Official Episode Discussion: "SuperQuest"

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Jester

How does Hun being an uber-gamer make for a "Character destroying revelation" I laughed.

Case in point.

It doesnt fit the character...the show isnt meant to laugh at itself, that's what the original series did, this isnt the original series, despite all efforts to make it otherwise lately

[Jester]

Why can't the new series occasionally laugh at itself? It has before.

[ZariusTwo]

Not in this fashion

[FlawedCoil82]

And not this often. In the first 5 seasons, most of the episodes were great, with only a few bum episodes in each season, whereas this season is 90% bum episodes and only 10% decent ones. Not to mention I don't (nor have I ever) watched TMNT to get my laughs. I watch it to see characters I find interesting engaging in great looking fight scenes and well written stories. 2K3 had both. FF kept some of the decent fighting but lost the good stories. BTTS still doesn't have a good story and now has taken away the good fights as well (save for the first confrontation with Cyber Shredder). There isn't much left to make it still worth watching. Again, I am going to watch next weekends episode to give it another chance to change my mind. If it doesn't then I believe I am done with this series (unless they ever come to their senses and can make it even halfway as good as 2K3 episodes again).

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Case in point.

It doesnt fit the character...the show isnt meant to laugh at itself, that's what the original series did, this isnt the original series, despite all efforts to make it otherwise lately

I have noticed this season, they're trying to make the move to Hun being pathetic. I mean, dude is p**s pants afraid of Shredder now. Plus, crippling out of character moments like that are pretty damn funny. I mean, I was thinking... "Ohh! It's Casey Jones or something." And that seemed expected. This didn't. Of course, it's something you only laugh at once.

But I get what you mean. TMNT 2k3 took itself too seriously, and FF and the unfortunate cyberhalf half of BTTS (Which I swear is culled from unused plots from FF and sample scripts of TMNT Cyberworld) had characters that took themselves seriously in less than serious situations, and it wasn't a good fit. I could see half the stuff working a lot better if Raph was the sarcastic jerk and Mikey was just the slowish surfer dude. Raph turning into a frog? Prime time fun for Sarcastic 1980's Raph. All I got out of frustrated soul Raph as a frog was "I hate Video Games," and "This situation makes me Grouchy."

I think the problem is that they started out on such a strong note. It was Darker and a little more serious, almost like 2k3 with some of the jokes leftover from FF (The turtles abusing Serling for example). And after the fourth episode, we either saw wasted concepts or... well, stuff like this that takes it from Kid's show to Kiddy show. I( have faith they'll pull something better off near the end... but I can only say this...

FF was written like they were going to have 52 episode, and they only produced 26.... BTTS is written like it's going to have 26 episodes, but they KNOW they only have 13.

And I have to ask a question... would people have let this sort of thing slide if there was going to be another season after this? I mean, we all know this could very well be the end of the line (for reasons, I'm not saying... don't want to speculate anything), and we built it up that this would be back to 2k3, and were disappointed it was only 25% true. If we were going to have more Turtles after this season, would we care we've had a bunch of dumb episodes lately?

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Tomoshibi Amatsu

Honestly I think the reason I like Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers is BECAUSE I don't compare it to the past five seasons.

After all at the end of the Ninja Tribunal arc I felt that it was "the end." Sure FF and BTTS follow the continuity but they're completely different shows compared to the first five seasons. So I don't think there's a reason to compare them at all. In all honesty it seems that a lot of the enjoyment for FF and BTTS is lost because people are saying they aren't as serious and dark as the past seasons were. If that's the case then forget the first five seasons and take FF and BTTS as they are. A new direction that while connected to the main series is essentially more of a continuation of an already wrapped up series.

Cause honestly if you don't think there was a happily ever after ending at the end of the whole ninja tribunal ordeal then you're nuts. So just look at FF and BTTS seperately from the first five seasons. Chances are you'll probably change your mind about them, and if not then I don't really know what to tell you then.

True wisdom... I've always thought of Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers as sequel series. Each of them are continuations but also redirections in their own right. Perhaps I'll quit thinking so when I get to those episodes of my Batman: TAS set ($56 @ Deep Discount cuz I was never fond enough of Batman to pay much to fill that hole in my DCAU collection), but I think of the TMNT rebranded eps as being comparitive to the rebranded Batman eps that were more pop-cartoony, and less stylistically unique.

Originally Posted by Jester

How does Hun being an uber-gamer make for a "Character destroying revelation" I laughed.

I agree, BttS isn't any better than >>, both seasons have thei hits and misses and will never really stack up with the great episodes from the first 4 seasons, but like others have said, I've never really hated anything the entire 2k3 series has done, including BttS and >>, just liked them less.

Ditto. As far as the Hun thing, maybe it was just me, but Peanut immediately came to mind. There's your proof that character has not been destroyed.

[NameGoesHere1066]

oh let the fractions be formed!!!

[Leonardo19]

I missed this episode. Does anyone know where I can watch it at?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[ToTheNines]

This episode has ripped BTTS out of cannon, just for the Hun thing. I'd also venture to say that this is the worst episode in TMNT history... worse than any thing from "Ninja Tribunal", "The Next Mutation" or seasons 4-6 of the OT.

[kerfootw]

I missed this episode. Does anyone know where I can watch it at?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Should be up on Youtube by now.

[Aneras713]

Originally Posted by kerfootw

Should be up on Youtube by now.

Nope, nothing. I guess a recent wave of deleting accounts that posted new TMNT episodes has made a lot of people nervous. Guess we'll just have to wait till 4Kids puts it on their website.

[kerfootw]

Well, we'll have to wait until either Youtube, 4Kids.com, or tmnt-files have it.

[Drtooth]

Trust me... you ain't missin' nothin'.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Trust me... you ain't missin' nothin'.

Which means they're missing something.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Originally Posted by The S

Which means they're missing something.

Hooray for double negatives!

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

This episode has ripped BTTS out of cannon, just for the Hun thing. I'd also venture to say that this is the worst episode in TMNT history... worse than any thing from "Ninja Tribunal", "The Next Mutation" or seasons 4-6 of the OT.

Woah. That's quite a declaration. Surely it's the worst?...

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Kunoichi_Haruko

Woah. That's quite a declaration. Surely it's the worst?...

Yep, I'm gonna have to Agree it's The worst if not one of thee worst!

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Yep, I'm gonna have to Agree it's The worst if not one of thee worst!

Now that, no one will ever convince me of. It's one of my least favorites, based almost solely on my hatred for online RPGs and people who play them, but there have been much more incompetently written episodes. I dare someone to defend, say, "Donatello's Badd Time" (original series, season five) over this episode.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

Originally Posted by gobo

True wisdom... I've always thought of Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers as sequel series. Each of them are continuations but also redirections in their own right. Perhaps I'll quit thinking so when I get to those episodes of my Batman: TAS set ($56 @ Deep Discount cuz I was never fond enough of Batman to pay much to fill that hole in my DCAU collection), but I think of the TMNT rebranded eps as being comparitive to the rebranded Batman eps that were more pop-cartoony, and less stylistically unique.

Ditto. As far as the Hun thing, maybe it was just me, but Peanut immediately came to mind. There's your proof that character has not been destroyed.

Exactly. The fact that TMNT now has a tagline such as FF and BTTS. Not to mention how some elements from the first five seasons such as the inner monologues before the theme song, putting in more humor, etc. Makes me feel that they are sequel series.

After all once Tengu Shredder was defeated the series could have pretty much ended there. While FF and BTTS do connect to 2k3 I don't really consider them part of 2k3 I guess is what I'm saying. So I have no reason to compare those two series to the 2k3 as a whole. Taking FF and BTTS as sequel series instead of saying they're part of 2k3 I actually find myself enjoying the humor. Not to mention watching the turtles take on new villains and have lots of crazy new adventures.

For the record I did find Hun's supposedly character destroying moment funny... I mean how could I not?

[Sage Ninja]

After all once Tengu Shredder was defeated the series could have pretty much ended there. While FF and BTTS do connect to 2k3 I don't really consider them part of 2k3 I guess is what I'm saying. So I have no reason to compare those two series to the 2k3 as a whole. Taking FF and BTTS as sequel series instead of saying they're part of 2k3 I actually find myself enjoying the humor. Not to mention watching the turtles take on new villains and have lots of crazy new adventures.

I think that is the only way to enjoy BTTS is to not compare it seasons one through four, because you are going to be dissapointed.

I dare someone to defend, say, "Donatello's Badd Time" (original series, season five) over this episode.

that episode might have been really horriable but it did have the deep hidden gem of the a bad guy actually getting ahold of Donatello's van and using it against him and the turtles. Seeing Donatello having to out manurver his own superior inventions was an unexpected treat.

Think about it the turtles are always tripping the bad guys up with these sophisticated high tech inventions that they don't have a prayer of out manurvering, and now the shoe is on the other foot and they have to go up against the inventions that have given them the edge over the bad guy of the day. It was also a good humbling episode for Donatello to have these low life hill billies handing him his ass with his own inventions.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Cipher

I dare someone to defend, say, "Donatello's Badd Time" (original series, season five) over this episode.

I <3 Rednecks!

Well, every episode of Ninja Tribunal was better than this...

The Next Mutation wasn't really this boring, just no effort was put into making it look good...

From the OT, only the Turtle Terminator and mabey Funny, They Shrunk Michelangelo could be considered worse than this...