Star Wars: Episode IX - Page 50

*IMJ* · 12-10-2019, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Stated a measurable fact?

Seriously, it's in the bag and I'll just leave it at that before the thread gets locked.

Cancel culture. The leftist answer to loss.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-10-2019, 08:18 PM

So now I'm hearing on fairly good authority...

Spoiler:

~~Leo656~~ · 12-10-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Read the spoiler summaries of the climax of the movie.

All I can say is this sounds like the worst fanfiction imaginable. And I had high hopes.

Link me bruh. I love Spoilers and I kinda want this movie to suck!

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-10-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IMJ

Cancel culture. The leftist answer to loss.

How's that impeachment going? ;o)

I kind of feel like the younger stars, like Daisy, just don't care. and either are having words put in their mouth by disney in these 'articles' (did we even see them get interviewed, or is it just text?), or are covering all their bases to survive in this version of hollywood. ugh.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-10-2019, 08:39 PM

I think it was Anthony Hopkins who recently said in an interview, something to the effect of, "Nobody should ever ask an actor or a celebrity about politics or world events. We're all rather stupid and we live in a bubble." I'm paraphrasing, but it was 99% that, and God Bless Him for it, too.

*sdp* · 12-10-2019, 08:52 PM

There's interviews of Boyega criticizing fin's arc in the 3 movies.

There's an interview where Daisy Ridley wasn't woke enough in an answer and was being criticized by progressives. Eating their own as usual.

The Trump comment of Ridley is not necessary here in this thread or in general when discussing Star Wars though, meh I completely agree with her and think it's ridiculous people even rage about that.

Too close for the movie to come out so I'll be avoiding spoilers, but will post them here after the midnight premier. I think I won't be watching all 8 movies to prepare for it, not even 7 and 8. Still excited, still the end of an era. I'm just going in with expectations that it'll be a half assed attempt at closing the trilogy and the 9 movies somehow but at least an attempt.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-10-2019, 09:14 PM

Episode THREE felt like an end of an era. complete with the opening remix of the skywalker theme, with drum bass and all.

THIS feels like bad fan fiction done by the writers of twilight.

no emotional impact at all.

*sdp* · 12-10-2019, 09:23 PM

Episode III was horrible that ruined plenty of things that made Star Wars great, easily the worst of the prequels. It has its moments but after watching III my love of Star Wars died for a long while.

It's the end of an era because the original actors are pretty much done, anything star wars after this will feel like fan fiction. Even if these movies were bad at least they were continuing the story with some credibility (started by Lucas, original actors, originally meant to be 9 movies etc).

The difference between the prequels and the sequels is the prequels at least tried something new, this just badly rehashed the originals and went nowhere. Still hoping this movie does something good.

can't wait to see my meltdown after watching it

~~Leo656~~ · 12-10-2019, 09:36 PM

Aside from "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" and "Lost the will to live", I can't find much wrong with Ep. III. It's the only Prequel that even superficially resembles a movie instead of a toy commercial. And I generally enjoy I and II more than most people, they're just kinda obviously Not Too Good for lots of reasons.

That said, with the originals all over cable lately, I can safely say that once you hit a certain age and have seen them all enough times... Star Wars was never actually amazing, not even the originals, outside of the fact that they literally reinvented how movies are made. And they deserve all the credit in the world for that. But as actual "movies", the plots and characters and especially the dialogue... Oof.

Fanboys raged when Lucas said something like, "It's just a fairy-tale for young children", but... That's exactly what it is. A lot of people projected a lot of nuance and texture and meaning into it over many years, mostly to justify their own semi-irrational obsession with it once they were past the "appropriate" age for it, but the truth is, it's a confection, always was.

20-year old me would be extremely pissed off at someone pointing that out, but it's all pretty easy to see now.

*IMJ* · 12-10-2019, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Aside from "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" and "Lost the will to live", I can't find much wrong with Ep. III.

In a perfect world, Episode I wouldn't have existed, Episode II and III would've shifted down and Rogue One would've been Episode III with some more Vader and Kenobi thrown in for good measure.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-10-2019, 10:15 PM

Eh, maybe.

I feel like making Ep. I take place so early in Anakin's life was kind of important to reinforce the narrative that even the most pure and innocent people could be seduced by "The Dark Side" and that it's all really just a matter of circumstance. If we meet him later on in life, some of that would be diluted. Like of course he'd be surly and angsty if we first meet him as a teenager, he's a teenager. Going from Angry Teen to Sith Lord isn't much of a character arc; it's barely even a hop. I know that what people wanted more than anything was a whole movie focused JUST on Darth Vader, in costume, hunting the Jedi to extinction, but while that may have been fun it also seems a bit like overkill in the grand scheme of things.

I think the story the Prequels told was essentially fine, I just think the terrible acting (especially from the actors who played the Main Character, Anakin) turned people off. The entire story of his Rise and Fall across three movies was completely fine by me as-written; I just think the performance robbed the script of any gravitas.

I wouldn't honestly have changed much. I'm convinced that in a vault somewhere, there's alternate cuts of every single scene where the acting and delivery is NOT terrible, and if those takes were spliced in the movies would be just fine. The biggest problem with all of them is that Lucas has a terrible ear for dialogue and was openly disinterested in any scene that wasn't all CGI. I think the stories themselves are fine, however.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-10-2019, 11:08 PM

It seems like a copout answer, but there's good reason to believe the "shoddy acting" and even a lot of the... somewhat strange dialogue choices were at least somewhat intentional. George has gone on about how the prequels were supposed to be like 50s pulpy things and that's exactly how those were. I'd still take any of the prequels over the new ones, even Rogue One and Solo.

Pretty stupid they're so embarrassed by the prequels (but not their own shenanigans) that we can't even see Coruscant again. Just Tatooine, over and over again.

*Xav* · 12-11-2019, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Link me bruh. I love Spoilers and I kinda want this movie to suck!

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...alker_updated/

~~Sumac~~ · 12-11-2019, 10:45 AM

I think prequels are fine as far the story goes. They really tell an interesting story.
Two things that make them bad are: stilted acting / horrid dialogues and over reliance on the CGI.

I find Episode 1 the closest to the originals in tone, but that's might because I absolutely can't stand Aniken's actor in 2 and 3.

And so far spoilers to the TROS make it sound like it will rot-s.

On the other hand, it's not like they can fix this trainwreck. It would require to completely change Rey as a character, and make her an actual character instead of boring "role model" Mary Sue, remove "Rebels" and "Empire" pastiches, pretend that TLJ never had happened.

As of now they just want to steer this burning train into the lake, to buy some time before inevitable Episode X, but they might just ride right into barrels of gasoline.

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-11-2019, 11:30 AM

As a pretty casual Star Wars fan, who has seen all the films at least once, if not two or three times, I find The Force Awakens to be my favorite.

I'm not sure if that's blasphemy to hardcore fans or what, but I just find it the most compelling to watch. The original trilogy is easily the most impressive to me, because of the groundbreaking and innovation, and the practical effects are just a joy to look at, even today, but for pure entertainment, I really enjoy the visuals, story, and pacing of The Force Awakens.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-11-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

As a pretty casual Star Wars fan, who has seen all the films at least once, if not two or three times, I find The Force Awakens to be my favorite.

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-11-2019, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

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But they're all so goofy. I mean, the original trilogy is innovative, but on a pure narrative level, I find it to be dreadfully dull.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-11-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

storY of The Force Awakens.

But the story was episode IV.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-11-2019, 01:07 PM

That's a bit of an oversimplification. They also ripped off big chunks of Ep. V, including using the torture droid scene not once, but twice!

I get why some people like or even prefer the "razzle-dazzle" of TFA, but it really has no identity of its own. And one could argue that it doesn't exactly take a genius to produce an "All Killer, No Filler" remix of something that's already been popular for decades. The "work" of deconstructing the Good, Bad and Ugly of Star Wars movies had already been done, all Abrams and Disney did was make a movie that embraced everything The Internet said they liked and avoided everything they said they didn't.

I seem to enjoy it more than most people, although I've had zero desire to watch it in years and haven't even bothered to buy it, yet. But it's pretty lazy, altogether. Anybody could have made it and it feels like it was Focus Grouped into existence.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-11-2019, 01:10 PM

I put together a cut of the film where Han lived..if anyone wants to see it, just ask via PM

12-10-2019, 08:18 PM	#982
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	So now I'm hearing on fairly good authority... Spoiler: That Kylo sacrifices his "life essence" to bring back a dead Rey. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-10-2019, 08:52 PM	#986
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	There's interviews of Boyega criticizing fin's arc in the 3 movies. There's an interview where Daisy Ridley wasn't woke enough in an answer and was being criticized by progressives. Eating their own as usual. The Trump comment of Ridley is not necessary here in this thread or in general when discussing Star Wars though, meh I completely agree with her and think it's ridiculous people even rage about that. Too close for the movie to come out so I'll be avoiding spoilers, but will post them here after the midnight premier. I think I won't be watching all 8 movies to prepare for it, not even 7 and 8. Still excited, still the end of an era. I'm just going in with expectations that it'll be a half assed attempt at closing the trilogy and the 9 movies somehow but at least an attempt. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-10-2019, 09:23 PM	#988
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Episode III was horrible that ruined plenty of things that made Star Wars great, easily the worst of the prequels. It has its moments but after watching III my love of Star Wars died for a long while. It's the end of an era because the original actors are pretty much done, anything star wars after this will feel like fan fiction. Even if these movies were bad at least they were continuing the story with some credibility (started by Lucas, original actors, originally meant to be 9 movies etc). The difference between the prequels and the sequels is the prequels at least tried something new, this just badly rehashed the originals and went nowhere. Still hoping this movie does something good. can't wait to see my meltdown after watching it __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-10-2019, 11:08 PM	#992
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	It seems like a copout answer, but there's good reason to believe the "shoddy acting" and even a lot of the... somewhat strange dialogue choices were at least somewhat intentional. George has gone on about how the prequels were supposed to be like 50s pulpy things and that's exactly how those were. I'd still take any of the prequels over the new ones, even Rogue One and Solo. Pretty stupid they're so embarrassed by the prequels (but not their own shenanigans) that we can't even see Coruscant again. Just Tatooine, over and over again. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-11-2019, 01:10 PM	#1000
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	I put together a cut of the film where Han lived..if anyone wants to see it, just ask via PM __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

12-10-2019, 08:39 PM	#985
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I think it was Anthony Hopkins who recently said in an interview, something to the effect of, "Nobody should ever ask an actor or a celebrity about politics or world events. We're all rather stupid and we live in a bubble." I'm paraphrasing, but it was 99% that, and God Bless Him for it, too.

12-10-2019, 09:14 PM	#987
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	Episode THREE felt like an end of an era. complete with the opening remix of the skywalker theme, with drum bass and all. THIS feels like bad fan fiction done by the writers of twilight. no emotional impact at all.

12-10-2019, 09:36 PM	#989
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Aside from "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" and "Lost the will to live", I can't find much wrong with Ep. III. It's the only Prequel that even superficially resembles a movie instead of a toy commercial. And I generally enjoy I and II more than most people, they're just kinda obviously Not Too Good for lots of reasons. That said, with the originals all over cable lately, I can safely say that once you hit a certain age and have seen them all enough times... Star Wars was never actually amazing, not even the originals, outside of the fact that they literally reinvented how movies are made. And they deserve all the credit in the world for that. But as actual "movies", the plots and characters and especially the dialogue... Oof. Fanboys raged when Lucas said something like, "It's just a fairy-tale for young children", but... That's exactly what it is. A lot of people projected a lot of nuance and texture and meaning into it over many years, mostly to justify their own semi-irrational obsession with it once they were past the "appropriate" age for it, but the truth is, it's a confection, always was. 20-year old me would be extremely pissed off at someone pointing that out, but it's all pretty easy to see now.

12-10-2019, 10:15 PM	#991
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Eh, maybe. I feel like making Ep. I take place so early in Anakin's life was kind of important to reinforce the narrative that even the most pure and innocent people could be seduced by "The Dark Side" and that it's all really just a matter of circumstance. If we meet him later on in life, some of that would be diluted. Like of course he'd be surly and angsty if we first meet him as a teenager, he's a teenager. Going from Angry Teen to Sith Lord isn't much of a character arc; it's barely even a hop. I know that what people wanted more than anything was a whole movie focused JUST on Darth Vader, in costume, hunting the Jedi to extinction, but while that may have been fun it also seems a bit like overkill in the grand scheme of things. I think the story the Prequels told was essentially fine, I just think the terrible acting (especially from the actors who played the Main Character, Anakin) turned people off. The entire story of his Rise and Fall across three movies was completely fine by me as-written; I just think the performance robbed the script of any gravitas. I wouldn't honestly have changed much. I'm convinced that in a vault somewhere, there's alternate cuts of every single scene where the acting and delivery is NOT terrible, and if those takes were spliced in the movies would be just fine. The biggest problem with all of them is that Lucas has a terrible ear for dialogue and was openly disinterested in any scene that wasn't all CGI. I think the stories themselves are fine, however.

12-11-2019, 10:45 AM	#994
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	I think prequels are fine as far the story goes. They really tell an interesting story. Two things that make them bad are: stilted acting / horrid dialogues and over reliance on the CGI. I find Episode 1 the closest to the originals in tone, but that's might because I absolutely can't stand Aniken's actor in 2 and 3. And so far spoilers to the TROS make it sound like it will rot-s. On the other hand, it's not like they can fix this trainwreck. It would require to completely change Rey as a character, and make her an actual character instead of boring "role model" Mary Sue, remove "Rebels" and "Empire" pastiches, pretend that TLJ never had happened. As of now they just want to steer this burning train into the lake, to buy some time before inevitable Episode X, but they might just ride right into barrels of gasoline.

12-11-2019, 11:30 AM	#995
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	As a pretty casual Star Wars fan, who has seen all the films at least once, if not two or three times, I find The Force Awakens to be my favorite. I'm not sure if that's blasphemy to hardcore fans or what, but I just find it the most compelling to watch. The original trilogy is easily the most impressive to me, because of the groundbreaking and innovation, and the practical effects are just a joy to look at, even today, but for pure entertainment, I really enjoy the visuals, story, and pacing of The Force Awakens.

12-11-2019, 01:07 PM	#999
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	That's a bit of an oversimplification. They also ripped off big chunks of Ep. V, including using the torture droid scene not once, but twice! I get why some people like or even prefer the "razzle-dazzle" of TFA, but it really has no identity of its own. And one could argue that it doesn't exactly take a genius to produce an "All Killer, No Filler" remix of something that's already been popular for decades. The "work" of deconstructing the Good, Bad and Ugly of Star Wars movies had already been done, all Abrams and Disney did was make a movie that embraced everything The Internet said they liked and avoided everything they said they didn't. I seem to enjoy it more than most people, although I've had zero desire to watch it in years and haven't even bothered to buy it, yet. But it's pretty lazy, altogether. Anybody could have made it and it feels like it was Focus Grouped into existence.