Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer - Please use spoiler-tags - Page 5

*Dr. Doom* · 06-19-2007, 08:20 AM

There was only one, blatantly obvious reason I was interested in seeing it. I was curious whether or not it was enough of an improvement from the last film to bother. Based on the fact that you vdon't see Doom but for a split second in any of the trailers or commercials, and the fact that nobody's even mentioned him yet, I'd guess that I should stay away. Honestly, I'd sit through an awful movie if Doom was the only redeeming quality.

*Buslady* · 06-19-2007, 08:45 AM

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You want to see someone do better? How about I name ONE episode of the 1990's series second season that does better under budget?

"Beyond A Distant Star"

I despised the first movie, it was a commercilised satire on comic heroes,

and all these other Marvel and DC based movies aren't? they're all there to make money no matter how good or bad they are, they'll make a buck.

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sadly the one thing Hollywood never seem to think about is the real core of the team. There a family, but in Hollywood and mindless popcorn audiences, "family"=comedy. Yes, The Thing and The Torch have fights, yes Reed and Sue have "married life" arguments, but there's also the social drama they have in the comics, the raising of a child, two now, the day to day operations of being a public, and the only PUBLIC, supehero team in New York affecting their lives on a daily basis, it's not all pomp and circumstance.

The original 1990s series made the same mistake, the first season tried looking at the FF as public superheroes, it was petty, unreallistic, and groan-inducing lines and fighting a LANDLORD over their property. The second season decided to ignore the public aspect and focused on the internal family problems, the adolescense of Johnny Storm, the frustration a domesticated Sue had, The Thing and Alicia Masters relationship deepening etc. Heck, watch the Silver Surfer series or the Galactus episodes of the 90's series second season to see how a REAL FF movie could be handled

FF 2 had no story, FF 2 felt like the first half of a longer movie that never left the middle act, and based half of it's plot on a storyline that the 1990's series had to reuse TWICE to get right. Is it better than the first? Yes, but it still spits on the legacy of the Fantastic Four with dull acting, abysmal dialouge, and commercial products, and the continuous beleif the team should be played for laughs due to the "family" dynamic.

Wow the 1990s series was so popular i didn't even know it existed.

*Scandia* · 06-19-2007, 10:20 AM

For some reason, I have liked all versions of the Fantastic Four. Except the one where the stupid little robot replaced Johnny. The 1990s one was good- what few episodes I saw of it. The movies have been good so far. The original 60s one was good before the stupid switch. And the few comics I have read of them have been good as well.

*ZariusTwo* · 06-19-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Buslady

and all these other Marvel and DC based movies aren't? :

There's small product placement in all of them, but none of them did it as blatantly as FF and Spider-Man, and the former did it WITHOUT substance

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For some reason, I have liked all versions of the Fantastic Four. Except the one where the stupid little robot replaced Johnny. The 1990s one was good- what few episodes I saw of it.

Which season? Because if you honestly liked what is largely considered the most abysmal series of ANY Marvel cartoon (season one), your tastes suck. Plain and simple.

*Buslady* · 06-19-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There's small product placement in all of them, but none of them did it as blatantly as FF and Spider-Man, and the former did it WITHOUT substance

Sorry I was talking about the blatant product placement plus all the products out there that they stick in your face to buy. The Spinderman toys, bedding, stationary, decor.....this kinda stuff I thought you were also including

Every superhero movie has alla this stuff, it's all to make a buck.

I like to think those involved with making the actual film, are in it first for the experience and fun second for the pay. I'd make a terrible actress. I'd do it for fun.

*DrSpengler* · 06-19-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

There was only one, blatantly obvious reason I was interested in seeing it. I was curious whether or not it was enough of an improvement from the last film to bother. Based on the fact that you vdon't see Doom but for a split second in any of the trailers or commercials, and the fact that nobody's even mentioned him yet, I'd guess that I should stay away. Honestly, I'd sit through an awful movie if Doom was the only redeeming quality.

Well, I covered my thoughts on their version of Doom in my review I linked to. He's just as bad as he was in the first flick, only now he has more goofy Silver Age one-liners ("Cum 'n git it, RICHAAAAAARDS!" and possibly the worst, "Let's go for a SPIN!" after creating a tornado with the Power Cosmic).

*Dr. Doom* · 06-19-2007, 06:28 PM

Blech. Thanks.

*Revan* · 06-20-2007, 12:17 AM

Didn't you at least think it was a little cool when

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vondoom is such a great baddie. I cringe every time I see his character onscreen... the mark of a great villian.

*ZariusTwo* · 06-20-2007, 03:07 AM

I cringe every time I see him onscreen because he's treated like s*it in the movie.

*Scandia* · 06-20-2007, 05:59 AM

I don't remember which season it was. I remember watching a couple episodes. In one of them, Reed embraces Sue and wraps his arms around her several times being the Mr. Fantastic he is. This was back in 1994 or so. I do not remember many details.

*ToTheNines* · 06-20-2007, 10:39 PM

Do you guys remember that interview with Julian McMahon saying that Doom is gonna be more like his comic book self? What a lie, he just gets corny one-liners. Also, the voice in my head for Doom when I read FF comics is nothing like that (i'm sure this applies to all).

**Barkworm** · 07-06-2007, 03:41 AM

I saw it last week, I thought it was a fun movie. I didn't expect anything more from it. Galactus was a bummer though and Jessica Alba is still the worst actress on the planet.

*Mr. Snackpants* · 07-08-2007, 10:31 PM

So I can't believe I just watched this whole movie. The first was was pretty awful and this was even worse.

**Barkworm** · 07-09-2007, 02:32 AM

I don't know, it probably helps that I stopped reading Superhero comics years ago but I just don't expect every comic movie to be all dark and serious, in fact most of those serious comc book adaptations don't work for me. I mean, I don't even think that the FF movies are good, I just like the fact that they're so trashy.

06-19-2007, 08:20 AM	#81
Dr. Doom Allons-y! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Castle Doom Posts: 4,535	There was only one, blatantly obvious reason I was interested in seeing it. I was curious whether or not it was enough of an improvement from the last film to bother. Based on the fact that you vdon't see Doom but for a split second in any of the trailers or commercials, and the fact that nobody's even mentioned him yet, I'd guess that I should stay away. Honestly, I'd sit through an awful movie if Doom was the only redeeming quality. __________________ I love you, Pickle.

06-19-2007, 10:20 AM	#83
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	For some reason, I have liked all versions of the Fantastic Four. Except the one where the stupid little robot replaced Johnny. The 1990s one was good- what few episodes I saw of it. The movies have been good so far. The original 60s one was good before the stupid switch. And the few comics I have read of them have been good as well. __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!

06-19-2007, 06:28 PM	#87
Dr. Doom Allons-y! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Castle Doom Posts: 4,535	Blech. Thanks. __________________ I love you, Pickle.

06-20-2007, 12:17 AM	#88
Revan Han Shot First Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paper Street Soap Company Posts: 3,687	Didn't you at least think it was a little cool when Spoiler: Jonny inherited the team's powers and faught Doom in midair. I was loving that end sequence. vondoom is such a great baddie. I cringe every time I see his character onscreen... the mark of a great villian. __________________

06-20-2007, 03:07 AM	#89
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,494	I cringe every time I see him onscreen because he's treated like sit in the movie. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue* Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

06-20-2007, 05:59 AM	#90
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	I don't remember which season it was. I remember watching a couple episodes. In one of them, Reed embraces Sue and wraps his arms around her several times being the Mr. Fantastic he is. This was back in 1994 or so. I do not remember many details. __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!

06-20-2007, 10:39 PM	#91
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,366	Do you guys remember that interview with Julian McMahon saying that Doom is gonna be more like his comic book self? What a lie, he just gets corny one-liners. Also, the voice in my head for Doom when I read FF comics is nothing like that (i'm sure this applies to all).

07-06-2007, 03:41 AM	#92
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,758	I saw it last week, I thought it was a fun movie. I didn't expect anything more from it. Galactus was a bummer though and Jessica Alba is still the worst actress on the planet. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

07-08-2007, 10:31 PM	#93
Mr. Snackpants Keep cool my babies! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mount Pleasant Posts: 2,239	So I can't believe I just watched this whole movie. The first was was pretty awful and this was even worse.

07-09-2007, 02:32 AM	#94
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,758	I don't know, it probably helps that I stopped reading Superhero comics years ago but I just don't expect every comic movie to be all dark and serious, in fact most of those serious comc book adaptations don't work for me. I mean, I don't even think that the FF movies are good, I just like the fact that they're so trashy. __________________ Make ****, not kill!