DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[ZariusTwo]

If I may go slightly off-topic

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Absolutely true. Nemesis was a horrific Star Trek movie, and Insurrection before it wasn't exactly Gone With the Wind either (and I'm not even sure "First Contact" is really the gem a lot of us remember it to be)

Prior to Red Letter Media 'exposing' it a decade ago, I think First Contact worked for the time it was made. It got a lot of kids into the TNG crew on the big screen more so than Generations managed, but it was also lightning in a bottle that they wasted years of Voyager trying to recapture. Even Picard season three ended up being "see this is the First Contact sequel you always wanted". If you weren't still too cosy with First Contact, I don't know how much mileage you can get out of that (and I know you wanted more of a Dominion War follow-up with that)

First Contact came out just before the Trek bubble was about to burst and was at the peak of the franchise in the 90s. Voyager was fresh, DS9 seemed primed to have the torch passed to it theatrically...but that's the thing, the latter didn't happen. I think if the next movie had been a Dominion-themed TNG/DS9 crossover they'd have maintained momentum.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Prior to Red Letter Media 'exposing' it a decade ago, I think First Contact worked for the time it was made. It got a lot of kids into the TNG crew on the big screen more so than Generations managed, but it was also lightning in a bottle that they wasted years of Voyager trying to recapture.

I'd agree. Looking back on First Contact I realize it was heavily flawed... but man... as a kid back then just dipping his toe into Star Trek with maybe 20 TNG episodes under my belt and the TOS movies and that's it... it was all pretty damned exciting.

Even Picard season three ended up being "see this is the First Contact sequel you always wanted". If you weren't still too cosy with First Contact, I don't know how much mileage you can get out of that (and I know you wanted more of a Dominion War follow-up with that)

Maybe. I see Picard season 3, taken as a whole, as the TOS movie-quality movie we never really got with the TNG ones.

First Contact came out just before the Trek bubble was about to burst and was at the peak of the franchise in the 90s. Voyager was fresh, DS9 seemed primed to have the torch passed to it theatrically...but that's the thing, the latter didn't happen. I think if the next movie had been a Dominion-themed TNG/DS9 crossover they'd have maintained momentum.

The only problems with Star Trek around that time was that VOY was just pulling old TNG scripts out of the drawers that got rejected, dusting them off, and repurposing them as Delta Quadrant stuff. And you could tell. And then ENT even did the same thing. And the TNG movies kept getting cheaper and lamer.

But yeah, at the time? As a kid? I was totally fantasizing about a new TNG movie endcapping the Dominion War. It would have been epic. But I totally get why that didn't happen, even if they wanted it to.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

According to the director, the only reason the movie failed was because people don't like the Flash.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-fla...why-it-failed/

ya people don't like the flash that's why he got a 9 season show on the CW and a 1 season show on CBS back in the 80's

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

According to the director, the only reason the movie failed was because people don't like the Flash.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-fla...why-it-failed/

People like the Flash, they just don’t like Erza Miller.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd agree. Looking back on First Contact I realize it was heavily flawed... but man... as a kid back then just dipping his toe into Star Trek with maybe 20 TNG episodes under my belt and the TOS movies and that's it... it was all pretty damned exciting.
Maybe. I see Picard season 3, taken as a whole, as the TOS movie-quality movie we never really got with the TNG ones.
The only problems with Star Trek around that time was that VOY was just pulling old TNG scripts out of the drawers that got rejected, dusting them off, and repurposing them as Delta Quadrant stuff. And you could tell. And then ENT even did the same thing. And the TNG movies kept getting cheaper and lamer.
But yeah, at the time? As a kid? I was totally fantasizing about a new TNG movie endcapping the Dominion War. It would have been epic. But I totally get why that didn't happen, even if they wanted it to.

My biggest gripe with First Contact is the introduction of the Borg Queen. Totally Nerfs the borg as a singular entity. I think keep Alice Krige, cast her as Gerodi’s number one in Engineering. Have her be the first be assimilated and a “spokes” borg (much like Locutus and Seven). Rest of the movie carries on, as is.

Insurrection should have been TNG vs the Dominion. Sorry, but **** Patrick Stewart, he had too much creative input in the TNG movies. Would love a TNG/D9 team-up movie, but I can imagine with doing 26 episodes a year and a movie would be too much for the DS9 team.
(IIRC correctly the first X-files movie was made between seasons 4 and 5 to be released after season 5, so lots of pre-planning to line things up. Also Season 5 was cut from down from 24 to 20 episodes. Similar Timeframe)

Nemesis, blah, the 10th flim should’ve been the Enterprise vs Voyager!!! Voyager was off the air, the cast were available.
Voyager’s home, but Section 31 want all the Borg/ future/Delta tech for themselves. So, Section 31 creates a scenario where Voyager become fugitives. (OMG They finally make it home, only to have to go on the run. Not welcomed home at all). Starfleet send the Enterprise to hunt down Voyager, but both crews unite to defeat Section 31.

Going forward ideally you would have a new Trek movie every year, rotating between the 3 crews.

So easy in hindsight, sadly Patrick Stewart just wanted to be a horny old man and make out with Doc Ock’s wife from Spider-Man 2.

[IMJ]

That's some pretty awesome Trek speculation there....

Originally Posted by member_removed

My biggest gripe with First Contact is the introduction of the Borg Queen. Totally Nerfs the borg as a singular entity. I think keep Alice Krige, cast her as Gerodi’s number one in Engineering. Have her be the first be assimilated and a “spokes” borg (much like Locutus and Seven). Rest of the movie carries on, as is.

I don't hate the Borg Queen concept, but that would have been an interesting direction somewhat more aligned with the existing Borg mythology at the time. Maybe they do what you said there and have her sort of "go Hugh" where she arises to become a Borg queen that previously didn't exist.

Originally Posted by member_removed

Insurrection should have been TNG vs the Dominion. Sorry, but **** Patrick Stewart, he had too much creative input in the TNG movies. Would love a TNG/D9 team-up movie, but I can imagine with doing 26 episodes a year and a movie would be too much for the DS9 team.

So I love Insurrection for the hours of unoffensive Trek with some action - very much a glorified episode rather than a feature film.

But with that said, yeah man a Dominion movie would have been relevant for the time and probably much more cinematic. The "go against the evil cell in Star Fleet" is honestly not something I ever need to see again in Trek. Ever.

Originally Posted by member_removed

Nemesis, blah, the 10th flim should’ve been the Enterprise vs Voyager!!! Voyager was off the air, the cast were available.
Voyager’s home, but Section 31 want all the Borg/ future/Delta tech for themselves. So, Section 31 creates a scenario where Voyager become fugitives. (OMG They finally make it home, only to have to go on the run. Not welcomed home at all). Starfleet send the Enterprise to hunt down Voyager, but both crews unite to defeat Section 31.

Here's the thing about Nemesis (and I get the feeling you already know this, but....) - Nemesis was intended to be the first part of a trilogy that ended TNG on film. Hence the movie poster saying "A Generation's Final Journey Begins" rather than "A Generation's Final Journey".

And so I like to think that Nemesis would be looked on more fondly had that trilogy played out. But as-is? Anything would be better than the dismal Nemesis and depressing ending. STP Season 3 I think REALLY delivered on a farewell that I can live with because for years Nemesis was like that relationship that needs to end and everyone knew it, but the way it was done was devastating and never delivered a sense of closure.

Originally Posted by member_removed

Going forward ideally you would have a new Trek movie every year, rotating between the 3 crews.

Sort of on that note - I've said for years that a great Star Trek series on T.V. would spend a season in each era of Trek that we've seen so far. Sort of like an anthology, but focus on a different crew and era for each season, and maybe tie them all together at the end. Something akin to American Horror Story, but with Trek. They could even do an Enterprise-J season, OMG

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Sort of on that note - I've said for years that a great Star Trek series on T.V. would spend a season in each era of Trek that we've seen so far. Sort of like an anthology, but focus on a different crew and era for each season, and maybe tie them all together at the end. Something akin to American Horror Story, but with Trek. They could even do an Enterprise-J season, OMG

That was exactly the original plan for Star Trek: Discovery under then-showrunner Bryan Fuller. Every season was going to be a different era of Star Trek.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That was exactly the original plan for Star Trek: Discovery under then-showrunner Bryan Fuller. Every season was going to be a different era of Star Trek.

They should have done it! Instead they dug-in on a woke $#!( show that had to be retconned out of any canon by a two second gag in a cartoon.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

According to the director, the only reason the movie failed was because people don't like the Flash.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-fla...why-it-failed/

Insane.

If you had told me 15-20 year ago that there would be a theatrical Flash film coming out in the future, but I wouldn't be bothered to go see it... I would have assumed I died young lol.

(But this applies to many things. Other DC stuff, TMNT, Star Wars, Marvel, LotR. To a lesser extent Ghosbusters, but I do want to catch Frozen Empire eventually.)

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I do want to catch Frozen Empire eventually.)

It wasn't technically bad but... that movie made me feel sad coming out of it. Sad because I knew that yeah, we might get some bullsh** animated spinoff crap (and we are) still, but that I'd just watched the end and last best chance of seeing any kind of meaningful continuation of the OG Ghostbusters.

They blew it. That's that.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It wasn't technically bad but... that movie made me feel sad coming out of it. Sad because I knew that yeah, we might get some bullsh** animated spinoff crap (and we are) still, but that I'd just watched the end and last best chance of seeing any kind of meaningful continuation of the OG Ghostbusters.

They blew it. That's that.

Hmm. Maybe I'll just leave it at Afterlife. I think that was a nice ending and you can just let your imagination take care of where Winston took the company from there.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Hmm. Maybe I'll just leave it at Afterlife. I think that was a nice ending and you can just let your imagination take care of where Winston took the company from there.

That's probably best, honestly. Which isn't to say that Frozen Empire doesn't have its moments... it's just overall a big mess with nothing meaningful given to the OGs, especially Peter.

Everything I could have wondered after Afterlife about, "Will we see Oscar?" "Will we see Venkman and Dana enjoying married life now?" "Who will be the new 'comedian' adult Ghostbusters?" and after you watch the movie you will realize that none of those questions even matter. Because TPTB didn't think they would matter, either. It's just kind of the Rise of Skywalker school of, "let's throw a dozen subplots into the air and keep everything MOVING!" and you're entertained while you're watching but as soon as it's over you realize how empty it all was. With a bunch of generally annoying kids and a bizarre suicidal/lesbian melodrama.

[IMJ]

Frozen Empire was fine - I mean... they did accomplish making a movie that felt like The Real Ghostbusters show to some extent.

Afterlife I think really pulled through by going against the trend of it's era and staying somewhat traditional. Also, it ends on a pretty emotionally impactful series of setpieces and that sort of overrides that the movie was a little slow in parts and could have used the old guys more throughout it.

As for the Flash? That movie had a lot going for it, but for every point in it's favor it had some component that negated a positive completely. Although under circumstances I have no idea who thought it would be a good idea to market that flick as the "best comic book movie ever".

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's probably best, honestly. Which isn't to say that Frozen Empire doesn't have its moments... it's just overall a big mess with nothing meaningful given to the OGs, especially Peter.

Everything I could have wondered after Afterlife about, "Will we see Oscar?" "Will we see Venkman and Dana enjoying married life now?" "Who will be the new 'comedian' adult Ghostbusters?" and after you watch the movie you will realize that none of those questions even matter. Because TPTB didn't think they would matter, either. It's just kind of the Rise of Skywalker school of, "let's throw a dozen subplots into the air and keep everything MOVING!" and you're entertained while you're watching but as soon as it's over you realize how empty it all was. With a bunch of generally annoying kids and a bizarre suicidal/lesbian melodrama.

Well that's... disappointing. Probably gonna skip that and let Afterlife be the coda in my head.

[sdp]

I watched The Flash, expected a mess but it was surprisingly good. Movie has flaws and Barry starts unlikeable but he does grow during the movie
-Gave me a final DCEU moment with Batman and WW, it was nice seeing them one last time and what could've been
-not the biggest 89 Batman fan but enjoyed a lot seeing him back
-the story redeems itself
-Man, did the DCEU really stretch the hell out of Zod

Made me want to finish watching the cw flash tv show, stopped at season 3 which apparently is when I should've stopped maybe not the best idea to continue
I like flash stories

[ZariusTwo]

Recreating the rejected 'Snyderverse' ending in A.I