New "female centric" Star Wars TV show in development

*Andrew NDB* · 04-22-2020, 05:14 PM

From the writer and producer of Russian Doll:

https://deadline.com/2020/04/new-sta...us-1202915221/

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-tv-...YnKoETwzLuLRQc

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2020, 02:48 AM

EDIT: Oh, great the ol' "alternate timeline" razzmatazz. AKA, "We'll just fling sh*t at the wall, and if you don't like it, it doesn't count."

A masterful tool of storytelling, and indicative of people who really care a lot and know what they're doing, as shown countless times by such timeless and acclaimed film series as X-Men, Terminator, Star Trek, etc.

Certainly never a crutch used by hacks who've written themselves into a corner. Pshaw. Pshaw and Phooey. These folks are real pros, no doubt.

*Allio* · 04-23-2020, 03:46 AM

Alternate timelines/ universes are a tricky thing for me. Stuff like comic books are no stranger to this (it is one of the reasons it’s hard to get into.) and then you have stuff like Digimon being on it’s third Adventure timeline (if you count V-tamers as a separate thing) and the only thing in the Pokemon anime that excites me is the movie-verse timeline. Heck Pokémon itself has had many alternate universes/timelines (games, anime, movie-verse, Electric tale of pikachu, pocket monsters, Pokemon special, Pokemon diamond and pearl adventures.)

*Andrew NDB* · 04-23-2020, 04:05 AM

To be fair... there's nothing they can really do. The "this needs to be female!" thing is puzzling, but beyond that... what? Something set right after IX? Who would even care about such a thing?

But yeesh. I guess if I were them, I'd make an ensemble TV show starring a lot of the sequel trilogy people. And make them matter and make people care about them, which the movies didn't do. Grow that and grow that and grow that and then... people MIGHT get excited about an Episode X in 10 years. As is, JJ killed Star Wars and Star Trek with the same silver bullet.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2020, 04:06 AM

Alternate timelines work a lot more smoothly in comic books because it's all batsh*t lunacy to begin with. They pretty much invented the trope, so they get a little bit longer leash with it, but even there, most of the time people call "Bullsh*t!" on it immediately.

It just always comes off as so blatantly pandering... 'If you like what we did, consider it canon. If you don't, well... alternate universe, just ignore it." That's so wishy-washy. If you wanna work on an established licensed property, one in which pretty much everyone else has to try and color within the established lines, and the only way your story "works" is if it's completely unfettered and disconnected from everything else, well... you're kinda just writing fanfic, now, ain't ya? And also, preemptively shielding yourself from all criticism by saying "If you don't like it, it didn't happen." Not very brave.

I'unno. As a comic book fan, I'm not entirely adverse to the old "multiverse/alternate timeline" trope, and in fact some of my favorite stories invoke it and put it to good use. But it always, always comes off as just a little bit cheap and cynical, to me. It doesn't always end up that way, but on its face it always comes off as some amateur-level junk writing. Sometimes the stories and execution redeem and justify the idea, and you get Zero Hour... and sometimes, you get Star Trek.

~~Sumac~~ · 04-23-2020, 04:31 AM

So they afraid of tangling with regular canon, despite ruining it already, and decided to establish alternate timeline, where they will be free to do whatever.

I can understand it, but I am afraid all it lead to bashing of Luke, Han and Vader (because they are filthy evil WhIte MAlEs) and creation of worthless female Mary Sues to take their place, because no-one had learned anything from Ghostbusters'16 or Rey Sue herself.

But you know, ideology is more important than quality.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-23-2020, 04:37 AM

I kinda feel bad for Rey. Out of all the new characters, she had the most potential before they completely botched everything. Now her toys don't even sell all that well.

Very few "new" Star Wars characters ever amount to anything, and it's a shame that they finally came up with one who had lots of upside, only to ruin it.

*Voltron* · 04-23-2020, 04:36 AM

To be clear: I'm not against you here. I want to watch a show that's entertaining without some preachy message getting in the way of a good story.

Here's the problem.

In the first article they mentioned:

1. The Mandalorian-which has a male lead and is a great show.

2. The Obi Wan Kenobi series-which has Ewan McGregor as the lead.

3. A Rogue One series with a male lead. This is interesting, because it seems they've replaced the female lead from the film.

Focusing on one series with some liberal tag line that has all the red flags of a "crash and burn" series seems like a waste of energy, man. You don't even have to watch it. This is like refusing to eat a steak restaurant because they have a salad bar.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, you're doing more damage than good for your cause by bringing this to people's attention. The proper way to get rid of this stuff is to not engage with it at all.

If you keep complaining about something, people are going to want to see what's so bad about it. If they see it, that generates profit. If it generates profit, then the market will make more like it.

And, since they were alerted to the product because of the politicization, the idea will gain traction even if or after the show dies.

I'm not even sure this works towards anyone's political ends. All we end up with is ****** movies with uncompelling characters. The overarching message of the new Star Wars sequel is that female characters never face any challenges are thus uninteresting. They could've replaced Rei with a piece of wood and I probably would have to squint to notice.

In the end, this just reeks of manufactured outrage that really doesn't help anyone. I'd be more curious about the "alternate timeline" which is sure to be lame as hell.

Last Ronin · 11-06-2020, 05:10 PM

Woman should stay in the kitchen and leave the fighting to the big boys.

*Sabacooza* · 07-20-2023, 10:51 PM

The Rey movie isn't happening. Neither is the Acolyte. Call it a hunch.

*Andrew NDB* · 07-21-2023, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

The Rey movie isn't happening. Neither is the Acolyte. Call it a hunch.

I think the writers and actors strike will buy enough time for the right people to stop it all. Kathleen Kennedy wanted to push it out the door quickly but now she won't be able to... and now she's in the wake of Indy 5 costing them millions, all due to her decisions and meddling.

~~Sumac~~ · 07-21-2023, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I think the writers and actors strike will buy enough time for the right people to stop it all. Kathleen Kennedy wanted to push it out the door quickly but now she won't be able to... and now she's in the wake of Indy 5 costing them millions, all due to her decisions and meddling.

Sadly expecting her to go down is unrealistic at this point.
Disney gonna dug up Walt's grave faster than fire a useless agenda-driven idiot.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-28-2023, 01:23 PM

*IMJ* · 12-28-2023, 02:53 PM

Cool - I hope they pour a mountain of money into...

*Sabacooza* · 05-30-2024, 11:52 AM

She's like a turd that won't flush.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-30-2024, 03:46 PM

It's really remarkable. Has Bob Iger not had "the talk" with her yet? Because she should have been the first person on his list.

*oldmanwinters* · 05-30-2024, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

She's like a turd that won't flush.

I recommend more fiber in that diet.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-03-2024, 11:27 PM

So... the first two episodes might be OK, then the third episode "kills Star Wars." lol..

https://cosmicbook.news/acolyte-reac...rilGfL_yluYSwr

Oh, and pronouns. Of course.

*oldmanwinters* · 06-04-2024, 08:46 AM

I don't understand this article about the show retcon-ing Luke & Leia as the "first twins" of the franchise:
https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-ac...lain-explained

Has anyone ever claimed the Skywalkers were the first known set of twins in that galaxy?

*Andrew NDB* · 06-04-2024, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I don't understand this article about the show retcon-ing Luke & Leia as the "first twins" of the franchise:
https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-ac...lain-explained

Has anyone ever claimed the Skywalkers were the first known set of twins in that galaxy?

I think Matt is just being snarky about the villain being a "They." Which is understandable on the count of that being a really, really stupid thing.

04-22-2020, 05:14 PM	#1
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	New "female centric" Star Wars TV show in development From the writer and producer of Russian Doll: https://deadline.com/2020/04/new-sta...us-1202915221/ https://screenrant.com/star-wars-tv-...YnKoETwzLuLRQc __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

04-23-2020, 03:46 AM	#3
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	Alternate timelines/ universes are a tricky thing for me. Stuff like comic books are no stranger to this (it is one of the reasons it’s hard to get into.) and then you have stuff like Digimon being on it’s third Adventure timeline (if you count V-tamers as a separate thing) and the only thing in the Pokemon anime that excites me is the movie-verse timeline. Heck Pokémon itself has had many alternate universes/timelines (games, anime, movie-verse, Electric tale of pikachu, pocket monsters, Pokemon special, Pokemon diamond and pearl adventures.) __________________ Last edited by Allio; 04-23-2020 at 04:02 AM.

04-23-2020, 04:05 AM	#4
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	To be fair... there's nothing they can really do. The "this needs to be female!" thing is puzzling, but beyond that... what? Something set right after IX? Who would even care about such a thing? But yeesh. I guess if I were them, I'd make an ensemble TV show starring a lot of the sequel trilogy people. And make them matter and make people care about them, which the movies didn't do. Grow that and grow that and grow that and then... people MIGHT get excited about an Episode X in 10 years. As is, JJ killed Star Wars and Star Trek with the same silver bullet. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

04-23-2020, 04:36 AM	#8
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	To be clear: I'm not against you here. I want to watch a show that's entertaining without some preachy message getting in the way of a good story. Here's the problem. In the first article they mentioned: 1. The Mandalorian-which has a male lead and is a great show. 2. The Obi Wan Kenobi series-which has Ewan McGregor as the lead. 3. A Rogue One series with a male lead. This is interesting, because it seems they've replaced the female lead from the film. Focusing on one series with some liberal tag line that has all the red flags of a "crash and burn" series seems like a waste of energy, man. You don't even have to watch it. This is like refusing to eat a steak restaurant because they have a salad bar. Also, and I can't stress this enough, you're doing more damage than good for your cause by bringing this to people's attention. The proper way to get rid of this stuff is to not engage with it at all. If you keep complaining about something, people are going to want to see what's so bad about it. If they see it, that generates profit. If it generates profit, then the market will make more like it. And, since they were alerted to the product because of the politicization, the idea will gain traction even if or after the show dies. I'm not even sure this works towards anyone's political ends. All we end up with is ****** movies with uncompelling characters. The overarching message of the new Star Wars sequel is that female characters never face any challenges are thus uninteresting. They could've replaced Rei with a piece of wood and I probably would have to squint to notice. In the end, this just reeks of manufactured outrage that really doesn't help anyone. I'd be more curious about the "alternate timeline" which is sure to be lame as hell. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

12-28-2023, 01:23 PM	#13
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04-23-2020, 02:48 AM	#2
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	EDIT: Oh, great the ol' "alternate timeline" razzmatazz. AKA, "We'll just fling sht at the wall, and if you don't like it, it doesn't count." A masterful tool of storytelling, and indicative of people who really* care a lot and know what they're doing, as shown countless times by such timeless and acclaimed film series as X-Men, Terminator, Star Trek, etc. Certainly never a crutch used by hacks who've written themselves into a corner. Pshaw. Pshaw and Phooey. These folks are real pros, no doubt.

04-23-2020, 04:06 AM	#5
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Alternate timelines work a lot more smoothly in comic books because it's all batsht lunacy to begin with. They pretty much invented the trope, so they get a little bit longer leash with it, but even there, most of the time people call "Bullsht!" on it immediately. It just always comes off as so blatantly pandering... 'If you like what we did, consider it canon. If you don't, well... alternate universe, just ignore it." That's so wishy-washy. If you wanna work on an established licensed property, one in which pretty much everyone else has to try and color within the established lines, and the only way your story "works" is if it's completely unfettered and disconnected from everything else, well... you're kinda just writing fanfic, now, ain't ya? And also, preemptively shielding yourself from all criticism by saying "If you don't like it, it didn't happen." Not very brave. I'unno. As a comic book fan, I'm not entirely adverse to the old "multiverse/alternate timeline" trope, and in fact some of my favorite stories invoke it and put it to good use. But it always, always comes off as just a little bit cheap and cynical, to me. It doesn't always end up that way, but on its face it always comes off as some amateur-level junk writing. Sometimes the stories and execution redeem and justify the idea, and you get Zero Hour... and sometimes, you get Star Trek.

04-23-2020, 04:31 AM	#6
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	So they afraid of tangling with regular canon, despite ruining it already, and decided to establish alternate timeline, where they will be free to do whatever. I can understand it, but I am afraid all it lead to bashing of Luke, Han and Vader (because they are filthy evil WhIte MAlEs) and creation of worthless female Mary Sues to take their place, because no-one had learned anything from Ghostbusters'16 or Rey Sue herself. But you know, ideology is more important than quality.

04-23-2020, 04:37 AM	#7
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I kinda feel bad for Rey. Out of all the new characters, she had the most potential before they completely botched everything. Now her toys don't even sell all that well. Very few "new" Star Wars characters ever amount to anything, and it's a shame that they finally came up with one who had lots of upside, only to ruin it.

11-06-2020, 05:10 PM	#9
Last Ronin Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 415	Woman should stay in the kitchen and leave the fighting to the big boys.

07-20-2023, 10:51 PM	#10
Sabacooza Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,994	The Rey movie isn't happening. Neither is the Acolyte. Call it a hunch.

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05-30-2024, 11:52 AM	#15
Sabacooza Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,994	She's like a turd that won't flush.

05-30-2024, 03:46 PM	#16
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	It's really remarkable. Has Bob Iger not had "the talk" with her yet? Because she should have been the first person on his list. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

06-03-2024, 11:27 PM	#18
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	So... the first two episodes might be OK, then the third episode "kills Star Wars." lol.. https://cosmicbook.news/acolyte-reac...rilGfL_yluYSwr Oh, and pronouns. Of course. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

06-04-2024, 08:46 AM	#19
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,508	I don't understand this article about the show retcon-ing Luke & Leia as the "first twins" of the franchise: https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-ac...lain-explained Has anyone ever claimed the Skywalkers were the first known set of twins in that galaxy? __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items! Last edited by oldmanwinters; 06-04-2024 at 09:21 AM.