no quality control sadly.

[newfan]

I thought the same thing (SDP)

Spoiler:

It would have been better to have Luke train her and then by the next movie she's done her training and he could die then... (would have made more sense and given Luke a chance to do something more before dying) but yes, that would be a repeat.

As for the build up of who this girls is, yes (though just maybe they are saving something), the same with Snoke too... who is this dark all powerful being? where did he come from? where was he when Palpataine and Vader were ruling... oh, never mind.....

Er, Sharkblade, a few may still not have seen and are looking at the thread?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

Spoiler:

She didn't even really train at all with Luke in the movie, though I guess they were in a tough spot, if they did train then it would parallel ESB a little too much.

Spoiler:

True. He didn't even train her how to fight with a lightsaber. She was just sort of training herself and then he walked out and observed her continuing to train herself... which is weird.

Spoiler:

I don't mind Rey being "that" good, it's cheap writing but whatever. Her not having any real parents? In normal circumstances it would've been fine but when you build up in your marketing "Who IS this girl?" and you don't deliver then yeah we have the right to complain.

Spoiler:

If TFA had had her super painfully pick up that lightsaber, then getting her ass handed to her by Kylo, and then her getting the scar and not Kylo... her parents being nobodies would work fine. We can have a nice arc with her learning the Force and how to be a Jedi Knight from this person or that person. But starting with what they did in TFA? They've set it up in such a way that there has to be more to it than just "random person, random parents," unless everything we've known about Star Wars is out the window.

Even putting aside the prequels and everything that taught us about "You need to start your training when you're like 5 or you're not gonna be sh**!" and all, Luke in 5 had way more trouble than Rey in drawing that lightsaber to him, and that was after being trained by a Jedi Master. Let alone winning lightsaber fights by people with training off the bat.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Luke's death is pretty embarrassing, he died because of exhaustion due to making that hologram across the galaxy where instead he could have fought Kylo Ren heroically. I can't even..what was the point of that hologram again? Pointless.

I feel like people in charge of making this film series doesn't really understand the full lore nor they even care. Screw it, it's just a milking cow at this point with no quality control sadly.

Spoiler:

It's not an excuse, but the "Full-on Force Projection Will Kill You!" thing was telegraphed early into the movie. I think it was the first time Kylo and Rey interact via a limited version of that. Kylo remarks that he can only see her, not her surroundings... that it's good, because otherwise more than that "would kill you." Right then and there, I knew how Luke was going to die (I mean, I knew how he'd die, but now I knew specifically the reason therein).

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I feel like people in charge of making this film series doesn't really understand the full lore nor they even care. Screw it, it's just a milking cow at this point with no quality control sadly.

yep.

the head of lucas film only cares about one thing now, and it ain't star wars.

[AT-Man]

Where the f*ck is the new Half in the Bag???!!!?!? I'm literally dying.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I feel like people in charge of making this film series doesn't really understand the full lore nor they even care. Screw it, it's just a milking cow at this point with no quality control sadly.

As symbolized by that scene with the sloth... P U R E K I N O.

[plastroncafe]

There's something that seems to be a bit overlooked in this discussion of Rey: She already knew how to fight. We see her defend herself with a staff. And when she does finally decide to wield the lightsaber in TFA, she's using it like you would a staff.

Luke had training with a blaster, and that's about it.
We see him train with it that one time while traveling in the Falcon with Obi Wan.

Where the former had to live by her own, and by her wits, the latter had a family to take care of him.

And that's not even getting to the crap Anakin pulled off.
*cough*virginbirth*cough*

But they're Skywalkers! you say.
So what? Most of the original Jedi weren't Skywalkers, but rather talented kids that were taken from their families so that their raw power could be honed by the Jedi.

I just don't see this as being any different as what was canon compliant prior to the restart.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Star Wars has always been for kids.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/...been-for-kids/

Idk... I take it the original trilogy was more for teenage sci fi geeks back when it hit theaters. I don't remember comedic moments for kids, at least not in the very first one. And Darth Vader was definitely not some funny goofy children's movie villain.