Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 16: Broken Foot

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

In the IDW Shredder committed Seppuku, ritualized suicide.

Well it was little bit of both but IDW Splinter knew at the end at least that Shredder was going to be nothing but a problem and he needed to end the squabble.

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

Its less about killing Shredder, and more the horrifying risks that can come with it.

Like what exactly.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Well i guess the Hamato Clan need to kill Shredder seriously even the 2k3 turtles knew it was a good idea to kill Shredder and the IDW version had Splinter decapitate him is it really vengeance if you kill a man who is trying time and time again to kill you.

In the 2k3 show the turtles going after Shredder was vengeance but in a controlled way because Shredder thought they were killed in April's shop explosion so he was caught off guard.

In vengeance is mine Karai took off on her own to kill Shredder but this vengeance wasn't in a controlled situation because Shredder was expecting it and Karai ended up getting mutated.

In today's episode destroying Shredder's things was vengeance and it wasn't in a controlled situation and Leo admitted he didn't have it under control. Tiger Claw knew they were going to destroy the chemical plant and the Foot Bot Factory because he knew Karai was going around destroying things.

So basically if the Turtles, Splinter and Karia go after Shredder, it has to be in a controlled situation, have a good plan and know when Shredder will least expect it, if not then everything can go wrong.

[Ashwolf]

despite the ep feeling a bit rushed, personally feel like it shouldve lasted 2 eps(although there still is the bit from that concept art that should happen) but it still was pretty good

think its sweet how chompy can breathe fire

considering how mikey has ick as a pet while raph has chompy (and don has metalhead as a pet, if u wouldve even count that) curious about/if leo will eventually have 1 also and if he does, then on which type itll be

Originally Posted by Vicky82

In the 2k3 show the turtles going after Shredder was vengeance but in a controlled way because Shredder thought they were killed in April's shop explosion so he was caught off guard.

In vengeance is mine Karai took off on her own to kill Shredder but this vengeance wasn't in a controlled situation because Shredder was expecting it and Karai ended up getting mutated.

In today's episode destroying Shredder's things was vengeance and it wasn't in a controlled situation and Leo admitted he didn't have it under control. Tiger Claw knew they were going to destroy the chemical plant and the Foot Bot Factory because he knew Karai was going around destroying things.

So basically if the Turtles, Splinter and Karia go after Shredder, it has to be in a controlled situation, have a good plan and know when Shredder will least expect it, if not then everything can go wrong.

also from the beginning of the ep, it kinda felt implied that it wasnt the 1st of shredders operations/buildings they destroyed

[Yoshimickster]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Like what exactly.

Like all his sons dying in the process from fighting all Shredder's super armies.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

In the 2k3 show the turtles going after Shredder was vengeance but in a controlled way because Shredder thought they were killed in April's shop explosion so he was caught off guard.

In vengeance is mine Karai took off on her own to kill Shredder but this vengeance wasn't in a controlled situation because Shredder was expecting it and Karai ended up getting mutated.

In today's episode destroying Shredder's things was vengeance and it wasn't in a controlled situation and Leo admitted he didn't have it under control. Tiger Claw knew they were going to destroy the chemical plant and the Foot Bot Factory because he knew Karai was going around destroying things.

So basically if the Turtles, Splinter and Karia go after Shredder, it has to be in a controlled situation, have a good plan and know when Shredder will least expect it, if not then everything can go wrong.

1.During that "Controlled way" they had to fight their way thru Lasers, Ninjas, mutants and mystics not anything different compared to the way they were were fighting Shredder beforehand also again Shredder is weakened so this is the perfect chance to strike.

2. All the more reason for them to work together

3. It was also about hurting his resources and they still made out alive, the only thing Leo should have done was told his brother.

4.Again this the best time to go after Shredder, the dude is weak now and they can spend that moment crippling his empire and building weaponry to combat against Shredder

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

Like all his sons dying in the process from fighting all Shredder's super armies.

I said it once and I'll say it again all the more reason to attack him now, if Shredder wants something he will try his damndest to do it regardless of what happens also doesn't Donnie have that anti mutagen thing with him or can't he make more? With that, the idea of a super army is pretty much useless at this point.

[Yoshimickster]

Yeah about Shredder being WEAK...you do remember the mutagen transfusion right? ALSO-they had no idea he was weak before, they had no idea WHAT was going on after the Triceraton invasion.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

Yeah about Shredder being WEAK...you do remember the mutagen transfusion right? ALSO-they had no idea he was weak before, they had no idea WHAT was going on after the Triceraton invasion.

Splinter should at least known the technique he did to Shredder should've at least incapacitated him for a few months.

[Yoshimickster]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Splinter should at least known the technique he did to Shredder should've at least incapacitated him for a few months.

It was a pressure point jab against SHREDDER, the dude was bitten by a giant croco-man and walked it off.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

It was a pressure point jab against SHREDDER, the dude was bitten by a giant croco-man and walked it off.

There is a difference between physical attacks and pressure points so again Splinter should've at least known Shredder would've been incapacitated

[Yoshimickster]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

There is a difference between physical attacks and pressure points so again Splinter should've at least known Shredder would've been incapacitated

I don't think he would have, considering he never said the attack was a super incapacitating move, and even if it was he'd just need the right acupuncturist to heal him up.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

1.During that "Controlled way" they had to fight their way thru Lasers, Ninjas, mutants and mystics not anything different compared to the way they were were fighting Shredder beforehand also again Shredder is weakened so this is the perfect chance to strike.

2. All the more reason for them to work together

If they all went out that night Shredder would be still be expecting it and probably would have captured them and still mutated Karai.

3. It was also about hurting his resources and they still made out alive, the only thing Leo should have done was told his brother.

They would still be in the same situation if he did tell his brothers. Tiger Claw knew they were coming because they were destroying stuff. Donnie still could of gotten injured but in a different way.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

If they all went out that night Shredder would be still be expecting it and probably would have captured them and still mutated Karai.

I was referring the the 2k3 version.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

They would still be in the same situation if he did tell his brothers. Tiger Claw knew they were coming because they were destroying stuff. Donnie still could of gotten injured but in a different way.

1. So Tiger Claw already knew they were coming and they still blew up the factory and 2 how the hell would Donnie get hurt, the reason why he got hurt is because Leo didn't tell his brother what he was doing

[victory_angel]

In order to commit Seppuku the person who is committing the act opens their abdomen with a blade. In this case the Shredder uses his own Tagaki to perform this task, and then another designated person decapitates the dying warrior so that they don't suffer in agony while they pass on to the next world.

In Splinter's heart there is no honor or redemption in seeking revenge. Look at it this way. Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki had been raised together and lived with one another as brothers. And even though Oroku Saki was not his brother by blood, in his heart he had cared for his friend. While he knows the friendly ties he once had with his former friend are severed, Oroku Saki still is the only tie he has to his past. And perhaps a small piece of the man he had once known as his brother and friend still remains in some way.

Splinter doesn't kill his friend because of a little thing about Karma. For example I consider myself a wiccan, I don't practice the wiccan religion or participate in any solstice rights but I do study the culture. One of the tenets that is followed in some forms of the religion is the Three-Fold Law AKA the Karmic Law of Three, which translates that what we do both good and bad comes back to us three-fold.

And that is why Splinter doesn't go out of his way to kill Shredder because he knows the Shredder is already dead and there is little point in killing what is already dead. It's just a matter of the Shredder's karma catching up to him. Be it through his own selfish action or finally realizing the error of his ways and choosing to end himself with whatever scrap of honor he has left.

[oldmanwinters]

The U.S. Government totally needs to bill Leonardo and Karai for setting fire to the currency.

Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 700; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(B), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2146.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/333

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

I don't think he would have, considering he never said the attack was a super incapacitating move, and even if it was he'd just need the right acupuncturist to heal him up.

Lets just say Shredder is fine and dandy, what is the downside of attacking his plants or factories, it only going to hurt him and forces him to deal with the problem personally which means the Hamato clan can have their chance in killing him, there aren't a lot of downsides to Karai's plan just the fact that she is too emotional.

Originally Posted by victory_angel

In order to commit Seppuku the person who is committing the act opens their abdomen with a blade. In this case the Shredder uses his own Tagaki to perform this task, and then another designated person decapitates the dying warrior so that they don't suffer in agony while they pass on to the next world.

In Splinter's heart there is no honor or redemption in seeking revenge. Look at it this way. Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki had been raised together and lived with one another as brothers. And even though Oroku Saki was not his brother by blood, in his heart he had cared for his friend. While he knows the friendly ties he once had with his former friend are severed, Oroku Saki still is the only tie he has to his past. And perhaps a small piece of the man he had once known as his brother and friend still remains in some way.

Splinter doesn't kill his friend because of a little thing about Karma. For example I consider myself a wiccan, I don't practice the wiccan religion or participate in any solstice rights but I do study the culture. One of the tenets that is followed in some forms of the religion is the Three-Fold Law AKA the Karmic Law of Three, which translates that what we do both good and bad comes back to us three-fold.

And that is why Splinter doesn't go out of his way to kill Shredder because he knows the Shredder is already dead and there is little point in killing what is already dead. It's just a matter of the Shredder's karma catching up to him. Be it through his own selfish action or finally realizing the error of his ways and choosing to end himself with whatever scrap of honor he has left.

I know about Seppuku thank you but Splinter still knew Shredder was problematic and sooner or later had to stop him

And Shredder is a man who is willing to sell out his own species if it means not only killing Yoshi but also emotionally torturing him Shredder will stop at nothing to do this and the more Splinter waits the more Shredder's army will get stronger and bigger not only that more people will get hurt, at this point of the series Yoshi needs to kill Shredder not for the sake of revenge but for the sake of protection

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

I was referring the the 2k3 version.

I was referring to this, i'll do it again.

Me - In vengeance is mine Karai took off on her own to kill Shredder but this vengeance wasn't in a controlled situation because Shredder was expecting it and Karai ended up getting mutated.

You - 2. All the more reason for them to work together

Me - If they all went out that night Shredder would be still be expecting it and probably would have captured them and still mutated Karai.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I was referring to this, i'll do it again.

Then why didn't you delete my 1. Quote also the reason why Karai was mutated was because she was outnumbered of she had some turtle power(can't believe I said that) the whole mutant thing could've been avoided

[Yoshimickster]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Lets just say Shredder is fine and dandy, what is the downside of attacking his plants or factories, it only going to hurt him and forces him to deal with the problem personally which means the Hamato clan can have their chance in killing him, there aren't a lot of downsides to Karai's plan just the fact that she is too emotional.

Okay I know your going to ignore me again but PLEASE, enough with the run-on sentences.

Well for one they cause massive fires which could hurt people, plus it gives their enemy even MORE reason to hate them feuling his crazy plans.

And yes...yes there are a lot of downsides to Karai's plans. For one, it involves a severe lack of recon, she just wanted to find the location and end it, and that's probably how she's gonna deal with the Shredder too. And know what will happen THEN? She gets owned by Super Shredder, and the massive amount of guards he has.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

The U.S. Government totally needs to bill Leonardo and Karai for setting fire to the currency.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/333

Shoulda donated that shiz to charity at least

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Then why didn't you delete my 1. Quote also the reason why Karai was mutated was because she was outnumbered of she had some turtle power(can't believe I said that) the whole mutant thing could've been avoided

I forgot.

It could have been avoided if Shredder didn't use Karai as bait to trap the turtles and Splinter.

Shredder was planning to capture and mutate the turtles into mindless serpents to defeat Splinter. It obviously didn't work because Karai ended up getting mutated instead.

So even if they all went with Karia defeat Shredder, they still would have all been captured because of Shredder's plan.

I had enough now, i'm going to bed.