Tragic Shooting In Orlando

[sdp]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

But it's not like guns are growing lips and telling people to use them to go on rampages like this. It's sad how people would rather blame an object over the people that are actually pulling the trigger.

Should anything be legal to buy then?
Tanks, bombs etc.?

The right to bear arms means all restrictions should be done away with and you're free to buy an automatic gun or whatever you please and if restrictions are ok then why can't we have more restrictions to stop people who shouldn't have guns from getting them?

[plastroncafe]

People routinely forget the "well regulated" part of the 2nd Amendment.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They are never, ever going to take our guns away. It's not going to happen. You don't like that? That makes you scared to walk down the street? There are many other countries where you don't have to worry about having that right. Go wild.

This quote is everything I hate about other 'murricans. Gun fanatics sound like crazy ****ing murderers to me, whether it be human lives or animal lives they take makes no difference, because someone that would willingly shoot a deer or rabbit or dog or bear or raccoon or ANY poor animal and enjoy it is a cold-hearted killer anyway in my eyes, and I want nothing to do with a country, much less an entire state, that thinks it's okay.

And oooh, it just had to be topped with "we're 'murrica, we like our guns we think we're the boss we think we're tough **** get big or get out", which is pretty much the worst thing ever, because none of the people that say this ever offer to pay for me to relocate, wouldn't ya know? I have destination choices just lined right up and I'd happily move if I could. I'd love to live where there are no guns and making sure people don't die isn't treated as just another business. Sounds like fun to me, see ya later, if you don't want me here then YOU get me out of here... or deal with me.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

This quote is everything I hate about other 'murricans. Gun fanatics sound like crazy ****ing murderers to me, whether it be human lives or animal lives they take makes no difference, because someone that would willingly shoot a deer or rabbit or dog or bear or raccoon or ANY poor animal and enjoy it is a cold-hearted killer anyway in my eyes, and I want nothing to do with a country, much less an entire state, that thinks it's okay.

And oooh, it just had to be topped with "we're 'murrica, we like our guns we think we're the boss we think we're tough **** get big or get out", which is pretty much the worst thing ever, because none of the people that say this ever offer to pay for me to relocate, wouldn't ya know? I have destination choices just lined right up and I'd happily move if I could. I'd love to live where there are no guns and making sure people don't die isn't treated as just another business. Sounds like fun to me, see ya later, if you don't want me here then YOU get me out of here... or deal with me.

You do know most people hunt for food, correct? And have been since humans have been around for? Are you really going to compare hunters to mass murderers? Am I a """cold hearted killer""" for eating meat?

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by snake

You do know most people hunt for food, correct? And have been since humans have been around for? Are you really going to compare hunters to mass murderers? Am I a """cold hearted killer""" for eating meat?

Nnnnnot any more bro most people hunt for sport. I don't care about hunting for food, though I can't imagine eating a rabbit you shot will be very pleasant, I've no objection to that.

It's when people shoot for sport and enjoy it like it's some sort of sick game that I don't like. Never have, never will.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by snake

You do know most people hunt for food, correct? And have been since humans have been around for? Are you really going to compare hunters to mass murderers? Am I a """cold hearted killer""" for eating meat?

Speaking from the many people I know that hunt, they don't eat it. They may sell the meat, but they hunt to do it. To say they shot a 12 point buck, or to Frame a deer head on a wall, to post a picture on their social media. It's just a sport to them. They love to go out and shoot things.
They're not doing it to eat the meat, and they sure as hell don't care about population control. They hunt to hunt.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Electric

Speaking from the many people I know that hunt, they don't eat it. They may sell the meat, but they hunt to do it. To say they shot a 12 point buck, or to Frame a deer head on a wall, to post a picture on their social media. It's just a sport to them. They love to go out and shoot things.
They're not doing it to eat the meat, and they sure as hell don't care about population control. They hunt to hunt.

The few people I know who hunt (or at least who I've talked about it with) actually do eat it.

Darn good venison sausage. But I do find it easy to believe that a majority of people do it for sport.

[Commenter 42]

Disgusting.

Prayers offered up for a religious attack. Defending madness with the same crazy.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Disgusting.

Prayers offered up for a religious attack. Defending madness with the same crazy.

People wanting consolation after a terror attack? Madness!

Face it, r/atheism, you can say religion does horrible things, but one thing it actually does do is make people feel better.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe for those who need it to make them be better.

I do fine without, thanks...

Edit: Missed the word "feel." Okay, I still feel fine without. Though I hate the accusations I see online every time something like this happens.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by snake

People wanting consolation after a terror attack? Madness!

Talking to ones self is a sign of madness, yes. Very good

Originally Posted by snake

Face it, r/atheism, you can say religion does horrible things, but one thing it actually does do is make people feel better.

Actually, it spreads guilt, fear, and hostility; but why quibble.

And go **** yourself with the pet names.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Talking to ones self is a sign of madness, yes. Very good



Actually, it spreads guilt, fear, and hostility; but why quibble.

And go **** yourself with the pet names.

Wow, youre just a d**k on every thread.

If people want religion as something to comfort them and others in times of tragedy, no one has the ****ing right to tell them otherwise. **** off.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

And I'll just throw in my 2 cents about gun control..

You could melt down every single firearm in the world, but then there's still always gonna be IED's, chemical/biological warfare, the list goes on. Guns aren't the problem.

To add to the discussion and complicate the debate about gun control, the gun supporting community would point out that the 2013 Boston Marathon Bombing was carried out without firearms, and that the January 2015 Charlie Hedbo attacks and the November 2015 Paris attacks still occurred even with France's stricter gun control laws.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

...

So effectively, Humans suck, because we can't escape our nature.

I think we can try.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

What is not absolutely necessary, in any form, is the worship or belief in the supernatural. That can be flushed away, and we'll all be just fine, It's more trouble than it's worth.

Good luck not believing in BS - Everyone does to some degree.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

And yes, it absolutely does matter why the numbers are what they are; pointing to the wars of the twentieth century is a fallacious argument, external factors, like a population explosion, erode all points of comparison to past events.

It absolutely doesn't because it isn't a competition - I'm not trying to convince you that one form of social engineering is worse than another, but your point about religion being the cause of all the worlds ills can be refuted by the fact that Mao, Stalin, etc. caused just as much havoc as anyone previously, without a god telling them to do it.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

We could get into the percentages, but do you know how many slaves died to build the Pyramids? Do you have the numbers of how many humans were on the planet at the time?

Interesting point; slaves probably didn't build the pyramids.

I can see you're passionate about this, and I don't want to be argumentative, but this topic rubs me the wrong way.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Electric

Wow, youre just a d**k on every thread.

If people want religion as something to comfort them and others in times of tragedy, no one has the ****ing right to tell them otherwise. **** off.

When fairy tales and make believe cause mass slaughter, they should lose that privilege.
Of the two waring religions, both can be reduced to racism, sexism, and tribalism, hedged on an pyramid scheme.
Big boy pants buddy. People died over who they love. Burden of proof is on the devote, not the rational.

The less imaginary friends we acknowledge, the better.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by ProactiveMan

I think we can try.

Good luck not believing in BS - Everyone does to some degree.

It absolutely doesn't because it isn't a competition - I'm not trying to convince you that one form of social engineering is worse than another, but your point about religion being the cause of all the worlds ills can be refuted by the fact that Mao, Stalin, etc. caused just as much havoc as anyone previously, without a god telling them to do it.

Interesting point; slaves probably didn't build the pyramids.

I can see you're passionate about this, and I don't want to be argumentative, but this topic rubs me the wrong way.

No, Religion is not our biggest problem, that would be Water, but okay...
Sure Mao and Stalin were cruel: but for what a few decades? I see your socialism and raise you the Dark Ages...

Yeah, I'm not up on my Egyptology, but what's your argument, the Pharaohs were elected?

What rubs you the wrong way? People being shot for being Gay? Yeah, it's really ****ed up, especially the "for being gay" part. What kind of backwards, idiotic bunch of asshats would judge people for who they have sex with...

Oh...right.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

and that the January 2015 Charlie Hedbo attacks and the November 2015 Paris attacks still occurred even with France's stricter gun control laws.

True, but they had a damn harder time orchestrating it all and actually getting their hands on the weapons, compared to the bloke here who just went into a store and purchased the AR15 with no questions asked the week previous. One mass shooting carried out compared to the (and I'll repeat it here again), ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE already in the US during 2016.

And cue cartoon...





I suspect many Democrats look at the laws and secretly wish they could ban guns. But they know that is politically impossible, and even proposing it would drive many voters into the arms of NRA-backed Republicans. So they instead focus on a couple of issues. Better background checks, as the ones that exist are ineffective and easily worked around. And allowing research into gun safety, currently banned by Congress (it’s not that they won’t fund it, they actually passed a law I believe banning all research into gun safety!).

It is a bit stupid that people under suspicion of being ISIS supporters can be banned from flying (the no-fly list) but can’t be banned from buying guns. And not just handguns but military assault weapons, the law does not distinguish between them. It is just as ridiculous that significant resources are invested in investigating car safety, product safety, drug safety, but research into gun safety is off limits.

[Netkeeper]

I don't know why people are even talking about religion at all when the shooting was more a hate crime than a religiously-fuelled attack anyway. This was straight-up homophobia. There are a lot of frightened LGBT folks out there right now.

[Commenter 42]

Because gay men obviously throw themselves off buildings bound to chairs.
Because teen girls just adore unnecessary vag surgery that might kill them
Because a drawing of a fictious character means jihad
Because 50 random people are dead.

Keep telling yourselves the guns are to blame.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

To add to the discussion and complicate the debate about gun control, the gun supporting community would point out that the 2013 Boston Marathon Bombing was carried out without firearms, and that the January 2015 Charlie Hedbo attacks and the November 2015 Paris attacks still occurred even with France's stricter gun control laws.

Point of order regarding the Boston bombing:
As a result of the attack at the Finish Line people are now no longer allowed to carry bags anywhere along the marathon route. There's an organization of active and inactive military members who used to ruck the marathon until the bombing, but since the no bag rule they can't.

In fact almost all large public events in Boston have a no bag rule.

There are metal detectors at Fenway Park. There are metal detectors at the Garden.

Everything other than guns gets banned somehow after something like this happens.

But hey, I'm sure the fact that the guy was a closet case in a culture where f*gs are considered to be less than human had absolutely nothing to do with it.

And that culture is Florida.