Turtles Forever: a direct insult to the old 1987 cartoon?

[Leofan26]

It's not as bad as what the Nick's version did to them, one quick cameo to make jokes at them.

Guess that's what the new writers think of the 80s show is all.

[The Fifth Turtle]

Poking fun at the 80's OT? Yes
Direct insult? No


They even poke fun at the headbands of the 2k series.

Damn it now I want to watch TF.

[ironman29758]

Originally Posted by Leofan26

It's not as bad as what the Nick's version did to them, one quick cameo to make jokes at them.

Guess that's what the new writers think of the 80s show is all.

It was just Mikey poking fun, while Donnie admiring April's jumpsuit and the Turtles, April and Casey looking at shock/confusion at the FW Turtles. Then the OT Turtles(voiced by the original actors) at the end doing what they do best. And to be fair the Nick show does seem to have elements from the OT cartoon as well as other versions.

I do think the worst thing they did was have the Turtles do in the movie was crying, running and fear when the situation got to out of hand, yes some of it felt like a good tribute, Some of it felt like a parody/caricature but that was too out of hand even for the movie. I understand they have to differentiate the two groups of Turtles but still.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by Leofan26

Guess that's what the new writers think of the 80s show is all.

Yeah cause reinventing the 80's show characters with respect and masterfully presenting new story lines around them classifies as an insult to everything from the 80's series...

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Leofan26

It's not as bad as what the Nick's version did to them, one quick cameo to make jokes at them.

Guess that's what the new writers think of the 80s show is all.

What did they do that was so bad? I thought it was a great, albeit brief appearance.

I also think Ciro and crew have a lot of affection for the OT.

[NiNi]

I don't think it was a direct insult.

However,to me, it was more like having the 1987 turtles and not having the original voice actors kind of defeats the purpose of having the special to begin with. That pretty much sums up what Townsend Coleman (I believe it was him) said basing on an episode of Talkin' Toons with Rob Paulsen when they had the 1987 cast all in one place as a mini reunion. (Episode 56 if you want to check it out.)

[alliance]

I just wanted to say i had fun reading this thread... i literally had to get away from my computer in general since im already banned from the 4kids section.. *whew* my account is still intact cause i didnt bother with this thread since i knew i wouldve went overboard.. it is what it is i guess..

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Yeah cause reinventing the 80's show characters with respect and masterfully presenting new story lines around them classifies as an insult to everything from the 80's series...

HAHAH dude.. too much man. too much

[sdp]

I haven't read the thread since I replied, I'll do it later but I did want to comment after watching The Manhattan Project that the Nick show handled the OT turtles perfectly. Sure they made a jab at them calling them goofy or whatever and said that after the worm they'd eat pizza which is not too in character for donatello but they were serious as well. That's how Turtles Forever should've handled them instead of making them into a parody.

Edit:skimmed through the thread and definitely disagree with many points, but I'll post about it another time when I have more time.

[1987]

lol i just now saw the phelous video review gotta agree with it.

in "turtles forever" the 4kids turtles were trying to say they had a better show then the ot turtles. well then howcome they only lasted 6 seasons while the ot turtles lasted 10 seasons? goes to show you who was good enough to stay on the air longer.

[Powder]

8 seasons, buddy.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by 1987

lol i just now saw the phelous video review gotta agree with it.

in "turtles forever" the 4kids turtles were trying to say they had a better show then the ot turtles. well then howcome they only lasted 6 seasons while the ot turtles lasted 10 seasons? goes to show you who was good enough to stay on the air longer.

Your really reaching for these are you? A lot and I mean A LOT of shows died out during the early 200's were it seem like 3 seasons was the norm of a cartoon. Very few made it to 4, 5 or heck 8 seasons. But their is a thread ofr this so I won't bring it up here.

[Konchadunga]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Moroboshi

Ya, I have to agree. If you go back and watch the old show (not the first five episodes, but the majority of what came after those "mini-series" episodes), the ridiculousness is actually pretty much what was shown in Turtles Forever. It might seem like they were exaggerating, but they weren't really. If anything, it's more that the old cartoon was inconsistent with its goofiness and the characterizations of the characters, as it seemed to vary depending on who was writing which episode. Turtles Forever might be bit... biased in only drawing from episodes where the most ridiculousness was present, but to say that the old cartoon never reached those levels is a fallacy. It just fluctuated, is all.

Those points may be valid, but I still see absolutely no answer to my challenges in that blog, except for a single bit about Leonardo in a single episode. I will grant that TF is not the only derivative work to flanderize them all into Mikey--the live-action movies were well on their way--but given what "Mikey" meant to 4Kids, their take on that idea was entirely too obnoxious and inept. For all it's admitted problems, I still think the Fred Wolf show handled humor better than the 4Kids, and it's Michelangelo was much more tolerable.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by 1987

in "turtles forever" the 4kids turtles were trying to say they had a better show then the ot turtles. well then howcome they only lasted 6 seasons while the ot turtles lasted 10 seasons? goes to show you who was good enough to stay on the air longer.

This is the must utterly moronic comment I've read in a while. Most cartoons don't reach 100 episodes, and the fact that the 4kids series made 156 episodes is unbelieveable.

Batman: TAS, one of the greatest cartoons of all time, only lasted about 110 episodes. Superman: TAS was only 54 episodes. Teen Titans was only 65 episodes. Almost all Marvel shows are short-lived.

There aren't many cartoons from the 2000's that aren't comedies that lasted as long as the 4kids series did,

[Leofan26]

Animation and quick cameo didn't do them justice though, them crying and running to Raph was a bit much but yah know.

I guess it's been a while since I've seen the 80s series, I don't notice the 80s moments in the 2012 series. I'll have to go back and re watch.

[1987]

i think it all comes down to jealousy in the end. even if the 4kids show did outlast most other cartoons of its time with 156 episodes, it still did not beat the ot's record of 193 epsiodes. the ot ran from 1987-1996, 9 years, while the 4kids show ran from 2003-2009, only 6 years. so i think the writers were just jealous that they couldnt outlast the ot so they took out their frustrations on "turtles forever" by constanly bashing and humiliating the ot as much as possible. anyone who thinks "turtles forever" is a completely 100% accurate depiction of the ot is totally wrong, its just an ultrastereotypical parody of the ot to make them look like fools. it makes ridiculous stereotypical generalizations about a 193-episode series into a 73-minute movie. they abused their power to make their show look good.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by 1987

i think it all comes down to jealousy in the end. even if the 4kids show did outlast most other cartoons of its time with 156 episodes, it certainly did not beat the ot's record of 193 epsiodes. the ot ran from 1987-1996, 9 years, while the 4kids show ran from 2003-2009, only 6 years. so i think the writers were just jealous that they couldnt outlast the ot so they took out their frustrations on "turtles forever" by constanly bashing and humiliating the ot as much as possible. anyone who thinks "turtles forever" is a completely 100% accurate depiction of the ot is totally wrong, its just an ultrastereotypical parody of the ot to make them look like fools. it makes ridiculous stereotypical generalizations about a 193-episode series into a 73-minute movie. they abused their power to make their show look good.

You're delusional. The show was written by completely different people not looking to, "outdo" a previous series. The writers of the show aren't holding a grudge over an 80's cartoon.

Why the hell does it matter the show lasted less episodes than the original toon? TV is different today than it was in the 80's and 90's, most shows do not last a long time and childhood fads die quicker now.

[Powder]

This guy's not right in the head.

[Technogeek29]

^ What Powder said. I'm done! I'm not going to even begin to try to figure out what's wrong with you. He's all yours Cybercubed I'm out.

[Jester]

Wow....I even think the FW Turtles in Turtles Forever were caricatures of themselves, and I find that point completely ridiculous....