Rumor Control - Page 5

**Kali** · 04-01-2003, 07:45 PM

Actually, fulfilling requests to get people to back off would have to opposite effect. They would see that you're willing to compromise, and hit you up for more requests.

And it's true that many artists can be easily swayed by money, however, there are still a few of us who would stick to our guns. I'm just about as stubborn as Mr. Laird when it comes to my creations and it would take a pretty big paycheck, as in "here's the cash" not "we think it'll work", to make me make a huge change in my creations that I don't want to make.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-01-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kali

Actually, fulfilling requests to get people to back off would have to opposite effect. They would see that you're willing to compromise, and hit you up for more requests.

And it's true that many artists can be easily swayed by money, however, there are still a few of us who would stick to our guns. I'm just about as stubborn as Mr. Laird when it comes to my creations and it would take a pretty big paycheck, as in "here's the cash" not "we think it'll work", to make me make a huge change in my creations that I don't want to make.

Right On! You took the words right out of my mouth Kali! I wouldn't change my comics just for money either (well, I might tone down the gore in "WhitesheLL", but not just for money, and no story changes!). A true artist believes in "Art for Art's sake", and Laird seems to be taking his art quite seriously.

Apple Cat · 04-01-2003, 09:05 PM

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**Karpo_007** · 04-01-2003, 11:47 PM

Yeah, and since most of the fans did, and do still want a show based on Mirage, it will never happen. Let the caracters rest in peace.

**HorseTechie** · 04-02-2003, 10:28 AM

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krang bebop and rocksteady should return(yes i know none of you think they will, i got it) jus to enhance the comedy of this show, sure every once in a while mike will make a stupid crack, but his character is basically raph from the old show, this new toon needs to lighten up

Old show Raph = new show Mike

I just don't see it.

I do! Mikey was orginally the funny one, not the surfer-wanna-be! They just made Raph the jokester in the old show, since they thought his moody temper would not fly for the parents.

But I still think Raph is plenty sarcastic with the right amount of sly humor in the new show... and this coming from someone who ALSO likes the stand-up comedian also known as Raph in the old show.

Donatello · 04-02-2003, 12:39 PM

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Yes, but it will never happen. Hence "keep dreaming".

It will happen, if ratings slack off and Laird needs to start drawing in the old cartoon fans as well to keep the show afloat. Money can have a powerful influence, on people who consider themselves artists.

i must resent that, laird has kept his artistic integrity despite his fortune. tmnt keeps it's roots in the new comic, and i'm sure he'd abolish the new show before turning it into the old oone. THEY ARE TWO COMNPLETELY DIFFERENT SHOWS!!!!!!

jeez how many times has that been said. bebop, rocksteady, krang and the technodrome will NOT be in the new show. i honestly believe laird would let it die than destroy it

Donatello · 04-02-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kali

And it's true that many artists can be easily swayed by money, however, there are still a few of us who would stick to our guns. I'm just about as stubborn as Mr. Laird when it comes to my creations and it would take a pretty big paycheck, as in "here's the cash" not "we think it'll work", to make me make a huge change in my creations that I don't want to make.

same story for me. i'm eventually going to film school for tv production and plan on creating my own cartoon show. after college of course, but i'd rather destroy my creation than see it morph into something i'm not proud of

not every artist is swayed by money Ted Danson, Conan O'brien, Jerry seinfeld, etc. need i continue?

okay as for humor in the new show. it is there, very much so. but in this one it's put more in context. in the old show every moment was funny even when it shouldn't have been. the intellegence factor is much more present in this show. it's much more clever.

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Originally Posted by wyrm

jeez, am i the only one who wants to laugh on saturday mornings?
krang bebop and rocksteady should return(yes i know none of you think they will, i got it) jus to enhance the comedy of this show, sure every once in a while mike will make a stupid crack, but his character is basically raph from the old show, this new toon needs to lighten up

oh no wyrm is back...

my thoughts exactly

~~Leo656~~ · 04-02-2003, 12:53 PM

I kinda find it funny how tastes can change as one gets older. When I was like, 7 or 8, everyone I knew loved Michaelangelo, and to not name him as your favorite Turtle was to be ostracized on the playground during recess while the other kids were playing Ninja Turtles. Nowadays, it seems like everyone likes Raphael the best. Personally, I like Raph a lot but he could never be my favorite; he's too much like me, and not in a good way.

As for the new show vs the old show, I honestly think the new show is just as funny, much better animated, and far less pandering than the old show. The old show was definitely a kids show, and anyone who didn't watch it back then would find it almost unwatchably corny now, I think. I love the old show, but I admit that's mostly for sentimental reasons. Even at 7 I groaned at a few of the jokes. I think the new show is an actual good show with stuff that almost anyone could like if they gave it a chance.

And I'm glad that Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang aren't coming back for the same reason I'm glad that Roddy Piper isn't wrestling again despite bringing back "Piper's Pit" on Smackdown. Let the past stay in the past where it belongs. Visit it, embrace it, treasure it, but don't live there.

Remember: "The good old days weren't always good, and tomorrow aint as bad as it seems."

A cookie goes to whoever names the song and artist that said that. Your choice of cookie.

Donatello · 04-02-2003, 12:55 PM

i agreed with you up until the cookie thing

~~Leo656~~ · 04-02-2003, 12:56 PM

You don't like cookies?

Donatello · 04-02-2003, 12:58 PM

no, i do, i just lost ya at that point

cookies?

~~Leo656~~ · 04-02-2003, 12:59 PM

I just thought a cookie would be a nice reward to whoever guessed that particular song reference I made.

Donatello · 04-02-2003, 01:05 PM

oh, i didn't realize you made a song reference, between all the mangos and dancing bananas here i thought it was some random phrase

**Karpo_007** · 04-02-2003, 01:19 PM

I know excatly what you mean Leo656. I happened to watch all ofthe 194 episodes in some 6 months. But it was ment to be show for little kids so we have no right to judge it now. Im pretty sure little kids would still love the old show like we did back in the day.

SavantiRomero · 04-02-2003, 01:33 PM

I'm 25, I still like Mike the best!

MWAHAHAHAAH!

Stefano · 04-02-2003, 04:15 PM

it seems everybody likes mike. im more of a leo guy

*Raven* · 04-02-2003, 04:19 PM

leo is my fav

but mike is ok(Every time hes on I laugh)

TMNT_4ever · 04-02-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Remember: "The good old days weren't always good, and tomorrow aint as bad as it seems."

A cookie goes to whoever names the song and artist that said that. Your choice of cookie.

Billy Joel "Keeping the Faith"

My mom loves Billy Joel so I heard him all the time growing up.

And I agree with everything you said about the cartoons. The old show was great as a kid, but no way would I like it now if it was airing for the first time, but I'd like the current show even if I'd never heard of the Turtles.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-02-2003, 10:01 PM

So... what kinda cookie do ya want?

*XERO* · 04-03-2003, 12:09 AM

Got Milk?

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Apple Cat Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 528	---delete this Last edited by Apple Cat; 10-19-2008 at 06:52 AM.

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SavantiRomero Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 277	MIKE! I'm 25, I still like Mike the best! MWAHAHAHAAH!

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Stefano Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 762	it seems everybody likes mike. im more of a leo guy __________________ Leo: Your reign of terror is over Stockman! Mike: have you been practicing that? Leo: You like it? Utrom: this says ritc sir, and its written in crayon sir! Something wicked this way comes Mr. Show is the best!

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Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	leo is my fav but mike is ok(Every time hes on I laugh) __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

04-03-2003, 12:09 AM	#100
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	Got Milk? __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

04-01-2003, 07:45 PM	#81
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Actually, fulfilling requests to get people to back off would have to opposite effect. They would see that you're willing to compromise, and hit you up for more requests. And it's true that many artists can be easily swayed by money, however, there are still a few of us who would stick to our guns. I'm just about as stubborn as Mr. Laird when it comes to my creations and it would take a pretty big paycheck, as in "here's the cash" not "we think it'll work", to make me make a huge change in my creations that I don't want to make.

04-01-2003, 11:47 PM	#84
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, and since most of the fans did, and do still want a show based on Mirage, it will never happen. Let the caracters rest in peace.

04-02-2003, 12:53 PM	#88
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I kinda find it funny how tastes can change as one gets older. When I was like, 7 or 8, everyone I knew loved Michaelangelo, and to not name him as your favorite Turtle was to be ostracized on the playground during recess while the other kids were playing Ninja Turtles. Nowadays, it seems like everyone likes Raphael the best. Personally, I like Raph a lot but he could never be my favorite; he's too much like me, and not in a good way. As for the new show vs the old show, I honestly think the new show is just as funny, much better animated, and far less pandering than the old show. The old show was definitely a kids show, and anyone who didn't watch it back then would find it almost unwatchably corny now, I think. I love the old show, but I admit that's mostly for sentimental reasons. Even at 7 I groaned at a few of the jokes. I think the new show is an actual good show with stuff that almost anyone could like if they gave it a chance. And I'm glad that Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang aren't coming back for the same reason I'm glad that Roddy Piper isn't wrestling again despite bringing back "Piper's Pit" on Smackdown. Let the past stay in the past where it belongs. Visit it, embrace it, treasure it, but don't live there. Remember: "The good old days weren't always good, and tomorrow aint as bad as it seems." A cookie goes to whoever names the song and artist that said that. Your choice of cookie.

04-02-2003, 12:55 PM	#89
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	i agreed with you up until the cookie thing

04-02-2003, 12:56 PM	#90
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	You don't like cookies?

04-02-2003, 12:58 PM	#91
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	no, i do, i just lost ya at that point cookies?

04-02-2003, 12:59 PM	#92
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I just thought a cookie would be a nice reward to whoever guessed that particular song reference I made.

04-02-2003, 01:05 PM	#93
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	oh, i didn't realize you made a song reference, between all the mangos and dancing bananas here i thought it was some random phrase

04-02-2003, 01:19 PM	#94
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I know excatly what you mean Leo656. I happened to watch all ofthe 194 episodes in some 6 months. But it was ment to be show for little kids so we have no right to judge it now. Im pretty sure little kids would still love the old show like we did back in the day.

04-02-2003, 10:01 PM	#99
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	So... what kinda cookie do ya want?