New Ep Discussion: "Grudge Match" - Page 5

*XERO* · 10-25-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Aska_Badoura

Masked Ninja! I love that drawing Ben has in his signature!

I'd compliment you, Ben, but you didn't draw it, so thhpppt.

Blblblbl, back to you. Give me a break, AB.

Ve-sama was cute, but I'm taking precaution with him...

cormano · 10-25-2005, 01:58 PM

i was pleasantly surprised by this episode after being let down last week.

*Raph's Girl* · 10-25-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aska_Badoura

LOL, the Eye of Odin, it wasn't. :p

Eye of Odin??? Nah.. more Eye of Sarnath...

*heretic888* · 10-25-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Turtle Nincompoop

And I'm starting to recognize Mikey as one of the most serious fighters among the bunch. It's strange how Mikey is the most off-focused among his brothers, yet he is close to the best fighter, among his brothers. Him beating Kluh TWICE, him defeating a twisted version of Master Splinter in an alternate universe, who just so happens to have superpowers.... Mikey is really starting to glow as the impressive fighter.

Not that surprising, really.

Like in the original TMNT comic series, Mike has bested Raph not once, but twice, in one-on-one confrontations. In the TMNT RPG published by Palladium Books, Mike is described as the "most talented" fighter of the four (the word "phenomenal" being used to describe him in relation to the others), with a Physical Prowess score head-and-shoulders above the others (Leo, having the second highest, was a full 4 points below him). The original description of the TMNT on the FoxBox website (shortly before the series began airing) describes Mike in almost identical words, as being the "most athletically gifted" of the four brothers, with a "natural talent" in the martial arts.

People really shouldn't collapse personality traits with physical capability. They's totally different manimals.

Laterz.

*R-iZZy* · 10-25-2005, 05:16 PM

^ Even if he is the most "physically talented", he is the most off-focused among the bunch. Having very little focus plays a huge part in how you perform. Are you scouting your opponents moves? Are you calculating them correctly so that you could counter the attack? Are you using your environment as an advantage, or can you use your environment as an advantage? In the new series, he lacks in the focus department the most among his brothers.

And I'm not mixing his personality in with his physical capabilities... I'm mixing it in with his physical performance. To be able to balance on bambu sticks shows a lot for a person's (or turtle's) capabilities, and to be able to do that while being goofy shows that your weakness doesn't effect your ability to balance. So I'm not mixing his personality in with his capabilities. His weakness, however, can hurt him in combat. That shows that his personality can actually effect how he performs in combat.

*heretic888* · 10-25-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Turtle Nincompoop

^ Even if he is the most "physically talented", he is the most off-focused among the bunch. Having very little focus plays a huge part in how you perform. Are you scouting your opponents moves? Are you calculating them correctly so that you could counter the attack? Are you using your environment as an advantage, or can you use your environment as an advantage? In the new series, he lacks in the focus department the most among his brothers.

And I'm not mixing his personality in with his physical capabilities... I'm mixing it in with his physical performance. To be able to balance on bambu sticks shows a lot for a person's (or turtle's) capabilities, and to be able to do that while being goofy shows that your weakness doesn't effect your ability to balance. So I'm not mixing his personality in with his capabilities. His weakness, however, can hurt him in combat. That shows that his personality can actually effect how he performs in combat.

Nah, I'm gonna have to give the Most Unfocused title to Raphael. That's precisely why Mike was able to take him both in sparring and in the Battle Nexus matchups. The dude just couldn't keep his cool.

Don't collapse "focused" and "serious" here, either. Being overtly serious is a detriment in budo, not a benefit.

Also, and I don't mean to be rude here, but mushin has a lot more to do with success in a violent confrontation than "focusing" or "scouting".

Laterz.

*VaughnMichael* · 10-25-2005, 06:47 PM

It was an ok episode...But I was quite a bit dissapointed...and it was a bit boring......I'm actully starting to like raph more now...
Man was splinter cracking me up ...love when he acts like a jerk lol.
I didn't like the other characters...and Ultimate Dymao(sp) didn't seem like himself still......
Only moment I really liked was when Leo met the young Ninja..very cute
Also liked when Mike kicked that guys ass when he was about dead...very nice!
I still didn't really care for it all though.....I was really into the rat king and next weeks episode which I already saw cause of the dvd...
-Putrescent

~~Dan~~ · 10-26-2005, 01:30 AM

OMG Leonardo Mystic and Ryona are hilarious they talk like Leonardo is real
"I know him"

*Jephael* · 10-26-2005, 06:40 AM

I liked how Splinter handled Mikey's behavior in the beginning of the ep, because I think in the end it finally got through to him just how obnoxious he had become.

You think Raph would learn to quit being such a sore loser by now. He's becoming a bad influence to Donatello in that respect. Usually Don's the optimistic one of the bunch, therefore he sides with Mike, but clearly he's got his own issues.

*Masked Ninja* · 10-26-2005, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

You think Raph would learn to quit being such a sore loser by now. He's becoming a bad influence to Donatello in that respect. Usually Don's the optimistic one of the bunch, therefore he sides with Mike, but clearly he's got his own issues.

That was kinda weird to see Don do that. But perhaps it's a sign of just how annoying Mikey had been with this whole Champion thing. If it's enough to cheese Don off...

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Originally Posted by Dan

OMG Leonardo Mystic and Ryona are hilarious they talk like Leonardo is real
"I know him"

I'ma jump on you before someone else does it meaner and angrier.

What it boils down to is personality. They know Leo isn't "real," but they feel very strongly about the personality and the way it's portrayed. Obviously they can identify with what Leo is going through and has gone through in the past, and are using those experiences to try to explain his shift in mood.

For example: My personality type is quite a bit like Leo (with some Mikey thrown in) so I can understand why he does a lot of stuff. This new attitude is quite beyond me because I don't tend to stew that bad. Of course, nothing that horrible has ever happened to me before, so... *shrug* So I like to talk about his actions based on what I'd probably do. LM and Ryona were talking about thier own experiences and connecting them back to how Leo may be feeling. However in this case... it got a bit personal. Happens sometimes when you're connecting to your own painful emotions.

So be careful when you dismiss it as "talking like Leonardo is real." It's a little bit deeper than that, and probably not an intelligent thing to say when the people you're talking about are already worked up.

(no offense to you guys, that is

)

**Machias Banshee** · 10-26-2005, 11:08 AM

Since I"m getting sick of the childishness of some of the members and I want to keep my thread Flame free, I'll have to ask that we avoid the Discussion of Leo and personal attachments thereof.

Discuss the ep as you please, but Anymore condescendence or arguing (like we've had) will be dealt with by ME. Harshly. Thank you.

*Masked Ninja* · 10-26-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Since I"m getting sick of the childishness of some of the members and I want to keep my thread Flame free, I'll have to ask that we avoid the Discussion of Leo and personal attachments thereof.

Discuss the ep as you please, but Anymore condescendence or arguing will be dealt with by ME. Harshly. Thank you.

I'm with ya. *salutes* (was trying to avoid a nasty reply by one of the mentioned parties by quickly putting in a [hopefully] reasonable one. My apologies.)

I'll just repeat that the animation in the episode was amazing. Can't wait to see it again. The fights, the... yeah. It just keeps getting better as we go!

**Machias Banshee** · 10-26-2005, 12:40 PM

Don't worry hun, I"m not upset with you...

I just want EVERYone to be able to come to the thread without worrying about their bloodpressure..

But yes, the animation in this episode was aSTOUNDing.. I"m hoping we get more of this quality in the future eps.

*The Stryker* · 10-26-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

I just want EVERYone to be able to come to the thread without worrying about their bloodpressure...

*Holds Chest* ACK! BAGH!!

I liked this episode more the second time around...but i still don't get the whole UN thing, I really gotta catch up on the turtles.

**Jester** · 10-26-2005, 08:06 PM

Yeah, you'd really have to watch the Real world episodes....

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10-25-2005, 01:58 PM	#82
cormano Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 225	i was pleasantly surprised by this episode after being let down last week. __________________

10-25-2005, 05:16 PM	#85
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	^ Even if he is the most "physically talented", he is the most off-focused among the bunch. Having very little focus plays a huge part in how you perform. Are you scouting your opponents moves? Are you calculating them correctly so that you could counter the attack? Are you using your environment as an advantage, or can you use your environment as an advantage? In the new series, he lacks in the focus department the most among his brothers. And I'm not mixing his personality in with his physical capabilities... I'm mixing it in with his physical performance. To be able to balance on bambu sticks shows a lot for a person's (or turtle's) capabilities, and to be able to do that while being goofy shows that your weakness doesn't effect your ability to balance. So I'm not mixing his personality in with his capabilities. His weakness, however, can hurt him in combat. That shows that his personality can actually effect how he performs in combat. __________________

10-26-2005, 06:40 AM	#89
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I liked how Splinter handled Mikey's behavior in the beginning of the ep, because I think in the end it finally got through to him just how obnoxious he had become. You think Raph would learn to quit being such a sore loser by now. He's becoming a bad influence to Donatello in that respect. Usually Don's the optimistic one of the bunch, therefore he sides with Mike, but clearly he's got his own issues. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

10-26-2005, 08:06 PM	#95
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,295	Yeah, you'd really have to watch the Real world episodes.... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-25-2005, 06:47 PM	#87
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	It was an ok episode...But I was quite a bit dissapointed...and it was a bit boring......I'm actully starting to like raph more now... Man was splinter cracking me up ...love when he acts like a jerk lol. I didn't like the other characters...and Ultimate Dymao(sp) didn't seem like himself still...... Only moment I really liked was when Leo met the young Ninja..very cute Also liked when Mike kicked that guys ass when he was about dead...very nice! I still didn't really care for it all though.....I was really into the rat king and next weeks episode which I already saw cause of the dvd... -Putrescent

10-26-2005, 01:30 AM	#88
~~Dan~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 296	OMG Leonardo Mystic and Ryona are hilarious they talk like Leonardo is real "I know him"

10-26-2005, 11:08 AM	#91
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Since I"m getting sick of the childishness of some of the members and I want to keep my thread Flame free, I'll have to ask that we avoid the Discussion of Leo and personal attachments thereof. Discuss the ep as you please, but Anymore condescendence or arguing (like we've had) will be dealt with by ME. Harshly. Thank you.

10-26-2005, 12:40 PM	#93
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Don't worry hun, I"m not upset with you... I just want EVERYone to be able to come to the thread without worrying about their bloodpressure.. But yes, the animation in this episode was aSTOUNDing.. I"m hoping we get more of this quality in the future eps.