Predator 5

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There really isn't any redeeming Terminator. And after two failed attempts, Arnold is now too old to even be of any use to a new installment. Though they should have moved past him a long time ago.

And what would you even do? Continue from Genisys? Continue from Dark Fate? Pretend 3-6 never happened again? Remake the original? These are all bad options.

My brother and I were talking about how to add something new to the Terminator franchise recently and we thought why not go back farther in time. The very rough idea we were throwing around was that Arnold as a human is a sort of a an aging Nikola Tesla type in say the early 1920’s or 30’s and is responsible for the beginnings of the robotics and technology that lead to cyberdine. He’s essentially thought of as an old eccentric inventor that most people choose to ignore.

I know there’s major holes but we were bored and just spitballing.

Then it’s the human resistance that goes back in time to kill human Arnold in an effort to prevent his “technology” from ever evolving and becoming what it became. And if you want to throw in a cybernetic organism then you could have sky net send a Terminator to protect him against the humans trying to kill him.

That’s about all we had and of course I’m not sure how you take an idea like that and somehow make the resistance the bad guy and cyberdine and sky net the good guy.

Feel free to laugh and tear apart my idea or ignore it all together!

[AquaParade]

Yeah, I think you’d have to reboot it at this point. That’s not all that detrimental to me, considering the sequels past 2 have all been negligible. What’s cool about Terminator is the general concept, not the ever-expanding lore.

I’m not saying they should make more Terminator films, but they will, and so they should take the best approach.

I definitely think rebooting while going back to the lower-budget feel is a better idea than yet another sequel to the mess they’ve been building.

Terminator reboot is actually almost an exciting idea imo. I’d love to get back to just a menacing metallic robot from the future hunting someone down throughout grimy, dark streets. The Terminator design is great. I also think a light science-fiction touch will be refreshing after how much of the future timeline and advanced Terminators we’ve seen at this point.

Take everything back to formula.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

My brother and I were talking about how to add something new to the Terminator franchise recently and we thought why not go back farther in time. The very rough idea we were throwing around was that Arnold as a human is a sort of a an aging Nikola Tesla type in say the early 1920’s or 30’s and is responsible for the beginnings of the robotics and technology that lead to cyberdine. He’s essentially thought of as an old eccentric inventor that most people choose to ignore.

I know there’s major holes but we were bored and just spitballing.

Then it’s the human resistance that goes back in time to kill human Arnold in an effort to prevent his “technology” from ever evolving and becoming what it became. And if you want to throw in a cybernetic organism then you could have sky net send a Terminator to protect him against the humans trying to kill him.

That’s about all we had and of course I’m not sure how you take an idea like that and somehow make the resistance the bad guy and cyberdine and sky net the good guy.

Feel free to laugh and tear apart my idea or ignore it all together!

I mean, it's not a bad elevator pitch. With a decent enough script that could be pretty OK.

I guess the only way forward I'd see if they were so inclined (and they likely wouldn't be) is just the ultimate Future War movie. DON'T set it up as a trilogy because who knows. Like, John Connor in 2029 and the final showdown with SkyNET. Ignore Genisys and Dark Fate. Salvation COULD have happened but it wouldn't matter here. Big Saving Private Ryan-style affair in the post-apocalyptic robot killing machine future. Maybe at the end before he sends Reese back to 1984 he gets some glimpse into SkyNET's knowledge banks and he witnesses all these other f***ed up timelines, like the Genisys f***ery and the future of Dark Fate, and in addition to Reese going back to meet his mom, arms Reese with new information about how to stop all of these possible timelines from happening and closing the loop before it ever begins.

I think that'd be satisfying. And yeah, some cameos of CGI-de-aged Arnold, Robert Patrick and Kristanna Loken as TechCOM fighters that get captured by the Terminators. That'd really bring us full circle.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Sumac

If it is a good movie, as people say, I am pleasantly surprised. After "Predator looking for Autism" from 2018, I thought this franchise had fallen on the level of Terminator, but it seems, there is still some hope.

It has a lot going for it and it captured a pre-settled America very well and the development of the girl and Comanche culture were captured in really compelling ways. Anything in it that someone might point out as woke $#!( is really only in correlation with the timing of this movie's release, rather than some kind of overt assault. When the Comanche girl finally gets to deliver her war cry you are happy for her amidst a battle where you also don't lose any respect for the Predator when he loses.

On it's own merits it's a very solid flick with likable characters. Give it a watch if you are inclined. It's worth giving the documented-dollar-"click" to for sure.

[CyberCubed]

It's hard to believe a Native American savage from the late 1700's can hold her own against an alien who has apparently been fighting since birth as part of its natural species. The way she was jumping under him and slashing his legs and chest in the final scene and the Predator not able to kill her dog of all things was a bit silly.

Also why were they all speaking English when the French were there? Was that accurate for late 1700 America? Would the Indians even know English at that point?

I mean these same Native Americans all died from smallpox and were hounded from their homes by the white man for the next 100 years yet here not only the girl but some of her friends were able to go toe to toe with the Predator before going down?

I know you always have to suspend your disbelief when normal humans can beat alien warriors in hand to hand combat but still.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's hard to believe a Native American savage from the late 1700's can hold her own against an alien who has apparently been fighting since birth as part of its natural species. The way she was jumping under him and slashing his legs and chest in the final scene and the Predator not able to kill her dog of all things was a bit silly.

Also why were they all speaking English when the French were there? Was that accurate for late 1700 America? Would the Indians even know English at that point?

I mean these same Native Americans all died from smallpox and were hounded from their homes by the white man for the next 100 years yet here not only the girl but some of her friends were able to go toe to toe with the Predator before going down?

I know you always have to suspend your disbelief when normal humans can beat alien warriors in hand to hand combat but still.

They were speaking English mostly throughout the film because a creative decision was made by the filmmakers to limit native language because they know Americans in general and especially those that watch content at 1.5 speed hate to read subtitles!

They also wanted the white men in the film to be as 2 dimensional and un-relatable as possible so it wasn’t really all that important that we understand exactly what they were saying because it was simple enough to figure it out through context!

[Mayhem]

But if you so wish, there is a Comanche language soundtrack with English subtitles. Weirdly enough, none of the French is subtitled heh.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

But if you so wish, there is a Comanche language soundtrack with English subtitles. Weirdly enough, none of the French is subtitled heh.

The director doesn't want you to know what they say because the main character doesn't know what they say.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There really isn't any redeeming Terminator. And after two failed attempts, Arnold is now too old to even be of any use to a new installment. Though they should have moved past him a long time ago.

And what would you even do? Continue from Genisys? Continue from Dark Fate? Pretend 3-6 never happened again? Remake the original? These are all bad options.

Like anything, that is not tied to Connor or T800.
Day in the life of Resistance somewhere or story about Skynet testing new terminators...Terminator universe is bigger than John Connor and shouldn't use him or Arnie T800 as a crutch for every occasion.

[Andrew NDB]

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's hard to believe a Native American savage from the late 1700's can hold her own

I mean these same Native Americans all died from smallpox and were hounded from their homes by the white man for the next 100 years yet here not only the girl but some of her friends were able to go toe to toe with the Predator before going down?

Sometimes I actually want to meet you face to face out of morbid curiosity to find out how close you are in real life to the character you play here on the forums.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Sometimes I actually want to meet you face to face out of morbid curiosity to find out how close you are in real life to the character you play here on the forums.

I just picture Dwight Schrute.

[IMJ]

[Allio]

Simple yet effective. As someone that has been critical on the predator franchise as a whole, I find that the movie passed for me.

[Andrew NDB]

https://movieweb.com/amber-midthunde...box=1661791255

"I think a lot of people thought our movie would be some super-woke, F-the-patriarchy kind of a story, and that's not what it's about at all. It's not a girl defying what men say she can and can't do."

But...

[ZariusTwo]

An Alien vs Predator anime series was produced and completed years ago, but Disney will seemingly never release it

https://www.cbr.com/disney-aliens-vs...-wont-release/

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

An Alien vs Predator anime series was produced and completed years ago, but Disney will seemingly never release it

https://www.cbr.com/disney-aliens-vs...-wont-release/

Oh, I want to see this trainwreck!