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**Jester** · 11-27-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Here's another thing, why is it all the major news and animation websites reporting on the Nick show aren't acting like this is the first revival of the property since the 90's? If they didn't think the 4kids show was made, they probably would be reporting things like, "The Turtles are finally back after 15 years with a second cartoon!" and things like that.

Yet....you don't see that. Everyone is aware of the second cartoon that aired from 2003-2010. Nobody thinks the Nick show is the first revival of the property.

It would be poor research to disinclude the 4Kids series when writing articles mentioning prior TMNT series. Just because an article mentions the 4Kids series doesn't mean EVERYONE knows about it. You'd look like a poor journalist to not mention it. That doesn't make it, as you're so prone to say, common knowledge.

*CyberCubed* · 11-27-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

It would be poor research to disinclude the 4Kids series when writing articles mentioning prior TMNT series. Just because an article mentions the 4Kids series doesn't mean EVERYONE knows about it. You'd look like a poor journalist to not mention it. That doesn't make it, as you're so prone to say, common knowledge.

Whatever the case, everyone is aware the show exists. I think the main problem now is no proper DVD releases of the show exist so people can't properly sit down with it.

**Jester** · 11-27-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Whatever the case, everyone is aware the show exists. I think the main problem now is no proper DVD releases of the show exist so people can't properly sit down with it.

EVERYONE is far to broad a term. I'm sure if you looked, you could find plenty of people who weren't aware of the 4Kids series. Heck, more people probably know about Next Mutation. (I mean, if we're speaking with no real facts, why not go big.

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TMNT-Leonardo · 11-27-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Do your friends even watch cartoons anymore? If not, its probably why they didn't know about the 4kids cartoon. As I said, MOST TEENS AND ADULTS do not actually watch cartoons outside of the Fox comedies.

Yeah, and my friends are the type that still watch cartoons. One of them even has a kid who didn't know what Ninja Turtles were. So really, everyone knowing about the 2k3 series is an overstatement. Hell, I've read youtube comments with people saying "there was a new cartoon?". And like I said, THE MERCHAINDISE FOR THE SERIES WAS EVERYWHERE ARE THAT POINT AND THEY STILL DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

It wouldn't really matter if they watched cartoons or not, or if they liked the original show. If it was popular, they would know about it. Hell, there are shows that are popular which I don't even wanna watch, yet I still know that they exisist. The 2K3 series doesn't have that kind of representation.

*CyberCubed* · 11-27-2012, 09:14 PM

They must have been living under a rock then. The 4kids series ALSO aired on Cartoon Network in reruns for at least 2-3 years. It was airing on more than one channel regularly.

Let alone the DVD releases, the huge toyline, and the fact that a new games came out yearly for PS2/Gamecube/Xbox and Gameboy Advance for about 4 years in a row.

TMNT-Leonardo · 11-27-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They must have been living under a rock then

Yes, please insult people you don't know, because you think it makes your argument stronger.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The 4kids series ALSO aired on Cartoon Network in reruns for at least 2-3 years. It was airing on more than one channel regularly.

Let alone the DVD releases, the huge toyline, and the fact that a new games came out yearly for PS2/Gamecube/Xbox and Gameboy Advance for about 4 years in a row.

So what? Most kids shows have DVD releases, toylines and games. That doesn't mean it's a huge popular hit, it's milking it out as much as possible. It still didn't really stick in peoples mind as much as you seem to think it did, and to the point, NOT as well known. If you think it's anywhere near the icon of of say the original series, you're severly mistaken.

**Jester** · 11-27-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Let alone the huge toyline...

Sorry, this made me laugh.

*The Stryker* · 11-27-2012, 09:27 PM

I wish I was one of those people that has never heard of the 2k3 show.

TMNT-Leonardo · 11-27-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Sorry, this made me laugh.

I don't even remember half the toys they put out for the 2K3 series. I just remember there was I point where I thought, "Wow, they're doing the same thing they did with the original toyline, stuff that never happened in the show". lol

*Cure* · 11-27-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

I wish I was one of those people that has never heard of the 2k3 show.

BOOM, you got them, man.

*CyberCubed* · 11-27-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TMNT-Leonardo

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So what? Most kids shows have DVD releases, toylines and games. That doesn't mean it's a huge popular hit, it's milking it out as much as possible. It still didn't really stick in peoples mind as much as you seem to think it did, and to the point, NOT as well known. If you think it's anywhere near the icon of of say the original series, you're severly mistaken.

The point is that its EXPOSURE. When something is more than just a TV show, and it has toys, videogames, etc. its going to make people more aware of it.

People on the videogame websites back in 2003-2005 always saw the reviews for the new Turtle games (they got poor reviews generally), and were aware the show existed.

And the toyline was always plentiful in stores. Over the entire span the 4kids show was airing there were always huge racks of TMNT figures in Toys R Us, Target, Walmart, etc. You couldn't miss them.

Vivi · 11-27-2012, 09:44 PM

I for one love that the 2k3 show existed and am glad to have heard of it. Seriously, what is it with thinking one show devalues the other? All shows add to the pot, it's a good thing.

As far as this incarnation goes, the popularity is probably a combination of writing, wonderful voice talent, 3d animation, and a HUGE advertising campaign. As well as timing. This style of animation is very popular at the moment.

But it will not out do Adventure Time. That show is a phenomenon.

TMNT-Leonardo · 11-27-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The point is that its EXPOSURE. When something is more than just a TV show, and it has toys, videogames, etc. its going to make people more aware of it.

Did you miss the point where I said, the MERCHAINDISE WAS EVERYWHERE when I asked my friends about it, and they still didn't know of it's exsistance. If my friends were "living under a rock" I'd have to guess everyone else who didn't know about it (even now) despite the exposure were under the same circumstance?

The merchaindise is suppose to give it expourse, but doesn't mean it always works. The series is still not common knowledge. I enjoyed it for what it was, but I'm not gonna lie and say it was hugely succesful because it wasn't.

*CyberCubed* · 11-27-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TMNT-Leonardo

Did you miss the point where I said, the MERCHAINDISE WAS EVERYWHERE when I asked my friends about it, and they still didn't know of it's exsistance. If my friends were "living under a rock" I'd have to guess everyone else who didn't know about it (even now) despite the exposure were under the same circumstance?

If they don't know its existence its probably because they aren't anything more than casual fans. Do they even rewatch the OT through the DVDs?

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The merchaindise is suppose to give it expourse, but doesn't mean it always works. The series is still not common knowledge. I enjoyed it for what it was, but I'm not gonna lie and say it was hugely succesful because it wasn't.

Here's a revelation, not every show is going to become a hugely popular fad. VERY FEW shows actually hit mainstream fad status. A show doesn't have to be tremendously popular to be a success.

Also keep in mind how long the 4kids series was on the air and how many episodes were produced. The show could have very well been a failed 80's reboot and ended after one season. Hell it could have ended after 3 seasons and would have been an average-length show.

Instead it lasts 7 seasons, makes 157 episodes, AND has a full-length TV movie...along with all the assorted merchandize. Can you even think of many other American cartoons that made 157 episodes outside of comedies?

*NinjaMan* · 11-27-2012, 11:06 PM

I'll take quality over quantity. 03 toon was good but for me, I hated the ninja tribunal arc, FF and didn't care for BTTS.

*CyberCubed* · 11-28-2012, 07:28 AM

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I'll take quality over quantity. 03 toon was good but for me, I hated the ninja tribunal arc, FF and didn't care for BTTS.

LOL, even without the last few seasons you still get over 100 episodes.

*NinjaMan* · 11-28-2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

LOL, even without the last few seasons you still get over 100 episodes.

And there were still duds in those episodes as well. 100 episodes means squat. It's just a number.

*CyberCubed* · 11-28-2012, 07:40 AM

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And there were still duds in those episodes as well. 100 episodes means squat. It's just a number.

The same could be said for the original series, when those mad scientist episodes started in Season 4, let alone the Euro vacation eps that most people don't care for.

*The Stryker* · 11-28-2012, 07:41 AM

Guy. It's Cybercubed. His entire life revolves around how many episodes a cartoon has.

Wow! 100 episodes! This show is awesome! 70 of them are complete trash? Whatever! 100 episodes!

*CyberCubed* · 11-28-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

Guy. It's Cybercubed. His entire life revolves around how many episodes a cartoon has.

Wow! 100 episodes! This show is awesome! 70 of them are complete trash? Whatever! 100 episodes!

Except that isn't the case.

11-27-2012, 09:27 PM	#88
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	I wish I was one of those people that has never heard of the 2k3 show. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

11-28-2012, 07:41 AM	#99
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Guy. It's Cybercubed. His entire life revolves around how many episodes a cartoon has. Wow! 100 episodes! This show is awesome! 70 of them are complete trash? Whatever! 100 episodes! __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

11-27-2012, 09:14 PM	#85
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,814	They must have been living under a rock then. The 4kids series ALSO aired on Cartoon Network in reruns for at least 2-3 years. It was airing on more than one channel regularly. Let alone the DVD releases, the huge toyline, and the fact that a new games came out yearly for PS2/Gamecube/Xbox and Gameboy Advance for about 4 years in a row.

11-27-2012, 09:44 PM	#92
Vivi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ninja HQ, Moon Posts: 1,076	I for one love that the 2k3 show existed and am glad to have heard of it. Seriously, what is it with thinking one show devalues the other? All shows add to the pot, it's a good thing. As far as this incarnation goes, the popularity is probably a combination of writing, wonderful voice talent, 3d animation, and a HUGE advertising campaign. As well as timing. This style of animation is very popular at the moment. But it will not out do Adventure Time. That show is a phenomenon.

11-27-2012, 11:06 PM	#95
NinjaMan Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,579	I'll take quality over quantity. 03 toon was good but for me, I hated the ninja tribunal arc, FF and didn't care for BTTS.